Contact us

Creating new contests on the forum

daniels1000

Well-known member
Joined
March 29, 2012
Posts
18,157
Location
Munich
Re: Creating new contest on the forum

3) Why to ban National Final songs? I really would like to have them available here. :D
4) Ok. Still we need to decide what is limit when we start to have SF. I suggest when it is 27+ songs in final. Then we can have 17 or more songs in SF (10 qualify) and 10 best from last edition directly in the final. When it gets even more countries (32+) we can have 2 SFs with only winner from last edition directly qualifying for the final. ;)
5) It is ok to be voluntary so that every jury can decide about it. ;)

I think that songs from National Finals should be allowed.

Only songs that have participated in Eurovision should be banned.And covers also,imo.
 

Hele.

Well-known member
Joined
April 3, 2011
Posts
11,370
Re: Creating new contest on the forum

6) Winner should decide city, arena and hosts but mods should organize contest if you ask me. ;) Also, I doubt every winner (and even runner up) will be able to organize whole the contest. It is big job. ;)
 

AdelAdel

Well-known member
Joined
May 15, 2011
Posts
15,395
Location
Poland
Re: Creating new contest on the forum

And you already forgot what doctormalisimo wrote? No FSC ripoff! Can there be one contest where I would be able to listen to older songs?
 

doctormalisimo

Well-known member
Joined
March 16, 2011
Posts
14,671
Location
Ireland/Scotland
Re: Creating new contest on the forum

Maybe each edition could have a theme year? Like the first edition songs from 2008 only, 2nd edition songs from 1985 only, 3rd edition songs from 1996 only etc...
 

Trece

Han Hazretleri
Staff member
Joined
March 12, 2012
Posts
23,033
Re: Creating new contest on the forum

4) Ok. Still we need to decide what is limit when we start to have SF. I suggest when it is 27+ songs in final. Then we can have 17 or more songs in SF (10 qualify) and 10 best from last edition directly in the final. When it gets even more countries (32+) we can have 2 SFs with only winner from last edition directly qualifying for the final.
I think that it is necessary to decide when it will happen. Advance is better not to do so.

Basically the only thing which i find weird about these suggestions is the minimum number of countries being at 20. I find it generally to be unneeded as both nsc and fsc started with less than that (9 and 18)
Yes, all the same you're right. ESC started too (I think) from 7 countries.
 

SpZ

Well-known member
Joined
October 10, 2009
Posts
4,018
Location
In your head
Re: Creating new contest on the forum

What i would suggest to give the song contest more variety and flavour and stop it from turning into fsc 2 where all the songs highly gravitate towards middle of the road pop is to have some kind of semi strict entry variety rules. For example that a country has to send at least every x editions one y style song (like 1 non pop song at least every 5 editions). That would be really hard to follow though as defining song styles is a big mess. Easier would be to rule for example that you have to have at least 1 group/band artist every 5 editions. The same way you could for example insert quota for old songs. I do not support the strict everyone has to send x type song on specific edition rules really though.

Is that kind of rule really needed? No. Will it make the contest more varied and gives it some distinct rules from both fsc and nsc (which is imo needed)? Yes.
 

Trece

Han Hazretleri
Staff member
Joined
March 12, 2012
Posts
23,033
Re: Creating new contest on the forum

Listen people, I will only take part in this if we'll be able to send songs from the 70s, 80s, and 90s. I won't agree to a 21st century rule ever!

ANY song is ANY. 1901 or 2006 or 1986. As you want
 

doctormalisimo

Well-known member
Joined
March 16, 2011
Posts
14,671
Location
Ireland/Scotland
Re: Creating new contest on the forum

6) Winner should decide city, arena and hosts but mods should organize contest if you ask me. Also, I doubt every winner (and even runner up) will be able to organize whole the contest. It is big job.
You'd be surprised. In NSC, most winners host, even those who cant make nice graphics at all (like me :D). In fact, in my whole time in NSC, the lowest position Ive seen someone get the right to host from is 4th...
 

