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Austria AUSTRIA 2020 - Vincent - Alive
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Lindon
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Oh, I'm still a great fan of PÆNDA and Limits.
Evolution II is the only hardware CD I bought in years,.
But the advice-thing is a fact in the context of the special circumstances of the ESC.
MalagaToledo
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Wow, he seems so petty. Now he is putting himself in a defensive mode. I'm not a homophobe. I have a gay cousin and gay friends and that's why I cannot be a homophobe. Don't believe my interview with heute magazine. I am bullied by a particular person. Please guys report him. How pathetic. And BTW, its the worst and typical response every homophobe will say. I'm not a homophobe, I have a gay neighbour, cousin, colleague... Typical homophobic response.. I cannot believe how petty he is...
lavieenrose
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I think he isn't a homophobe but just ignorant. "I have a gay neighbour, gay people are so happy and funny" this answer could only come from a person who is not necessarily a homophobe but a person who does not have much exposure to gay community and gay culture. Fair enough, tho, as he's just trying to save his a$$.
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He also said he worked in musical. Lol, but this is typical and the worst response. I cannot be a homophobe because I have gay neighbour, cousin, colleague...
The most important question is: he said it wasn't true what was written in his interview with heute magazine. Let's pretend that we believe him for one second.
Why on earth didn't he sue that magazine and its editors????? He would win a lot of money because they lied and his reputation was on stake. He knew he was going to eurovision. And it's pointless to have any conversation with him because he is trying to play a victim card.
The most important question is: he said it wasn't true what was written in his interview with heute magazine. Let's pretend that we believe him for one second.
Why on earth didn't he sue that magazine and its editors????? He would win a lot of money because they lied and his reputation was on stake. He knew he was going to eurovision. And it's pointless to have any conversation with him because he is trying to play a victim card.
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He‘s mainly working in musical which is the gayest section of all theatrical art. So - no he‘s not somebody who does not have much exposure to gay community and gay culture. And he did not say things like „I have a gay neighbour,...“
That makes his statement even more unjustifiable. How can a person who has so much exposure to gay community say 'I'm not homophobe cuz I work in musical, I have a gay cousin, gay people are funny' lol
I am not lashing out at him, but just saying that his point was off the mark.
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Well, he just blocked that person, even though that person has apologised repeatedly and explained everything. Even if he said all that, I don't have the rights to give moral lessons to him cause I also said some disgusting things. Sometimes, I say things I don't mean. #dramaqueen. He said if u are tired hating, u are welcome to team bueno and then blocks the guy who apologised and said compliments abt him. Also, he was politely asked to delete insta stories, because its not the real name of that person. Its not completely invented, some letters s are twisted and added, but he also follows esc and received an apology earlier this year. I mean it's different username, because some letters are twisted/changed but still it was so unnecessary to make those insta stories. Also, the funniest thing that he said is that this person who wrote him on insta,he said "I'm pretty sure that he reported my account for hate speech and now I can't comment when ppl compliment me". I mean wtf, is Vincent joking..
Again, if it's true what he said that heute magazine editors lied, why didn't he sue them? Also, he knew where he was going. I hope someone asks him that question in Rotterdam. But if I ever hear again the words I'm not a homophobe because my cat, neighbour, colleague, Friseur, cousin is gay my head will explode. Lol, I think I need social media detox and to focus on positive things and my faves. I still wished him good luck. Nobody hates him,but also he should learn that in this business not everyone will love him. It depends how he projects himself.
Again, if it's true what he said that heute magazine editors lied, why didn't he sue them? Also, he knew where he was going. I hope someone asks him that question in Rotterdam. But if I ever hear again the words I'm not a homophobe because my cat, neighbour, colleague, Friseur, cousin is gay my head will explode. Lol, I think I need social media detox and to focus on positive things and my faves. I still wished him good luck. Nobody hates him,but also he should learn that in this business not everyone will love him. It depends how he projects himself.
This kind of speech reminds me of a time an actress here was accused of racism and one of her fans tried to defend her saying "how could she be racist her dog is black!!!"
It has nothing to do to Bueno I just needed to share this I'm sorry
It has nothing to do to Bueno I just needed to share this I'm sorry
RainyWoods
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This. I recommend this so much. We all have those moments where we commit ourselves to what are very draining situations that can end up escalating, before becoming entirely consuming. Focusing on the things you like? That's two big thumbs up from me there. Do it man. It will surely feel great to get away from all of the arguing back and forth.
