Cheating in Eurovision voting
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imo Glorious is complete new song compare this
That's so true. Cascada at least tried to make it sound a bit different (and worse) than Euphoria, but Only Teardrops sounds almost exactly the same SOOC
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I wonder how they didn't notice that since 2009 you give us betwen 6 and 10 points every year and we give you the same. They would open a topic about that to
love it
RainyWoods
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Re: Proof that Azerbaijan cheats in Eurovision voting
Except I didn't accuse. I basically said theres something fishy about it.. and I made the point each time I mentioned it that I had no proof. The panorama team that went to Azerbaijan last year had absolutely loads of proof though of stuff going on there that wasn't very nice. video footage, interviews with people that have fled the country etc. Do you blame me for questioning when so much evidence has been put in front of my eyes? It's not an attack on it's people i'm making. It's an attack on the politics of the country and the way not very nice things are happening in the contest.
You could always say "Who cares?"... Who cares the nasty dictator hurting his people? Have they done anything about it? No? Then who cares?
^Tis an extreme comparison to a music contest but I think it gets my point across. If people used that logic then nothing would ever be done about things that are not right/fair.
True. I can't argue with that.
Not true at all. I'm not desperate to pin anything on anyone. I'm only saying what I found suspicious (pointed out I had no proof of it). Others pointed out they found the same thing suspicious. I don't believe I ever said once Azerbaijan were buying votes? Others have said that, not me.
Ideally i'd have it so that there was no advertising, so that it was just a competition of music. The contest is obviously a lot more than just about music though now.. it's about who promotes their song the most. As you saw last night, artists names pretty much seem to mean nothing. Bonnie and Cascada right near the bottom.
Indeed I am still here, on a discussion forum about a contest I enjoy watching. I'm not dictating anything, i'm giving opinions much like you are giving me opinions back.
I use iTunes and youtube to find music. Eurovision music probably makes up about 10% of what I listen to.
Yes poor Malta. Poor San Marino, poor Bulgaria, poor Israel, poor Albania, poor France etc etc.
Yes the majority enjoys ballads about peace from Sweden it would seem. I probably shall move on.. and just keep a close eye out for any gems I spot from the contest.
Same here. I don't care what other people think of things, i'll form my own opinions.
I just think Azerbaijan send very average entries each year. The production value is high always (not necessarily a good thing, quite the opposite usually in my opinion) and the staging is always polished. Azerbaijan placing high each year is just proof that throwing money at something will get you success. People like the songs, then great. I don't even dislike any of their songs apart from that "Drip Drop" one. And yes, indeed I could go on and on and on and on and on about how I wish a country like Azerbaijan would be an example to other countries and create something at home, with a bit of heart to it. We are never going to agree. You are obviously delighted with the direction this contest is heading.. whereas I am not.
I don't view you as a ****(?) but you do like to drive home your opinions strongly. I hope i've pretty much answered back to everything you wrote to me there?
I don't think I really needed to give anything new.. because I had a point in the first place. You are basically trying to tell me "So what?" to some of the points I made. Of course it's not wise to accuse people of anything without evidence which i've never done anyway. I've just stated as many others have that things are fishy.
Except I didn't accuse. I basically said theres something fishy about it.. and I made the point each time I mentioned it that I had no proof. The panorama team that went to Azerbaijan last year had absolutely loads of proof though of stuff going on there that wasn't very nice. video footage, interviews with people that have fled the country etc. Do you blame me for questioning when so much evidence has been put in front of my eyes? It's not an attack on it's people i'm making. It's an attack on the politics of the country and the way not very nice things are happening in the contest.
You could always say "Who cares?"... Who cares the nasty dictator hurting his people? Have they done anything about it? No? Then who cares?
^Tis an extreme comparison to a music contest but I think it gets my point across. If people used that logic then nothing would ever be done about things that are not right/fair.
True. I can't argue with that.
You're just desperate to pin anything on Azerbaijan. All you have is random speculation without a s
It doesn't matter that the accusation you in no way are capable of proving has zero actual impact on the contest, you'll harp on this minute point 'til it does damage, any kind of damage, on Azerbaijan's image.
Not true at all. I'm not desperate to pin anything on anyone. I'm only saying what I found suspicious (pointed out I had no proof of it). Others pointed out they found the same thing suspicious. I don't believe I ever said once Azerbaijan were buying votes? Others have said that, not me.
Ideally i'd have it so that there was no advertising, so that it was just a competition of music. The contest is obviously a lot more than just about music though now.. it's about who promotes their song the most. As you saw last night, artists names pretty much seem to mean nothing. Bonnie and Cascada right near the bottom.
Indeed I am still here, on a discussion forum about a contest I enjoy watching. I'm not dictating anything, i'm giving opinions much like you are giving me opinions back.
I use iTunes and youtube to find music. Eurovision music probably makes up about 10% of what I listen to.
Yes poor Malta. Poor San Marino, poor Bulgaria, poor Israel, poor Albania, poor France etc etc.
