ESC 2018 General Discussion Thread

[Kevan1994]

Rankings based on the Total Number of Top-15 Rankings in the Televote.

-Cyprus, who got points from everyone was the only country to get placed in the Top 15 by all others.

-Austria, Australia, and France had stronger televoting support than their points indicated, each placing 6 spots higher in this table than the actual televoting points table. Sweden, similarly, moves up 5 spots.

-Serbia, who placed 12th in the televote, only places 17th in # of Top 10 placings and 19th in # of Top 15 placings. Ukraine, who placed 7th in the televote only ranks tied for 9th in # of Top 10 placings and 14th in # of Top 15 placings. This shows that both countries had televoting support that was localized to a smaller number of countries who gave them high points). Similarly, Lithuania didn't have as many high televote rankings as one might have suspected.

-Portugal, Spain, and Slovenia with ridiculously low televoting support.

 

[BernadetteCydonia]

why discussing 2018 in a 2019 subthread?

 

[LalehForWD]

why discussing 2018 in a 2019 subthread?

Yes this is confusing. I think eventually there will be a new subsection

 

[Leigh744]

Based on the 2015 voting system...

1 Israel 336 =
2 Cyprus 266 =
3 Germany 216 +1
4 Austria 211 -1
5 Czech Republic 161 +1
6 Estonia 151 +2
7 Italy 148 -2
8 Moldova 103 +2
9 France 99 +4
10 Ireland 91 +6
11 Sweden 89 -4
12 Denmark 86 -3
13 Norway 74 +2
14 Lithuania 72 -2
15 Albania 70 -4
16 Bulgaria 69 -2
17 Netherlands 51 -1
18 Serbia 36 +1
19 Ukraine 36 -2
20 Australia 32 =
21 Hungary 23 =
22 Portugal 20 +4
23 Finland 16 +2
24 UK 14 =
25 Slovenia 13 -3
26 Spain 11 -3

 

[Swedenvision]

To popavapeur, AshleyWright and midnightsun:

I still think it is a different attitude against us in ESC nowdays and nothing you say will change this for me, Benjamin himself talked about this in SVT after the contest and he could actually feel it too...

And stop ignore the reactions that was in the arena and in the press centre, it was obvious.

One of the biggest cheers in the arena when it comes to the whole voting process was when we got 21 points from televote, and that was absolutely not a reaction of shock only if we say so...
And the press center reaction was even more clear, just look at the videos.

I get that it has been much focus on Sweden in ESC the past years and I understand that some may think it is getting a bit boring, BUT that is still no reason whatsoever for this hate.
You can read the most pathetic conspiracy theorys, Sweden decides the running order, gives bribes to the juries/EBU and controlling everything in ESC etc.
And now even our artists that competes are beeing affected by this?!

As said this has gone too far and it is ridiculous.

I´m not mad of the result or something, 7th place is really good, we Swedes don´t demand to win every year.
I was hoping for a top 5 this year, but would also be happy with at least a 8th place and we managed that! We are all proud of Benjamin!

The thing that irritates me is the whole attitude against us.

 

[Himan]

To popavapeur, AshleyWright and midnightsun:

I still think it is a different attitude against us in ESC nowdays and nothing you say will change this for me, Benjamin himself talked about this in SVT after the contest and he could actually feel it too...

And stop ignore the reactions that was in the arena and in the press centre, it was obvious.

One of the biggest cheers in the arena when it comes to the whole voting process was when we got 21 points from televote, and that was absolutely not a reaction of shock only if we say so...
And the press center reaction was even more clear, just look at the videos.

I get that it has been much focus on Sweden in ESC the past years and I understand that some may think it is getting a bit boring, BUT that is still no reason whatsoever for this hate.
You can read the most pathetic conspiracy theorys, Sweden decides the running order, gives bribes to the juries/EBU and controlling everything in ESC etc.
And now even our artists that competes are beeing affected by this?!

As said this has gone too far and it is ridiculous.

I´m not mad of the result or something, 7th place is really good, we Swedes don´t demand to win every year.
I was hoping for a top 5 this year, but would also be happy with at least a 8th place and we managed that! We are all proud of Benjamin!

The thing that irritates me is the whole attitude against us.

Because we didn't liked your song. Easy and fair I guess. We thought 2nd was way to high.

 

[LalehForWD]

Hate is a strong word, but there's definitely a sense of petty-minded grudge, envy, antipathy, schadenfreude osv against Sweden in Eurovision. No question about it and it's dishonest and ignorant trying to deny it. All other Eurovision forums and social media discuss the issue openly, why not this one? The fact it is such sensitive subject at this forum is weird and suspicious. Furthermore, the sense of a political undertone in this loathing is strong and I'd say undeniable. And again, there's actually proof of a systematic structural execution of defamation against Sweden. The press manager on the official Eurovision site, Jarmo Siim used press ackreditation to blackmail press and bloggers to write anti-Swedish articles. As revealed by Tobbe Ek at Aftonbladet newspaper.