I know your intentions are good, and I think I also know the place from which they come. I might not show it so openly but I also detest when people seem to show a lack of tolerance for us (gay people), are cruel, judgemental and generally just make our lives more difficult. But if we want to change this, we hold the power to do it. Getting so hysterical and cancelling people in most cases is never the best option (I detest cancel culture tbh), and it potentially has the power to segregate us, rather than fix rifts. And I see it right now actually in general comments deriving from similar situations across the internet over the past few years, not just from this particular drama. It gives these people ammunition, and potentially feeds ignorance even further. It frustrates me deeply in these situations whenever I read people speaking about our (LGBT people's) lack of tolerance, how hateful we supposedly are, hypocritical and how quick we are to cancel people. And there's some truth in it. Some of us can be this way and it's damaging our fight which sadly is still an ongoing thing right now. We need to be able to forgive, and we have to allow people the chance to learn.
I personally feel the things Vincent said (if he said them) come from a place of ignorance. I know my Mother wanted grandchildren desperately and now she's probably never going to get them, but she still loves me deeply more than anything in the world. The words in the article were ill thought out and sure, that can be pointed out, but in the very same interview he says that he will love his children regardless of their sexuality, and that's something positive that we can't just ignore. You've got to remember as well that we don't know his personal background, his upbringing etc, his culture. We cannot crucify someone who's making an effort with us.
The healthy thing to do now I think would be for everyone to give this a rest. Let Vincent go to Eurovision, and IF he's carrying any doubts or negative judgements about us, let's show him how wrong those feelings are. We've come a long in the last few decades and let's keep moving forward together.
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I don't know where he should have said the sentence you're quoting. I only know the one statement he made regarding the homophobic allegations and there he said: I'm not homophobe, I work in the musical business. I couldn't work there if I was homophobe. And that's quite rational if you look at it. A true homophobe would not choose an environment where he has to co-work with people he despises.
The remark he made years ago and that is the starting point was taken out of context (nobody mentions what he said afterwards, nobody mentions why he said it). I'm not excusing him - this was a very silly remark. BUT: in contrast to cases of the same subject - he has nowhere shown a hostile behavior, nor has he denied gay rights or has shown political activism in that direction.
It is the one and only phrase that is now blown up and from where some random people who didn't know his name a few days ago think they can make a judgment on his beliefs or his character. This is ridiculous and highly superficial. Especially we as members of the LGBT-community should be aware of wearing out a notion. The danger in using a notion too often and in places where it is not really accurate is, that it becomes meaningless and if there is a real case of homophobic behavior, we have no means left denouncing it, because everyone will go: "here they come again with that allegation *roll-eyes*"
That's my view on the whole matter. I don't know if I could make myself clear, but I do not intend to go any further into this.
Edit: I've just read where the sentence you quoted comes from. Not a very clever strategy - I agree. But it doesn't change the rest of what I said.
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[MENTION=9441]RainyWoods[/MENTION] Thanks, man!! I mean it happened before with mans zelmerlöw, Laura bretan and Jacques houdek. They all blocked me. I wish that I stopped reading stories like this in esc. Eurovision has had a dozens of stories like this. And they know exactly where they are going. I cannot be a homophobe because I know someone who is gay and I work with him. Sorry, I am not buying it. Why in the first place u had need to mention that u wouldn't like gay kids. I hope Matt is reading this. And my wish, probably not gonna happen is that he asks him why didn't he sue heute magazine for defamination. If he had sued them, he would already be a millionaire with a lot of money, if it was true what he had been saying that they lied about it. I mean before every interview, interviewers turn their audio gadgets on so they can write it down later. It just doesn't make sense to me. And I do go out of my comfort zone, esp after their response. I so say some shirty things, I even had fake profile of zelmerlöw in laws. And after his wife and sister block me, I make a new account and I stopped it because I was so worried and ofc I apologised to them. In my country, everything was more welcome than being gay. And I just had it enough. Eurovision should be hate free place. I guess the respect is earned. Love draws love and hate drives hate. But it was6too exhausting, unnecessary, pointless and took so much time. I was a dog who barks but doesn't bite. A drama queen. Ofc some of the things were just said to agitate, I didn't mean half of it. I'm trying to be better person every day.. And you are right about focusing on the things I like. I wish I have done that much earlier. But in the words of Oscar wilde "every Saint has a past and every sinner has a future".. #love
My question is.. Would it be better not to know who is a homophobe or not? If I want to spend my money on someone, I want to know does that singer mean well.. Or is it better to be oblivious and to spare myself all the troubles??
My question is.. Would it be better not to know who is a homophobe or not? If I want to spend my money on someone, I want to know does that singer mean well.. Or is it better to be oblivious and to spare myself all the troubles??
RainyWoods
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[MENTION=16696]MalagaToledo[/MENTION] I know. It's not a nice feeling to read stories like this, but I think also it can be wise to measure the stories and then act accordingly. In this case Vincent has possibly said some ignorant things, but we also got right away some positively standing side by side that ignorance, so to me I think this is someone who's absolutely not a lost cause at all and should be treated us such. What Sammy has said above makes very much a lot of sense I think too.
