Austria AUSTRIA 2023 - Teya & Salena - Who the Hell is Edgar?

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[aef]

Do you understand the difference between:

A) a review of one's melody, lyrics, vocal performance, staging and marketing

And

B) calling somebody's opinion or words "shit"?

Go check dictionary for words "insult" and "toxicity".

If my opinion about this song and performance somehow offends you personally, well my apologies, but I'm not sorry. I stayed within the limits of assessing someone's work, and did not derrange into personal insults or curses, like you did.

If you can't understand my impressions and you think I'm mean for no purpose, go check televote results. Might be clearer.

For example your calling the lyrics „a joke“ and the girls „instable and clumsy performers“ - I mean….

 

[skl]

But I went back to look at the past openers from 2010 to 2023 and tabulate the results

Cool analysis, thank you!

ESCInsight published some running order analysis a few weeks ago and found that even with juries there is a positive correlation between a song coming later and the juror assigning a better rank, comparing semi finals and final

Eurovision's Running Order Bias Is Real and Unavoidable

As presented at Eurovisions, the Eurovision Academic Conference, this is a summary of evidence to not only to show that running order bias exists at the Eurovision Song Contest, it does so even with the contest's professional jurors.

escinsight.com

(jurors are individuals that rank songs in both semi final and final, to account for the "different audience" argument)
I think running order bias within the public can only be higher than that.

Personally, I strongly believe that the same staging in the 2nd half would have scored more additional points than a better staging at position #1.

 

[Ajeje Brazorf]

You constantly keep calling it a flop - why did come 2nd, close to winning, in the semi final then? was mostly killed by running order in the final. And keep in mind that with only 10-20 additional points we would have been in the top 10 as the odds suggested.

Ok so why did they end 2nd in the SF then?

Coming in second when you are the favourite to win the semi before rehearsals is not a great sign either. I remember everyone being almost certain Austria would have been the winner of this weak semi and everyone predicting this song to be a top 10 or even a top 5 contender overall. I never ate that leaf, to be honest. Then rehearsals time came and the hype surrounding your entry was completely gone. I don't know what happened, but it seemed to me it completely lost the interest of its potential voters. Even some rankers on YouTube that had previously "Who the hell is Edgar?" in their top 5 or even top 3 were really cold in their reaction when they saw the rehearsals. Don't know why, but it happened.

 

[Ezio]

Austria almost finished Top 10 by 9 points with starting first. Those 9 points would have been easily picked up or more with a later running. There are countries behind us with much bigger ambitions this year. The odds weren't favorable as soon as the RO was announced.

 

[Ezio]

What rubs me the wrong way every year is that our promotion game is so cheesy. Always sucking up to wiwibloggs, giving every interview. I would love to see us be more mysterious and not so open about everything. There is no social media darling award. Instead of pre parties, I would TV shows in DACH and elsewhere.

 

[MopManMoss]

They went for cool when they shouldve gone camp like the music video, also there were way too many wide shots

 

[PollyWantsACracker]

For example your calling the lyrics „a joke“ and the girls „instable and clumsy performers“ - I mean….

I called their vocals "instable".

I called a "melody of the song" and "lyrics" both a "joke".

Yeah their moves on the stage were clumsy, they didn't know hot to use the stage.

None of my comments was directed at them as persons.

Don't invert my words just because this is something that you and other here would write about artists calling them clowns, fat etc.

I'm not you!

There's a written proof of what I wrote after all.

Now honestly, when it all ended.

The song was composed as a joke. Melodical composition was like a joke. Moreso than Croatia which everyone called a joke. Diss me off if you want.

Lyrics also a joke. I wrote that indirectly already a month ago when I said I felt uncomfortable singing Oh mio padre there's a ghost in my body.

I also wrote earlier that both are vocally instable and clumsy performers. They didn't sound good and sovereign in their performance as Czechia did for example, regardless of their initial struggles.

It appeared as if that backing track with hard fat bass had eaten them up together with huge graphics around them.

Running order OK, it didn't help. But it wasn't impactful from the get go. It could have been dead last as Mae Muller, and it would end up maybe with 10 pts more in televote. That's it.

Just one more example how artists shouldn't rely on the hype created by the bubble, YTers, Crystal Balls etc., spend months on futile pre-parties where the WiWis persuade you you're a God, that just make you falsely believe you're a fav.