AdelAdel

Well-known member
Joined
May 15, 2011
Posts
15,395
Location
Poland
Re: Creating new contest on the forum

ANY song is ANY. 1901 or 2006 or 1986. As you want

I know that you approve it. I was just commenting on Hele's and daniels's comment about songs being only from 21st century, which I won't agree to.
 

daniels1000

Well-known member
Joined
March 29, 2012
Posts
18,157
Location
Munich
Re: Creating new contest on the forum

6) Winner should decide city, arena and hosts but mods should organize contest if you ask me. ;) Also, I doubt every winner (and even runner up) will be able to organize whole the contest. It is big job. ;)

Great Hele ! Finally someone who agree about this with me ! xbow xlove
 

LakZaNokte

Well-known member
Joined
March 8, 2011
Posts
8,884
Re: Creating new contest on the forum

And I still suggest banning the newest songs (10s, at least). I really hope people will send older stuff, especially from the 80s and 90s
tbh, I don't see the need for that rule. even without it, I believe people will send some of their old(er) huge hits, especially if there's nothing special from new releases. xshrug
 

AdelAdel

Well-known member
Joined
May 15, 2011
Posts
15,395
Location
Poland
Re: Creating new contest on the forum

tbh, I don't see the need for that rule. even without it, I believe people will send some of their old(er) huge hits, especially if there's nothing special from new releases. xshrug

I really hope so Lak, I really hope so...
 

Yoni

Well-known member
Joined
February 10, 2012
Posts
6,266
Location
ישראל || Lach, Cherniya
Re: Creating new contest on the forum

You'd be surprised. In NSC, most winners host, even those who cant make nice graphics at all (like me :D). In fact, in my whole time in NSC, the lowest position Ive seen someone get the right to host from is 4th...

Didn't Rumia get 6th and host?
or am i just confused :lol:
 

No Name

Active member
Joined
October 1, 2009
Posts
3,818
Re: Creating new contest on the forum

I agree with the few rules Trece lined up so far.

The only real core criteria for me is a liberal, 100% non-restrictive set of rules in terms of eligible songs for participation and that mods won't be able to take advantage of their position (making decisions single-handedly or two-handedly should never be an option). Also, community should be the key-word and everyone should have a say in every suggestion up for debate.
 

daniels1000

Well-known member
Joined
March 29, 2012
Posts
18,157
Location
Munich
Re: Creating new contest on the forum

I know that you approve it. I was just commenting on Hele's and daniels's comment about songs being only from 21st century, which I won't agree to.

I didn't say that . xshrug

Imo,any song from any time can participate,except songs that have participated in Eurovision.
 

DominikS

Active member
Joined
March 1, 2010
Posts
1,042
Location
UK/Poland
Re: Creating new contest on the forum

The Contest

1. The purpose of this Contest is to ... (?)



Participation

1. Any independent country is allowed to participate, regions & territories are not allowed to enter the contest separately.

2. In order to be part of a jury the Forumvision/Worldvision Player either doesn't have to reside or have the citizenship of the country they would like to represent, but once has decided to join a particular jury, may not change juries for a period of 3 contests.

3. In order to join the Forumvision/Worldvision game, new members will need to contact the recruiter who will then get in touch with the Head of Jury for the country the member would like to join.

4. There is no maximum for members per jury, the minimum is one member.

5. It is possible to start a new Jury each month if the jury the player would like to join has not been created yet.

6. A minimum of 11 countries is necessary to start an edition. If not enough juries are going to be available at the first of the month, that edition will be cancelled.

7. If a jury has 3 or more members a Head of Jury needs to be elected by the jury members. That individual is responsible to keep the list of jury members up to date, forward the entry selected to the Head of FSC as well as the votes once they have been collected and counted. It is up to each jury to elect the Head, FSC Management will only interfere if the jury is unable to come up with a decision on their own.

8. There is no maximum number of countries that can participate in a single edition of Forumvision/Worldvision.

[Rule 9 on the Rest of the World Jury has been removed]


Entries

1. Each jury will decide on their entry. The Forumvision/Worldvision Management will not get involved with the selection process and it is up to the Head of Jury to submit the entry in a timely manner.

1.a. Juries have the option to decide their entry through a public National Final, that is open to all Forumvision/Worldvision contestants. The National Final may be in any format, but must be in the public Forumvision/Worldvision forum.

2. Songs submitted to the contest may be from any time period. This rule does not apply to any spin-off competitions. A song can only be entered once into the competition.

3. The Forumvision/Worldvision Management will have the Final say on if a song is eligible to enter or not. Arguments, complaints are not acceptable after a Final decision was made.

4. Artist Rules
a. Singers must have the citizenship, spent the majority of their life or made their career in the country they are representing.
b. Duos need to have at least one singer who is from the country they are representing (please see rules under “a”).
c. Foreign “featured” singers are allowed.
d. Bands need to be from the country they are representing. The maximum of band members not from the country they are representing is 2. (please see rules under “a”) however at least half of the band needs to be from the representing country.