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nojesbladet/melodifestivalen/article20839813.ab

 

[anto475]

 

[Swedenvision]

Because we didn't liked your song. Easy and fair I guess. We thought 2nd was way to high.

So because you didn´t like our song give you enough reason to hate on Sweden and Benjamin the way we have seen this year? I didn´t like some songs this year either but I don´t sitting here and talk shit about that country or the artist!

Do you hear how patehtic that is for excuse?

 

[hijirio]

I lost my shite when Sweden was 2nd in jury voting, because Austria would obviously flop in televoting, and even if Cyprus won televoting as expected, Sweden could still easily win the whole thing as there was 70 points difference with Cyprus and 40 with Israel, another contender for televote.

I think the reason audience was screaming of joy when Sweden got 21 points is the same. We were so afraid they would win that it was more than we asked for, when they got 4th last

And the reason we don't want Sweden is also clear. There are many reasons tbh.

 

[midnightsun]

I thought I pointed out I clearly do not hate Sweden (I'm talking about the Sweden in Eurovision now) not envy, loathing, whatsoever. I'm a bit disappointed if that is the impression.
And as a German, thus a poor ESC history the past years, I had surely many reasons to be envious. I am not, because mostly, I don't like our songs myself and I'm always cheering for another country. :-)

I also wrote (I don't know if in this or another thread) that I admit having felt a little bit of Schadenfreude when the televote results for Sweden came in. I'm very open in admitting this, because in my opinion, 2nd with the juries was way too much and to me, it was kinda retribution. But no hate, no loathing. I hated the jury decision, not Sweden. I hated the Swedish song, but not Sweden (or Benji). I also strongly dislike Björkman, but once again, not Sweden. You can keep on participating with Sweden pop as much as you want (though I'd love to see some folk music from Sweden) and there will always be songs I like and songs I dislike and there were Swedish winners I liked and Swedish winners I disliked. I don't have any particular pattern which country I like or don't like in Eurovision. ;-)

 

[Himan]

So because you didn´t like our song give you enough reason to hate on Sweden and Benjamin the way we have seen this year? I didn´t like some songs this year either but I don´t sitting here and talk shit about that country or the artist!

Do you hear how patehtic that is for excuse?

Will you should understand that these kind of reactions only help. I'm not saying you all hate The Netherlands for some shitty reasons and it should be higher. It's just: you are from a country, you want to do better than you think it should. Like I think, my country should be fourth or fifth. Accept it and go on with life. And yes I disliked the song, because I found it to slick and without any emotion. On beforehand already it shouldn't be in my final. Sometimes you have that kind of songs, deal with it.

 

[mauve]

I thought I pointed out I clearly do not hate Sweden (I'm talking about the Sweden in Eurovision now) not envy, loathing, whatsoever. I'm a bit disappointed if that is the impression.
And as a German, thus a poor ESC history the past years, I had surely many reasons to be envious. I am not, because mostly, I don't like our songs myself and I'm always cheering for another country. :-)

I also wrote (I don't know if in this or another thread) that I admit having felt a little bit of Schadenfreude when the televote results for Sweden came in. I'm very open in admitting this, because in my opinion, 2nd with the juries was way too much and to me, it was kinda retribution. But no hate, no loathing. I hated the jury decision, not Sweden. I hated the Swedish song, but not Sweden (or Benji). I also strongly dislike Björkman, but once again, not Sweden. You can keep on participating with Sweden pop as much as you want (though I'd love to see some folk music from Sweden) and there will always be songs I like and songs I dislike and there were Swedish winners I liked and Swedish winners I disliked. I don't have any particular pattern which country I like or don't like in Eurovision. ;-)

Once again, you said everything clearly that I felt. I don't hate Sweden, when they publish a good song, I'll vote for it. I have no particular country I am fond of. I also disliked many songs of my own country in the past. Didn't even like Lena and didn't understand why she won that year. And I simply didn't like Sweden's song this year. To not like a song doesn't mean to hate the country. And just as you said, the Jury votes for Sweden were way too high, so the televotes were maybe in some eyes a kind of poetic justice.

 

[CPV4931]

To popavapeur, AshleyWright and midnightsun:

I still think it is a different attitude against us in ESC nowdays and nothing you say will change this for me, Benjamin himself talked about this in SVT after the contest and he could actually feel it too...

