ESC 2019 General Discussion Thread

[cegs5]

It just tries to disguise the diffeences between jury and televotes scores, i.e. last year it would have made Sweden look better even if televoters ranked them second to last... average audience would never known it was at the bottom of televoting, for them it was just the 2nd of juries and 7th overall, not the second to last. Smart move.

 

[blue00eyes]

That means no

For me it's not a better system because we don't know televote winners. Any country that's left can get any amount of points.. 15, 186, 40 or whatever and it feels random. A mess actually.

 

[Pawhlen]

It just tries to disguise the diffeences between jury and televotes scores, i.e. last year it would have made Sweden look better even if televoters ranked them second to last... average audience would never known it was at the bottom of televoting, for them it was just the 2nd of juries and 7th overall, not the second to last. Smart move.

On the other hand, it would have been more humiliating for us if it would have been used last year, so those in here that really thinks this is Björkmans idea is just trolling

I guess the main reason why was shown in the end last year was probably to get the dramatic moment when they knew they wouldn´t win

 

[Pawhlen]

I didnt know everyone is sitting with a calculator opened and count how many points left
At least i wouldnt do it myself so i dont kill the intrigue for myself. I never counted points in 2016 so for me it wasnt obvious that russia cant beat Ukraine and it was very thrilling till the end
Old version: intrigue about what country will get this or that amount of poitns
New version: how many points will get named country
So its same
I think they partly try to prevent the situation when televoting winner doesnt win overall (2015 and 2016 cases)

Of course not anyone will do it. But I know at least 4-5 people that will.

Each system has some negative sides, and this new system since 2016 has that too, but still it´s the most 50/50 we can get (since every points from both sides are counted) And that makes it possible for a country to win despite not being winner in the televote.

But this new thing of showing the votes this year must be a April Fools Joke, at least I will continue to hope it is until after tomorrow

 

[Franco]

I think that the new system will mitigate the WTF moments of big gap between the juryvote and the televote, like Australia and Sweden last year. I doubt we would have the same "Ooooooh" on the live feed from the press room with the new system.
On the other hand, this new system would be better if there were multiple "zero points" from the televote that could pop up at any time.
I just hope they don't go back to the "we've done the math and the winner is ...". That was awful.

 

[Leydan]

I didnt know everyone is sitting with a calculator opened and count how many points left
At least i wouldnt do it myself so i dont kill the intrigue for myself. I never counted points in 2016 so for me it wasnt obvious that russia cant beat Ukraine and it was very thrilling till the end
Old version: intrigue about what country will get this or that amount of poitns
New version: how many points will get named country
So its same
I think they partly try to prevent the situation when televoting winner doesnt win overall (2015 and 2016 cases)

I'm not sure how you could miss the fact Ukraine had almost certainly won in 2016. You don't need to be a maths genius to have noticed Russia had a deficit of over 400 points - you could see by looking at the points, no calculator needed. No country has ever reached over 400 points. I remember at the time my mum (who doesn't care for ESC much) said he had a lot of ground to make up. I mean yeah he could have done it but it wasn't uncertain or fill of intrigue right down to the wire. It was only more interesting as Ukraine didn't win either the jury or the Televote, and was It was Russia v ukraine.

 

[Leydan]

I'm at odds with the new system tbh. Edging towards not liking it, but I want to see how it may work out. Some point out that it may help prevent a country that did well in juries get humiliated by the Televote, like Sweden last year. But it will highlight the total reverse, like Ukraine or Italy and it won't be hard to notice a big difference in the jury winners. I think it will leave the public a bit confused as to where the points are coming from and what the system is. Over all i think it's a totally unnecessary change we don't need.

 

[Pawhlen]

I'm at odds with the new system tbh. Edging towards not liking it, but I want to see how it may work out. Some point out that it may help prevent a country that did well in juries get humiliated by the Televote, like Sweden last year. But it will highlight the total reverse, like Ukraine or Italy. I think it will leave the public a bit confused as to where the points are coming from and what the system is. Over all i think it's a totally unnecessary change we don't need.

