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Deltage

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I'll try to comment a little more on the final.

First of all of course I liked Azerbaijan and I thought Safura's performance was perfect. But I actually thought that the choreography (as well as performing 1st) may have influenced the result. The choreography with only one dancer and the running thing was the only element that I didn't love about her performance, and I saw Drip Drop with a totally different choreography and more dancers performed somewhere which was much better in my opinion. And I didn't think about that before, but the song needs a sort of professional listening. Mainstream audience might have just dismissed it as just another ballad and not noticed its differences from those.

Germany - I have to say that I don't like the song and it annoys me and I don't see anything special about it either. But still I don't really oppose its win because the songs I like have never won ESC and at least this year I can see why it appealed to people (and it's better than last years' winner in my opinion). Besides it can be good for ESC if a new mainstream pop song wins and a Big 4 country hosts it.

Moldova - a good performance but to be honest if they're going with a house track they should make it clear by not dressing like an ESC schlager act. One of my favorites but unlike Azerbaijan I didn't really think it could finish very high.

Belgium - the performance stood out although it reminded me lots of similar songs that I've heard before. But I sort of liked it because it didn't sound like a typical ESC song at all.

France - Definitely the most out-of-place entry in ESC this year (in a good way). They had too much butt-shaking in their choreography though. Still, really refreshing, especially from France.

Greece - I don't like the text/vocal part that much but the electronic elements and the "breakdown" are really interesting. Nice to see that Greece can also succeed with a song that has more of their culture and language than a lyra(?)-inspired melody (although I tend to like those songs better).

Turkey - it seems that they changed the lighting as it wasn't so annoying anymore. Otherwise a great performance like in the semi. I guess a nu-metal track taking 2nd place in ESC is some sort of a milestone.

Armenia - too much squeezed into one performance. I liked it more in the music video, although the tree growing was an interesting idea (better than Belarus' butterfly wings. I think if they had opened slower it would have looked more realistic, LOL).

UK - as I said before, having an elaborate stage show just made it more obvious that the song itself was really not special or original.

Georgia - I felt that the choreography didn't really match the song, although it was not bad and it's definitely an interesting concept.

Portugal - great performance and in my opinion the best ordinary ballad (therefore excluding Drip Drop) this year. For once a ballad that was actually sung and didn't feel like a screaming contest (unlike Israel, although sometimes he sounded good too).

Denmark - unlike Germany, I have no idea why did this... song get that high position. It basically screamed "unoriginal". I guess the same jury members who voted for the old-fashioned Swedish etc. entries (last year's Finland was different, so it doesn't count) last few years helped it.

Russia and Serbia - basically no comment. I can believe that there are people who like those songs, but it still looks too much like diaspora/neighbor voting.

Albania - our main commentator kept comparing it to a Britney Spears song and she looked like Kylie Minogue or Madonna in my opinion. Forgettable I guess.

Romania - I'm not sure if it's worth that high place, but at least it has a thought-out stage performance and I guess it's catchy enough. I think the lyrics overused the "fight-night" rhyming though.

I'm too tired to write anything about other songs, LOL. But I really liked all the interval acts (the second semi was definitely my favorite ever). Madcon was a surprise, although I don't exactly like them, and it was interesting to see some cameos during the different country clips (Detlef "D!" Soost, a German choreographer, was the lead dancer in the Hamburg (I think it was) clip and I think I also spotted Ukraine's Verka from few years back). And for once Estonia had a decent co-commentator, Sven Lõhmus (who took part of ESC last year) since he's my favorite Estonian pop music producer and actually could say something professional about the songs (to the fact that he quoted Max Martin, LOL). I wonder why hasn't he been in the national jury. I also liked the fact that apart from Germany, other top entries were really close in points.
 

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Eurovision gets worse every year (especially its quality). I do not feel anymore excited about it, and this year I have even forgotten to watch the first semi-final. xshrug
Last year I had been fairly disappointed whilst watching the results, this year the same happened to me. I do not think Germany was that outstanding, it is simply a plain pop song.
Moreover, the voting of certain countries seemed very strange. Forsooth I have some doubt about the impartiality and fairness of the juries.

Everything seemed so cheap and artificial to me, the show was full of clichés, pat questions and answers. xshrug
 

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France deserved much more imo. That song had a wild choreography and it could have been easily a powerful summer hit this year. I think it will be popular in the clubs around Europe, much more than some countries that ended in top10.
 

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Germany - I'm sorry but I really don't like this song, and I won't like anymore,too. It's annoying and Imo, nothing is special with this song. An ordinary pop song. I never wanted that song to be winner.
Azerbaijan - must have got a better place. It was a really good song, it deserved it. But I see that ex-soviets didn't vote for them so much.
Turkey - It was millions and millions time better than the semi-final. I liked it VERY much. I'm extremely happy with this 2nd place but Manga deserved to be winners!