The Israeli girl was smart. Went nowhere. Practiced and got her otherwise standard vocal and staging to perfection and nailed it. Didn't spend 192292 hours on futile chats with Deban.

Now you fanwankers, Austrian, Belgian, Swedish and whosever you might be, the adoptive parents of Loreen Teya Salena Monika Gustaph, leave me alone please.

Stop insulting people, stop lying about them, just stop for God's sake.

 

[MopManMoss]

I called their vocals "instable".

I called a "melody of the song" and "lyrics" both a "joke".

Yeah their moves on the stage were clumsy, they didn't know hot to use the stage.

None of my comments was directed at them as persons.

Don't invert my words just because this is something that you and other here would write about artists calling them clowns, fat etc.

I'm not you!

There's a written proof of what I wrote after all.



Now please you fanwankers, Austrian, Belgian, Swedish, leave me alone please.

Stop insulting people, stop lying about them, just stop for God's sake.

Sweden won and Belgian came 7th they werent fan wanks, Serbia was a fanwank

 

[PollyWantsACracker]

Sweden won and Belgian came 7th they werent fan wanks, Serbia was a fanwank

For me all people who lash out at others and insult others because they don't like their fav song or performer are fanwanks. Per definiton.

Regardless of how the song has placed (thanks to the juries btw, not preferences of most of the people).

 

[midnightsun]

Sweden won and Belgian came 7th they werent fan wanks, Serbia was a fanwank

I mean I‘m not too deeply involved in the Eurovision bubble other than in this forum so I didn’t saw or read any videos / posts other than the usual ones but to me it felt it was vice versa.

Belgium was hyped, especially by a certain group of males, while the initial short hype around Serbia vanished. I was a bit sad the closer we got to the contest that nobody really seemed to hype Serbia but me. And I even I didn’t hype it, I barely wrote about it other than it‘s my #1 this year a few times.

But it could depend where on social media you are.

 

[MopManMoss]

I mean I‘m not too deeply involved in the Eurovision bubble other than in this forum so I didn’t saw or read any videos / posts other than the usual ones but to me it felt it was vice versa.

Belgium was hyped, especially by a certain group of males, while the initial short hype around Serbia vanished. I was a bit sad the closer we got to the contest that nobody really seemed to hype Serbia but me. And I even I didn’t hype it, I barely wrote about it other than it‘s my #1 this year a few times.

But it could depend where on social media you are.

Belgium was hated on for months because people were upset about Cherine and Gala not winning eurosong the support for it has only been a very recent thing

For me all people who lash out at others and insult others because they don't like their fav song or performer are fanwanks. Per definiton.

Regardless of how the song has placed (thanks to the juries btw, not preferences of most of the people).

Fanwanks are entries that are talked very highly and speculated to do well in the contest only to completely bomb like France last year or Portugal 2019 for example

 

[aef]

Coming in second when you are the favourite to win the semi before rehearsals is not a great sign either. I remember everyone being almost certain Austria would have been the winner of this weak semi and everyone predicting this song to be a top 10 or even a top 5 contender overall. I never ate that leaf, to be honest. Then rehearsals time came and the hype surrounding your entry was completely gone. I don't know what happened, but it seemed to me it completely lost the interest of its potential voters. Even some rankers on YouTube that had previously "Who the hell is Edgar?" in their top 5 or even top 3 were really cold in their reaction when they saw the rehearsals. Don't know why, but it happened.

Are you serious? We were 12 points away of winning the Semi and 10 points of reaching 10th place in the final, the exact place the odds suggested.

I mean anyway, I can’t take this serious. Think about the facts a little bit more next time.

 

[aef]

I called their vocals "instable".

I called a "melody of the song" and "lyrics" both a "joke".

Yeah their moves on the stage were clumsy, they didn't know hot to use the stage.

None of my comments was directed at them as persons.

Don't invert my words just because this is something that you and other here would write about artists calling them clowns, fat etc.

I'm not you!

There's a written proof of what I wrote after all.



Now you fanwankers, Austrian, Belgian, Swedish and whosever you might be, the adoptive parents of Loreen Teya Salena Monika Gustaph, leave me alone please.

Stop insulting people, stop lying about them, just stop for God's sake.