Still hoping for it to be a Aprils Fool Joke

 

[BorisBubbles]

Made the elimination table for my preshow ranking, it took way too long to make to not share, so...

Which row/column is your favourite? ;0

 

[Vektor]

The new system is definitely better. It guaranties that the suspense will be there until the last announcement, unlike with the former one. In 2017 and 2018 the race was clearly over when they announced the runner-up in the televote, so the last announcement, the winner of the televote was just a formality. Even in 2016 it was pretty obvious that the gap was too big between Ukraine and Russia. With the new voting system you can only tell that the race is over if you and/or the commentator calculates the remaining points, but that was also true about the old one.

 

[Ezio]

Call it better or worse, but how long will it last? Three years maximum. 2013, they invented the "we have done the math" that lasted until 2015. They also invented a system according to average rankings, that was abolished after the same year but they also allowed jurors to downvote songs to the bottom that unfortunately lasts until now and the running order decided by producers (aka Björkman).

2016, they invented the voting as we know it, and three years later they tweak it again for the sake of intransparency. Why really so many changes in 7 contests?

Instead of changing the voting schedules every other year, they rather should change logos, fonts, look & feel, signature ID, postcards, scoreboard (!) every year. More of the host country. Song contest feels like a warmed-up generic product lately.

 

[Realest]

they also allowed jurors to downvote songs to the bottom that unfortunately lasts until now

They invented the exponential Juryvoting to prevent this.

and three years later they tweak it again for the sake of intransparency.

The new System increased Transparency compared to the 2013-15 System.

 

[Ezio]

We are talking 2016-18 system.

 

[Ezio]

OGAE votes are rolling in and I think it is funny, that countries who got nil points last year, are doing very well: the Netherlands, Switzerland, Albania, Slovenia, Portugal, Iceland

 

[Citelis]

Italy is first on OGAE voting after 3 OGAE voted!

 

[theditz83]

Made the elimination table for my preshow ranking, it took way too long to make to not share, so...

Which row/column is your favourite? ;0

For me, it's 6th column or 7th row, although that misses out a few of my ultimate faves also...

 

[Pawhlen]

Or is the change made based on the production team, so the cameramen will know which country is next to recieve televotes?

I guess it all comes down to the argument "It´s not that nice having to be called up having recieved the least amount of televotes" and that´s pathetic if you ask me.

I highly doubt Gabriela from 2016 and Nathan Trent from 2017 got psychologial damage afterwards for example. Of course it´s not that fun to come last but it´s a competition, someone has to come last.

And if they don´t want to read out the countries, then do like they did in Stockholm 2016 when Måns and Petra announced the 11-26th in a steddy pace

 

[theditz83]

I think it will make things a bit more exciting actually but it's a subjective view really - at the end of the day, we're getting the same final result so I don't think the presentation is the end of the world. Anyone with the will could have worked out the remaining points left in the same way the last couple of years by using a calculator and deducting the public votes as they came in...

Personally, I'm more bothered about the 8 & 10 pointers being shown with 1-7... They should really revert back to the spokesperson reading out the 8, 10 and 12 since that provides more excitement. And if I'm going to be totally honest, I'd rather see the spokesperson read the votes from the public vote and for the jury votes to be given in the total format that we get at the end just now (only do that first, and then visit each country for the reveal of the public votes given by each spokesperson).

But again, this is all just my personal subjective opinion and might not be what the rest of you fans want.

 

[Citelis]

Generally people are very negative when a change come on everything! I remeber back in 2016 when the new voting system announced many people were talking for disaster and as you can see it was proven really good! Personally im not sure about the new change but maybe its not that bad afterall!

 

[DanielLuis]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10156429581812632

I still can't get over how small the venue is. They'll need to work wonders to make it look good on tv.