Yes the majority enjoys ballads about peace from Sweden it would seem. I probably shall move on.. and just keep a close eye out for any gems I spot from the contest.
Same here. I don't care what other people think of things, i'll form my own opinions.
I just think Azerbaijan send very average entries each year. The production value is high always (not necessarily a good thing, quite the opposite usually in my opinion) and the staging is always polished. Azerbaijan placing high each year is just proof that throwing money at something will get you success. People like the songs, then great. I don't even dislike any of their songs apart from that "Drip Drop" one. And yes, indeed I could go on and on and on and on and on about how I wish a country like Azerbaijan would be an example to other countries and create something at home, with a bit of heart to it. We are never going to agree. You are obviously delighted with the direction this contest is heading.. whereas I am not.
I don't view you as a ****(?) but you do like to drive home your opinions strongly. I hope i've pretty much answered back to everything you wrote to me there?
I don't think I really needed to give anything new.. because I had a point in the first place. You are basically trying to tell me "So what?" to some of the points I made. Of course it's not wise to accuse people of anything without evidence which i've never done anyway. I've just stated as many others have that things are fishy.
There is a Lithuanian diaspora in UK and Ireland (basically those two are where the Baltic diaspora is situated the most).why no one opened thread about random love fromSomethingNothing?
And their qualification is not cheating.
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There is a Lithuanian diaspora in UK and Ireland (basically those two are where the Baltic diaspora is situated the most).
lol i am just kidding
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It has been discussed that the victory for Denmark, not this one, but the one in the 1960's (1968 I believe) was given by Norway, since Norway changed the votes during the voting procedure. I didn't made that up!
Okay, good!!lol i am just kidding
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i think this year many countries changed their votes during the voting, but it was called "troubles" and "technical problems"
It was 1963, not 1968. I know wikipedia is not very realiable, but there is something to this about the 1963 contest so here you go: Eurovision Song Contest 1963 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediai think this year many countries changed their votes during the voting, but it was called "troubles" and "technical problems"
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what are they talking about anyway?2
seriously, i can't tell
Go to page 1, and disregard other pages.
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i mean 2013
I know what you meant, but I was talking about the scandal in 1963, since the topic says "Cheating in Eurovision".
Emelie won this fair and square. The favouritism is a different thing.
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The hype around Denmark was just annoying and completely ridiculous.
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because not a single winning song has been accused of plagiarism, ever...
ParadiseES
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Well, first of all, I'm not gonna talk if Azerbaijan's places this year and the previous ones were deserved or not. Everyone will have his own opinion. Just it's true that Azerbaijan always tried hard, we can't deny that
But please, no more victimism. This is not a western conspiracy to the East (nobody ever talked about Russia, Ukraine or Georgia cheating), neither to Azerbaijan. If somebody opened this thread is because there have been news about Azerbaijan cheating in some countries' votes and this is nothing new. So it's not because everyone is jelous, it's because people are talking about this.
People can't deny that some things smell dirty when it comes to some votings. Still, there are no proofs to accuse Azerbaijan or anyone else, but we DO have reasons for, at least, investigate. EBU must investigate to know if those accusations are true or not.
To be honest, I don't know if there's been cheating or not, but this just doesn't look good. Especially the points from Malta. Yeah, I know Azerbaijan has been strong for all these years, promotions, whatever.... I can understand Malta can give the 12 once or twice, but.... THE LAST FOUR YEARS??? And also with some points in return for Malta from Azerbaijan.... Oh please, we're not dumb. And don't compare this to UK-Lithuania, Romania-Moldova or whatever. Malta and Azerbaijan are not even close geographically and don't share diaspora.
Can't say the same about the rest of the accusations, but the Malta-Azerbaijan bloc is clear for me.
But please, no more victimism. This is not a western conspiracy to the East (nobody ever talked about Russia, Ukraine or Georgia cheating), neither to Azerbaijan. If somebody opened this thread is because there have been news about Azerbaijan cheating in some countries' votes and this is nothing new. So it's not because everyone is jelous, it's because people are talking about this.
People can't deny that some things smell dirty when it comes to some votings. Still, there are no proofs to accuse Azerbaijan or anyone else, but we DO have reasons for, at least, investigate. EBU must investigate to know if those accusations are true or not.
To be honest, I don't know if there's been cheating or not, but this just doesn't look good. Especially the points from Malta. Yeah, I know Azerbaijan has been strong for all these years, promotions, whatever.... I can understand Malta can give the 12 once or twice, but.... THE LAST FOUR YEARS??? And also with some points in return for Malta from Azerbaijan.... Oh please, we're not dumb. And don't compare this to UK-Lithuania, Romania-Moldova or whatever. Malta and Azerbaijan are not even close geographically and don't share diaspora.
Can't say the same about the rest of the accusations, but the Malta-Azerbaijan bloc is clear for me.
