ESC 2019 General Discussion Thread

[Pawhlen]

Wow. I can't believe that so much did go wrong with the voting this time.

Poland and Lithuania need to get a direct spot in the Final 2020 and the EBU should change the rules for the juries, e.g. letting them rank their own personal Top 10 only, asking/demanding the heads of delegation to check if each jury member puts his or favourite as #1, etc.

Not only rules must change, some people should resign immediate

 

[Ezio]

I don't get what the issue with the Italian televote. The only thing the struck me was that North Macedonia should have received 4 points instead of 1. But neither Denmark nor Lithuania were in their TV top 10.

Lina Hedlund's jury blunder in the second semi, if corrected, what have given a 5 point lead for Denmark over Lithuania.

 

[Pawhlen]

I don't get what the issue with the Italian televote. The only thing the struck me was that North Macedonia should have received 4 points instead of 1. But neither Denmark nor Lithuania were in their TV top 10.

Lina Hedlund's jury blunder in the second semi, if corrected, what have given a 5 point lead for Denmark over Lithuania.

http://www.rai.it/dl/docs/1558338711915Copia_di_ESC_2019_Risultati_TELEVOTO_2019_-_def.pdf

https://escxtra.com/2019/05/26/semi-final-voting-error-in-italian-televote-identified/

 

[Alaska49]

seriously the amount of errors needed for leonora to qualify are now bordering on supernatural. someone call the ghostbusters.

 

[Ana Raquel]

please don't let kan host ever again



ah and i hope they find another voting mistake and crown this man

 

[midnightsun]

This isn't the fault of a single person, it's failure on so many levels, with many people involved who didn't do their job properly. It leaves a sour aftertaste and I wonder what has also been possibly gone wrong over the past years that wasn't discovered. I can't imagine faults like this were the only one this decade. Finally the badly done work comes to light.

 

[Realest]

The Head of Delegation for Lithuania stated:

The situation is really interesting. We, as a broadcaster, have suffered moral and rating misconduct, and we may have enough to acknowledge the error.

However, the songwriter and performer could claim substantial financial compensation – when the song sounds to such a large audience, the author’s reward for playing the song twice is significantly higher than when it sounds only once

Jurij who represented Lithuania in Tel Aviv also commented:

I did everything I could, but it happened as it happened. Those who were in the finals were worthy of it, and I don’t see the point of unnecessarily hitting or depriving them of their place in the table

....

 

[hijirio]

It's just way too many errors. You had only one job. Is it a coincidence that all these errors are taking place this year? In sf1, sf2 and even in the final. I am sorry but I have to blame Kan for all this.
Letting qualify automatically next year won't solve the issue. It was Jurijus who deserved the spot, it's him and his song who earned that spot in the final, not the random person who will represent Lithuania next year.

I know it's impossible but to serve justice I'd just give Denmark's 12th placing in the final to and put back to 11th in the semi where they belong. Now that the scoreboard is fucked up all over, it's a mess already anyway.

 

[Ezio]

Give Jurijus a better song next year and an automatic place in the final. Same for Tulia from Poland.

Then let only 9 countries qualify from each semi. No big deal, the 10th qualifier won't be missed in the finals anyways.

 

[Realest]

Does anyone have the real Jury-Results from SF2 without the Mistakes from

 

[Realest]

Does anyone have the real Jury-Results from SF2 without the Mistakes from

I just used this Method from ESCXtra to calculate the real Jury-Results without the Mistakes from

These are my Results.



So probably if everything went right, wouldnt have qualified even without this Mistake in Italys Televote.

 

[Ezio]

Does anyone have the real Jury-Results from SF2 without the Mistakes from

Total accounts incl.

1st 279
2nd 244
3rd 238
4th 227
4th 227
6th 219
7th 210
8th 157
9th 97
10th 93
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11th 92
12th 87
13th 69
14th 66
15th 63
16th 47
17th 16
18th 15

 

[Realest]

I did the same with s Juryvote in Semi1:

 

[midnightsun]

Jurij answers with the rational mentality of an IT Specialist.
(Our commentator said he works in that business).
Glad I voted for him, he seems to be fair and not a sore loser.

 

[Alaska49]

I just used this Method from ESCXtra to calculate the real Jury-Results without the Mistakes from

These are my Results.



So probably if everything went right, wouldnt have qualified even without this Mistake in Italys Televote.

the method from escxtra is probably incorrect because it puts multiple people below 1 point, and like, the whole point of this exponential model is to go from 12 to 1, right? however, i calculated the correct exponential model for the semifinal (which i didn't even know how to do and looked into how to do it because EURO NERD) and while we get some differences for other countries, for jurijus/leonora purposes the result is the same. even counting italy's corrected televote, it would be 93 vs 91. everything happens correctly, evil still wins.

HOWEVER, one can reasonably say that a juror delivering its result in reverse, while still in part incompetence by the EBU and KAN for not confirming and double checking with the juror, is still mainly on the juror to blame, a televote result that doesn't correspond with reality is 100% on the EBU and KAN. why did this happen? why do some votes count and some magically don't? lithuania still has the right to feel robbed about this. (yes, i am very good at rationalizing my way into still complaining that leonora qualified, thank you.)

 

[Realest]

https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-engli...i7NC_x-s2kLWXoG26D-KxytZqSjwthTRNxj6J_5YOSnd4


Apparently some Italian voted after the Deadline for Lithuania and their Votes werent counted anymore.

 

[Alaska49]

wow, if that is true then RAI is about as incompetent as everyone else in this story lmao

 

[Realest]

 

[Alaska49]

imri being in this collage after BEING THIRD in his semifinal is another evidence that the producer draw is a demon that needs to be exorcized immediately

 

[Realest]

To be fair, he fell from 4th in the weaker Semifinal to 16th in the Average-TV in the Final. He was rather the Victim of the lack of Votingpower and the very onesided Points-Distribution where the Top10 got around 87% of all Points.