And stop ignore the reactions that was in the arena and in the press centre, it was obvious.

One of the biggest cheers in the arena when it comes to the whole voting process was when we got 21 points from televote, and that was absolutely not a reaction of shock only if we say so...
And the press center reaction was even more clear, just look at the videos.

I get that it has been much focus on Sweden in ESC the past years and I understand that some may think it is getting a bit boring, BUT that is still no reason whatsoever for this hate.
You can read the most pathetic conspiracy theorys, Sweden decides the running order, gives bribes to the juries/EBU and controlling everything in ESC etc.
And now even our artists that competes are beeing affected by this?!

As said this has gone too far and it is ridiculous.

I´m not mad of the result or something, 7th place is really good, we Swedes don´t demand to win every year.
I was hoping for a top 5 this year, but would also be happy with at least a 8th place and we managed that! We are all proud of Benjamin!

The thing that irritates me is the whole attitude against us.

Just my 2 cents:

I´ve been to the arena on Saturday night and also was cheering in affect, when the low televoting score for Sweden was announced.
In the aftermath maybe not a very polite way, but these are emotions you can´t really control during the voting.

Why? Definitley not, because I hate Swedens superpower in ESC in recent years.
I´ve been to Stockholm in 2016 and loved the way, how you organized ESC there (maybe the best organized ESC I´ve been to), also usually Melodifestivalen is one of my favorite NFs of the year, so I definitley wouldn´t mind to go back to Sweden for ESC.

But the feeling for me and at least most of my friends who were with me in Lisbon was, that this year Sweden did not deserve winning, because the song and the performance for me were rather weak and too "unapproachable". If you´ve sent e.g. "Shuffla", I would´ve cheered for every single point for Sweden.
My reaction might have been the same if Austria got the televoting result from Sweden, because I have a similar opinion about the Austrian song, but the reaction has nothing to do with loving/hating the country at Eurovision, it´s just about the song.

 

[Swedenvision]

To clear thinks up, I´m not angry or something becuase we didn´t won, as said I was hoping for at least a 8th place. Also I´m not angry because the low points we got from televote, although I don´t agree with it, Benjamin deserved more points.

The thing that bother me was the reaction from the arena and press center, sure you didn´t want us to win and it was a "relief" for some apparently, still that reaction is not acceptable in my opinion.

You all are also most welcome to not like our song, I don´t try to force you to like it.
But to not like the song is not reason for the hate Sweden and Benjamin has been exposed of this year, I didn´t like some songs this year but I don´t hate on them and make up conspiracy theroys etc about them...
You should respect everyone even if you don´t like the songs or their success.

With that said I´m not saying you here did that, but look at Wiwibloggs or other forums dedicated to ESC, the hate against has goone too far.

Although this forum is not completely innocent either to be honest.

 

[lavieenrose]

So because you didn´t like our song give you enough reason to hate on Sweden and Benjamin the way we have seen this year? I didn´t like some songs this year either but I don´t sitting here and talk shit about that country or the artist!

Do you hear how patehtic that is for excuse?

cool

Well, none of the so called favorites that had their rehearsal today have impressed, rather the opposite.

It is interesting that the stageing can be such a vital component.

Right now it looks good for countries that already had their expensive and impressing stageing done ages ago...

Well, the whole performance was very childish and amateur.:?

Sweden had an expensive, stylish and impressive stage peromance, simply more professional.

As so many times before the juires look at the whole package, and that is why Sweden was 2nd to juries.

 

[Swedenvision]

cool

Well how good of you that find that, 12 points to you...

I stand behind that comments 100%, and also that is not any hate comments to the actual artists, only staging that didn´t impress me.

I still think we had the most modern and stylish performance this year but in the end Cyprus was my favoruite for the win!

Nice try!

 

[mauve]

Well how good of you that find that, 12 points to you...

I stand behind that comments 100%, and also that is not any hate comments to the actual artists, only staging that didn´t impress me.

I still think we had the most modern and stylish performance this year but in the end Cyprus was my favoruite for the win!

Nice try!

Then other members here haven't done any hate comments either.

 

[Swedenvision]

Then other members here haven't done any hate comments either.

Again I have not pointed out someone here specifically, I have just said that in general on ESC sites it has been way too much hate towards Sweden and Benjamin, and those comments are more personal attacks on Benjamin and pathetic accusations and conspiracy towards Sweden in Eurovison.

And please stop twist my words.

 

[lolita]

LMAO, it has been a week almost, you are so crazy with all these theories, both of sides! Chill out, people, we have to look forward for next year now, and many great songs. I don't really see any valid point here, only wasting your precious time, but maybe some people from here actually have a lot of spare time for conspiracies.