RainyWoods
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Well, first of all, I'm not gonna talk if Azerbaijan's places this year and the previous ones were deserved or not. Everyone will have his own opinion. Just it's true that Azerbaijan always tried hard, we can't deny that
But please, no more victimism. This is not a western conspiracy to the East (nobody ever talked about Russia, Ukraine or Georgia cheating), neither to Azerbaijan. If somebody opened this thread is because there have been news about Azerbaijan cheating in some countries' votes and this is nothing new. So it's not because everyone is jelous, it's because people are talking about this.
People can't deny that some things smell dirty when it comes to some votings. Still, there are no proofs to accuse Azerbaijan or anyone else, but we DO have reasons for, at least, investigate. EBU must investigate to know if those accusations are true or not.
To be honest, I don't know if there's been cheating or not, but this just doesn't look good. Especially the points from Malta. Yeah, I know Azerbaijan has been strong for all these years, promotions, whatever.... I can understand Malta can give the 12 once or twice, but.... THE LAST FOUR YEARS??? And also with some points in return for Malta from Azerbaijan.... Oh please, we're not dumb. And don't compare this to UK-Lithuania, Romania-Moldova or whatever. Malta and Azerbaijan are not even close geographically and don't share diaspora.
Can't say the same about the rest of the accusations, but the Malta-Azerbaijan bloc is clear for me.
You are the voice of reason. Well said
GermanBango
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Well, first of all, I'm not gonna talk if Azerbaijan's places this year and the previous ones were deserved or not. Everyone will have his own opinion. Just it's true that Azerbaijan always tried hard, we can't deny that
But please, no more victimism. This is not a western conspiracy to the East (nobody ever talked about Russia, Ukraine or Georgia cheating), neither to Azerbaijan. If somebody opened this thread is because there have been news about Azerbaijan cheating in some countries' votes and this is nothing new. So it's not because everyone is jelous, it's because people are talking about this.
People can't deny that some things smell dirty when it comes to some votings. Still, there are no proofs to accuse Azerbaijan or anyone else, but we DO have reasons for, at least, investigate. EBU must investigate to know if those accusations are true or not.
To be honest, I don't know if there's been cheating or not, but this just doesn't look good. Especially the points from Malta. Yeah, I know Azerbaijan has been strong for all these years, promotions, whatever.... I can understand Malta can give the 12 once or twice, but.... THE LAST FOUR YEARS??? And also with some points in return for Malta from Azerbaijan.... Oh please, we're not dumb. And don't compare this to UK-Lithuania, Romania-Moldova or whatever. Malta and Azerbaijan are not even close geographically and don't share diaspora.
Can't say the same about the rest of the accusations, but the Malta-Azerbaijan bloc is clear for me.
x12s
nuf' said.
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Ok, I read the conversation.
Thanks, but I'm not a pro-western racist or somebody like that. I don't say that Azeri songs are bad (I like 2010 and 2012) and I didn't blame this country for diaspora voting, because almost every country at ESC gets votes "for neighborhood", more or less. But this situation with Azerbaijan and a couple of other countries like Malta and Lithuania looks very dirtily. I didn't start that topic after Graham Norton's words about "these strange Maltese 12 points every year" in 2012, because it would be pointless without proof. But now I see a lot of articles from different countries about these Azeri "promoters" in Lithuania.
Somebody wrote here that there is a big promotion of Azerbaijan in Malta every year and they are very popular there. But look at the positions of "Hold me" in different Itunes charts (sourse - Eurovision Tracker) :
1-Azerbaijan
2-Moldova
7-Greece
17-Belarus
22-Russia
26-Sweden
....
321-Malta
321 position for a song from "extremely popular Azerbaijan" which got 12 points? Are you kidding me??? And Lithuania is not even in the list! How is it possible?
And for Azeris - do not offence, but after the situation when 50 people were arrested because of their sms for Armenia in 2009, you don't look like a honest participant. That's why this situation looks like new cheating.
Thanks, but I'm not a pro-western racist or somebody like that. I don't say that Azeri songs are bad (I like 2010 and 2012) and I didn't blame this country for diaspora voting, because almost every country at ESC gets votes "for neighborhood", more or less. But this situation with Azerbaijan and a couple of other countries like Malta and Lithuania looks very dirtily. I didn't start that topic after Graham Norton's words about "these strange Maltese 12 points every year" in 2012, because it would be pointless without proof. But now I see a lot of articles from different countries about these Azeri "promoters" in Lithuania.
Somebody wrote here that there is a big promotion of Azerbaijan in Malta every year and they are very popular there. But look at the positions of "Hold me" in different Itunes charts (sourse - Eurovision Tracker) :
1-Azerbaijan
2-Moldova
7-Greece
17-Belarus
22-Russia
26-Sweden
....
321-Malta
321 position for a song from "extremely popular Azerbaijan" which got 12 points? Are you kidding me??? And Lithuania is not even in the list! How is it possible?
And for Azeris - do not offence, but after the situation when 50 people were arrested because of their sms for Armenia in 2009, you don't look like a honest participant. That's why this situation looks like new cheating.
Farahim
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^^ yeah we are kidding you? So what?