5. Covers are allowed (only one version of a song may be entered in the contest. A cover of a song that has been entered to the contest in the past may not be entered.), Instrumentals are allowed. Samples (songs which are new but based on certain sounds from a previous song.) are allowed

6. Songs that take part in following Contests are not eligible to enter: Eurovision Song Contest, Junior Eurovision Song Contest, Asiavision Song Contest. This rule also applies to songs that take part in National Selections/Finals for any of these contests.

7. The songs or artists are allowed to be revealed by the juries until all entries have officially been announced by the show organiser.

8. The Head of Juries need to submit their songs before the given deadline. Failure to do so will result in disqualification for that month.

9. Every jury can submit a backup song in case the first choice breaks the FSC rules. In case a song will be disqualified, the backup song will automatically replace that entry. If a jury decides not to send a backup song and their entry is disqualified, they will have to sit out that edition.



Voting

1. The first 7(?) days after announcing the songs is the “Evaluation period”. All Members will have the opportunity to listen and (if required) report any entries that breaches the rules of Forumvision/Worldvision. Those members are required to contact Forumvision/Worldvision Management via PM who will then replace that entry with the backup song.
No jury is allowed to vote during the “Evaluation period”. Any votes received within that period will not be counted and the Head of Jury will have to submit them again.

1. The Voting is in Eurovision Song Contest Style. The Top Ten entries of each jury will be awarded the following points: 12, 10, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
This rule only applies to the final jury vote. It is up to the jury to internally decide on a voting system. After the Final results have been announced every jury MUST reveal how the members of their jury voted.

2. Juries cannot vote for their own entry.

3. The Head of the Jury will forward the votes to the show organiser once the votes from all jury members have been collected and added up.

4. If a single member of a jury fails to vote it is the Head of Jury's responsibility to inform FSC Management. It is required to report a member if they do not vote for two consecutive editions. FSC Management will review and decide if that member should be removed from the jury. Once a member was deleted due to inactivity they need to get approval to re-enter again. (?)

5. If no votes were received from a Jury they will receive a 20 Point penalty and the Head of Jury will be demoted to regular member and a new Head shall be elected.(?)

6. Failure for a jury to vote prior to the voting deadline will add a warning to the country's account. A second warning will result in a ban from the contest for one month. That country will be able to rejoin the contest once they sit out for one edition. Warnings will expire after 1 year.(?)



Results

1. The show organiser will add up all the votes received from the juries and will reveal them on the esctodayforum board on a monthly basis.

2. The entry with the most points will win Forumvision/Worldvision.

3. In case of a tie for any position. If two or more countries end up receiving the same amount of points the country who obtained points from the highest number of countries shall be given priority. If the tying songs have received votes from the same number of countries, the highest number of 12-point scores shall be decisive. If the winner still cannot be determined by this procedure, the number of times ten points have been awarded shall be the deciding factor. If necessary, this method shall continue until account has been taken of the number of times one point has been awarded.



Miscellaneous

1. It is unacceptable to call out members or juries in public questioning their song selection or votes. Nobody wants to be called like that especially considering that in most cases those accusations turn out to be untrue. Any concerns need to be addressed in private. Please contact one of the FSC Mods.


I hope the FSC mods won't mind - I've taken the FSC rules and changed them where necessary. Hopefully this will help organise the rules of the contest a bit more. The text in bold is text that has been changed, and a question mark '(?)' next to a point is where I wasn't sure what our rule should be.
 

Trece

Han Hazretleri
Staff member
Joined
March 12, 2012
Posts
23,033
Re: Creating new contest on the forum

Maybe each edition could have a theme year? Like the first edition songs from 2008 only, 2nd edition songs from 1985 only, 3rd edition songs from 1996 only etc...

I do not like. I do not want to bother about finding songs in a particular year. It should be a song that I like. This is even more to add more work on validation of songs. imo
 

DominikS

Active member
Joined
March 1, 2010
Posts
1,042
Location
UK/Poland
Re: Creating new contest on the forum

As for the no-national-final-songs-rule, it's for the same reason as no ESC songs: it's simply boring. People will send NF songs that are popular with everyone, and most people will know. I think the purpose of an online song contest is to discover new music, after all :)
 

Trece

Han Hazretleri
Staff member
Joined
March 12, 2012
Posts
23,033
Re: Creating new contest on the forum

The only real core criteria for me is a liberal, 100% non-restrictive set of rules in terms of eligible songs for participation and that mods won't be able to take advantage of their position (making decisions single-handedly or two-handedly should never be an option). Also, community should be the key-word and everyone should have a say in every suggestion up for debate.

THIS a basis for creating this contest
 
Top Bottom