No one’s insulting you or lying about you. You wrote „lyrics are a joke“ and „clumsy performer“. On the other hand your complaining about people calling certain artists „clowns“. That doesn’t fit together in my eyes. It’s as simple as this.

Yeah, people from the bubble behaved like animals.

They called contestants "desperate", "clowns", "pedophiles", "utter shite".

On every thread I wrote moderate comments even for songs I consider junk. I haven't been entering to Swedish thread at all.

E.g. I find Belgian song one complete junk of the 80's song but I wouldn't write something like that because fanwankers like @MopManMoss would most likely call me "arse" as he just did.

So I think this nice bubble of gays and other alledgedly open-minded people should go chilling for a while.

 

[PollyWantsACracker]

Belgium was hated on for months because people were upset about Cherine and Gala not winning eurosong the support for it has only been a very recent thing

Fanwanks are entries that are talked very highly and speculated to do well in the contest only to completely bomb like France last year or Portugal 2019 for example

Fanwanking is a personal characteristic, not a jury table.

Also re: Belgium, IDK anything about Gala drama and I don't care about it.

Your jokes about the entry made me feel sympathetic for it and his Boy George looks and personality I loved so I refrained from making comments about the song I dislike heavily.

But if I say it, I really expect of people to act with some minimum respect.

Also IDK why are you joining discussions with people who call other's opinion "shit", I would have never expected that you identify with such.

 

[Ezio]

We were closer to Top 10 than I thought we would be. AFTER the RO.

I was contemplating 18th or worse.

People before telling us, aww you Austrians are so negative. Now we have different guys here you tell us we are shit, no matter RO.

 

[PollyWantsACracker]

No one’s insulting you or lying about you. You wrote „lyrics are a joke“ and „clumsy performer“. On the other hand your complaining about people calling certain artists „clowns“. That doesn’t fit together in my eyes. It’s as simple as this.

If I was supposed to refrain from saying what I think about specific song or vocals or staging then I wouldn't have joined this forum. No purpose then having it.

Saying that Teya is clown as opposed that they wrote her a song that has a melody on a joke side are 2 quite different things.

That's why, exactly out od respect for personality of the artists and their dignity, I always write long reviews directed at melody, lyrics, staging, vocals or performance abilities.

I hope that you do understand that I do such reviews exactly to stay respectful and not to offend others' views and love for an entry. Especially because this is a national contest and people also take pride for their respective countries what I respect.

On the other side I haven't been honoured with that kind of respect here. Many aspects of my identity have been questioned here from forum members thus far, my nationality, my faith, my education, etc. I'm tired of this really.

 

[marty]

I dont understand why there is so much arguing about this.
Austria reached the final, that was the mission to be accomplished.
It is clear that the running order was the main reason they did not reach the top 10. They would have received the few points missing for top 10 with a place in the second half.
And it is clear that the staging was not good enough to get Austria into the top 5. It did not reflect the variety in that song. I understand that they did not want to put the video on stage but it would have been possible to make the performance cool and fun at the same time. Vocaly Salena was flawless, Teya always struggled with the first verse. The oh mio padre part was so fun in the video, but on stage not at all. the dance routine so many people loved in advance was not visible on stage.
ORF just did not use the potential of the song. but 15th place is not so bad. and as long as Austria reaches the final I am happy.

 

[Slabsson79]

When I read all this above, I see that Czechia and Austria share a lot, when it comes to ESC-fates.
Not that I am a big fan of neighbourly voting, but since Czechia has barely anyone, I suggest that Austria and Czechia become ESC-friends.

 

[PollyWantsACracker]

When I read all this above, I see the Czechia and Austria share a lot, when it comes to ESC-fates.
Not that I am a big fan of neighbourly voting, but since Czechia has barely anyone, I suggest that Austria and Czechia become ESC-friends.

Czechia is an example how hard work and thoughtful approach can elevate whole entry, from being questionable both vocally and visually a month ago to nailing it.

 

[Ezio]

When I read all this above, I see that Czechia and Austria share a lot, when it comes to ESC-fates.
Not that I am a big fan of neighbourly voting, but since Czechia has barely anyone, I suggest that Austria and Czechia become ESC-friends.

After all, we forced you to return in 2015 only to flop again for three years in a row