By the way, it's just interesting.
Last year, I guess, Turkey got 12 points from 7 countries but only got the 4th place.
This year we got 12 points only from 3 countries but we got 2nd place.
=D
It was a good contest for us.
Thanks all the countries!
See you next year =D
 

msamkl

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CiprianZisu said:
i dont see any vocal talent..
and she looks like an idiot moving on stage
worst winner of eurovision in the 23 years ive been alive..
turkey and romania can hold their heads up high
.. the true winners of eurovision

@"CiprianZisu" I totally agree with you. Germany didn't deserve to be 1st, Lena's voice and her song is mediocre instead of Ukraine's song and performance who was outstanding. It's a scandal that Turkey came 2nd, should have won the competition. Although I'm Greek, I have to admit that Turkey was the best participant.Germany didn't even deserve to be in Top10. What a shame!!!
 

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Bonnie said:
Germany - I'm sorry but I really don't like this song, and I won't like anymore,too. It's annoying and Imo, nothing is special with this song. An ordinary pop song. I never wanted that song to be winner.
Azerbaijan - must have got a better place. It was a really good song, it deserved it. But I see that ex-soviets didn't vote for them so much.
Turkey - It was millions and millions time better than the semi-final. I liked it VERY much. I'm extremely happy with this 2nd place but Manga deserved to be winners!


Totally agree!!! Congratulations to Turkey and Manga from Greece. Germany shouldn't have even be in Top10, you should be 1st. I can certainly "smell a rat" here...Perhaps EBU should make an investigation...
 

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I'm glad Georgia made the top 10 but they should've scored higher anyway!
And France would've been much higher if not the juries.

I'm glad for Germany and next year I'll be there in Germany! Hamburg anybody?
Turkey was great and Azerbaijan was really bad (we all laughed at it here)

I voted for France
 

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I can certainly "smell a rat" here...Perhaps EBU should make an investigation...

Wow, how insulting to Lena and the thousands of fans that voted for her...
 

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Yeah, I also think that the juries killed France. :? I bet France was top10 with the televote.
 

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You know Germany (ok, and France) was actually the only song that brought my i-hate-eurovision friends' attention.

So she really deserved it.
 

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^ Great point. The more fans we can bring to the contest the better.
 

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did somebody else beside me think at first that intruder at Spanish performance was Remi Gaillard? :mrgreen:

Congratz Germany, absolutely deserved (although i didn't expect such a distance from 2nd!)
 

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msamkl said:
CiprianZisu said:
i dont see any vocal talent..
and she looks like an idiot moving on stage
worst winner of eurovision in the 23 years ive been alive..
turkey and romania can hold their heads up high
.. the true winners of eurovision

@"CiprianZisu" I totally agree with you. Germany didn't deserve to be 1st, Lena's voice and her song is mediocre instead of Ukraine's song and performance who was outstanding. It's a scandal that Turkey came 2nd, should have won the competition. Although I'm Greek, I have to admit that Turkey was the best participant.Germany didn't even deserve to be in Top10. What a shame!!!


It's maybe related with some countries are never likely to give any point to us.

Such as: Portugal, Iceland, Russia, Slovakia, Latvia, Malta, Israel, Cyprus, Poland, Armenia and Greece!

Some of these only once awarded us with a couple of points (when Sertab won).
But except for that we only receive a great nil point. No matter how the song representing us sounds like .

A great THANK to this countries.

By the way. I really don't understand what it means altough I am greek we don't consider you as an enemy. You are our neigbour but you can make up such sentences. It is... mmm. Never mind.

Manga deserved to be the winner. Unfortunately we are unlikely to receive points from some countries anytime. I hope it changes.

Thank you!
 

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ixic said:
did somebody else beside me think at first that intruder at Spanish performance was Remi Gaillard? :mrgreen:
No, he would definitely invent something more intelligent than just breaking into scene. He would wear a clown costume and dance with the rest of circus or something like that :]
 

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Well, once again the eurovision song contest has proven that it's not a SONG contest but a favouritism contest. Next time, just invite the countries which have good neighbouring countries and leave out the countries who send someone who really can sing, like Belgium, Iceland and Ireland. It's really pathetic
 

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belgium1 said:
Well, once again the eurovision song contest has proven that it's not a SONG contest but a favouritism contest. Next time, just invite the countries which have good neighbouring countries and leave out the countries who send someone who really can sing, like Belgium, Iceland and Ireland. It's really pathetic


we can't complain é Belgium1 :)
We won the first 1 and were 6th in final. Ok when you are a whole time second you hope more but ok
 

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Misi said:
Turkey was great and Azerbaijan was really bad (we all laughed at it here)

You do realize that just because you don't like a song or a performance doesn't make it bad? She had a very good performance last night (as did almost everyone in my opinion).

darrenmania said:
It's maybe related with some countries are never likely to give any point to us.

Such as: Portugal, Iceland, Russia, Slovakia, Latvia, Malta, Israel, Cyprus, Poland, Armenia and Greece!

Some of these only once awarded us with a couple of points (when Sertab won).
But except for that we only receive a great nil point. No matter how the song representing us sounds like .

A great THANK to this countries.

By the way. I really don't understand what it means altough I am greek we don't consider you as an enemy. You are our neigbour but you can make up such sentences. It is... mmm. Never mind.

Manga deserved to be the winner. Unfortunately we are unlikely to receive points from some countries anytime. I hope it changes.

Thank you!

There's this situation with other countries as well. I tend to like recent Greek entries but it would be pointless for me to vote for them since Estonia never gives points to Greece (we gave Kalomoira only 1 point in 2008, when she had a modern pop song and was one of the favorites).
 
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