I understand why you feel the way that you do about these situations with ESC artists who have said dodgy, ignorant things, hateful even. And you're right also in saying that Eurovision should be free of these things. Heck, LIFE should be free of it. Maybe one day.
I'm glad though that you see that your crusades were maybe just a little too much. None of us are perfect though. I'm working on my own problems too (I think my 2020 news years resolution should be to tone down my shady ass a smidgen). But anyway, yeah. Focus on all the good things we've got coming our way. I can relate to what it's like to be swimming in negativity and it can be hard to pull yourself out of it. It's overwhelming. I think it's great though how you understood things were being taken perhaps a bit too far, and now you're eager to do something about it. When you first came here I was thinking to myself "gosh, every post is either about Mans or a potentially homophobic singer" and it was a bit exhausting, but I know you've got other stuff to talk about with us, and you'll enjoy it much more I think. Stay away from social media for a while! haha. And great Oscar Wilde quote!
I understand why you feel the way that you do about these situations with ESC artists who have said dodgy, ignorant things, hateful even. And you're right also in saying that Eurovision should be free of these things. Heck, LIFE should be free of it. Maybe one day.
I'm glad though that you see that your crusades were maybe just a little too much. None of us are perfect though. I'm working on my own problems too (I think my 2020 news years resolution should be to tone down my shady ass a smidgen). But anyway, yeah. Focus on all the good things we've got coming our way. I can relate to what it's like to be swimming in negativity and it can be hard to pull yourself out of it. It's overwhelming. I think it's great though how you understood things were being taken perhaps a bit too far, and now you're eager to do something about it. When you first came here I was thinking to myself "gosh, every post is either about Mans or a potentially homophobic singer" and it was a bit exhausting, but I know you've got other stuff to talk about with us, and you'll enjoy it much more I think. Stay away from social media for a while! haha. And great Oscar Wilde quote!
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Last thing on this from me. heute.at has deleted its article. I wonder why - no, I don't wonder. heute.at is not the most reliable news source in the world, as everyone in Austria knows. Just a few days ago they wrote that the Austrian artist will be revealed in March and that the ESC will take place in Amsterdam.
RainyWoods
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I think the like button being gone right now is weirdly quite torturous. So many times I read something I enjoyed or agreed with, and it's nice just to acknowledge the person with a simple like if I don't have the time or energy at that moment to respond or join in a conversation. Now we've actually got to work our butts and communicate haha.
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[MENTION=16696]MalagaToledo[/MENTION] I know. It's not a nice feeling to read stories like this, but I think also it can be wise to measure the stories and then act accordingly. In this case Vincent has possibly said some ignorant things, but we also got right away some positively standing side by side that ignorance, so to me I think this is someone who's absolutely not a lost cause at all and should be treated us such. What Sammy has said above makes very much a lot of sense I think too.
I understand why you feel the way that you do about these situations with ESC artists who have said dodgy, ignorant things, hateful even. And you're right also in saying that Eurovision should be free of these things. Heck, LIFE should be free of it. Maybe one day.
I'm glad though that you see that your crusades were maybe just a little too much. None of us are perfect though. I'm working on my own problems too (I think my 2020 news years resolution should be to tone down my shady ass a smidgen). But anyway, yeah. Focus on all the good things we've got coming our way. I can relate to what it's like to be swimming in negativity and it can be hard to pull yourself out of it. It's overwhelming. I think it's great though how you understood things were being taken perhaps a bit too far, and now you're eager to do something about it. When you first came here I was thinking to myself "gosh, every post is either about Mans or a potentially homophobic singer" and it was a bit exhausting, but I know you've got other stuff to talk about with us, and you'll enjoy it much more I think. Stay away from social media for a while! haha. And great Oscar Wilde quote!
[MENTION=9441]RainyWoods[/MENTION]
You are too nice, thanks for the nice words.. I would give u a hug or smth, but at the moment every smiley on this forum stopped working. I am even more furious about gays who support homophobic statements, views.. I had such strong words for Edward af sillen, a Swedish esc commentator who also happens to be gay and who said that mz is his close friend. And I'm like wtf, how can u be close to a person who said such disgusting words to you. How can a snake and moongose be friends, how can an orca and a seal be friends with each other. Makes no sense. And he would just block me and it would agitate me and I would make a new acc and he would do it again and so on. Yeah, I was very obsessed with mz, almost as obsessed as he is with esc.
I mean if I could have turned back time, I would know exactly what I should do. Maybe, a lot of this has to do with my life. It didn't turn out to be the way I wanted. And I was always bullied and I've been listening stories you will finish in hell if u have gay Sex. And I was, wtf its just Sex between 2 adult persons in monogamous relationship. Its not forced and it makes them happy. So I wanted to finish in heaven and I'm socially awkward and that's why I'm still Virgin in my late. ...ies... And it can be sexually frustrating.. And some circumstances led that I'm not happy with myself. But I do hope that 2020 will be better. It has to be..