Australia and Sweden

[tuorem]

9 points was already too much given Jessica's vocals alone, I won't even bother mentioning the rest which was anecdotal at best.

And to think she placed 20th overall, beating acts that were on point, is saddening. Still, I'm glad Australians got their first "bad" result, it's about time SBS realize they aren't doing much with their safe and tired recipe.

I've read here and there "people don't like Australia" : no, people just didn't care about their songs lately. If they came up with something less manufactured and predictable, maybe televoters would not forget about them.

 

[Preuss]

You are way too harsh on Jessica's vocal performance, judging on vocal performance, then hell no Netta shouldn't have gotten many points and neither Eleni. But opinions are opinions (:

I don't think a majority of the televoters will remember what Australia's sent the previous years, or on the other hand think that "now it's Australia, I know what they're gonna perform despite the fact that I haven't heard the song before." And some people don't like Australia in Eurovision. After the grand final, I asked many students who I'm not really friends with, but interacting with during classes, whether they would vote for Australia. Many were neutral about it, but some of them said that they wouldn't vote for Australia no matter what they sent. Now Australia's entries do rather well here in Norway, so I don't believe that's the reason why they have done rather poor the last 2 years, but some people do not like Australia.

Now, I've also wondered whether Australia's entries, and Sweden's, would've been that harshly criticised if sent by another country not as successfull? But this is probably partly connected with the expectations people have for some countries in ESC.

 

[blue00eyes]

Jessica's vocals were off, I was worried all the time during her performance if she will crack badly or not. Her dancing wasn't very good. I didn't like Netta's live singing neither. She sounds like she is choking at times. As for Eleni, with a lot of movement she did on stage vocals were really fine, I wonder if Jessica would even finish her performance if she had a song like "Fuego" with such choreography.

 

[Dessi]

Oh GOD, there are BIGGER problems than THIS in the world. xboring
Eurovision is supposed to be a HAPPY and friendly contest but YOU just try to seek out EVERY SINGLE BAD THING you can see even if it's clearly MADE UP ... SOOO fucking ridiculous... sorry... It really makes me sick when people can't see that some countries try their best to produce good semifinals and select the best song... but then just get SHIT from this FORUM... This forum is NOT ruling Eurovision Song Contest! YOU are just a tiny, T-I-N-Y bit of ALL the voters all over the world... *so sick of this all this shit* ... xdown

 

[blue00eyes]

So let's shut down the forum... If there's nothing to talk about, complain and all of it.

And you are from Sweden, explains a lot

 

[mauve]

Oh GOD, there are BIGGER problems than THIS in the world. xboring
Eurovision is supposed to be a HAPPY and friendly contest but YOU just try to seek out EVERY SINGLE BAD THING you can see even if it's clearly MADE UP ... SOOO fucking ridiculous... sorry... It really makes me sick when people can't see that some countries try their best to produce good semifinals and select the best song... but then just get SHIT from this FORUM... This forum is NOT ruling Eurovision Song Contest! YOU are just a tiny, T-I-N-Y bit of ALL the voters all over the world... *so sick of this all this shit* ... xdown

Sorry to say this ... but that's what forums are there for. Of course, we are tiny, everyone of us knows that, but that doesn't mean we can't exchange opinions ...

 

[Realest]

Sorry to say this ... but that's what forums are there for. Of course, we are tiny, everyone of us knows that, but that doesn't mean we can't exchange opinions ...

The problem is the disgusting Anti-Swedish Attitude in this Forum and all those Conspiracys and the fact that people are nowadays more critical towards Sweden than any other Country.

 

[mauve]

The problem is the disgusting Anti-Swedish Attitude in this Forum and all those Conspiracys and the fact that people are nowadays more critical towards Sweden than any other Country.

I haven't read any anti-swedish attitude here in a while, but people keep on whining that the televotes have been so low for Benjamin. I am not anti-swedish, but just say that the song wasn't good enough. There is no "objective" opinion towards the song. You can like it or hate it. Just to assume an anti-swedish-attitude because you don't like the song, is very exxaggerated. Should Sweden send a new good song, I am the first one to vote for it.

 

[blue00eyes]

I was quite happy about these flops, both Swedish and Australian this year, doesn't it mean that I hate these countries or I am anti-them gosh.. I am only happy that people could just see and hear Benjamin lip-syncing half of the time.. or Jessica that almost sang and almost danced.

 

[Realest]

I haven't read any anti-swedish attitude here in a while, but people keep on whining that the televotes have been so low for Benjamin. I am not anti-swedish, but just say that the song wasn't good enough. There is no "objective" opinion towards the song. You can like it or hate it. Just to assume an anti-swedish-attitude because you don't like the song, is very exxaggerated. Should Sweden send a new good song, I am the first one to vote for it.

Then you overlooked a Lot. Since years (after Mans won because of Juries) Sweden got more 0s than 12s in the Polls. Benjamin got lots of Hates after he won NF, which is ridiculous regarding what Garbage got celebrated meanwhile. Everywhere were comments that the Juries voted for Benjamin "because hes from Sweden" and how Christer Björkman has controll over these people. Everyone wanted Sweden to flop because MF was weak although there were much worse NFs etc..

 

[Realest]

I was quite happy about these flops, both Swedish and Australian this year, doesn't it mean that I hate these countries or I am anti-them gosh.. I am only happy that people could just see and hear Benjamin lip-syncing half of the time.. or Jessica that almost sang and almost danced.

Well, its the Type of Chorus which cant be sung alone and thats why Background-Singer are there. Also I think he sung the Chorus too, but of course he contributed a very small part to it.

 

[mauve]

Then you overlooked a Lot. Since years (after Mans won because of Juries) Sweden got more 0s than 12s in the Polls. Benjamin got lots of Hates after he won NF, which is ridiculous regarding what Garbage got celebrated meanwhile. Everywhere were comments that the Juries voted for Benjamin "because hes from Sweden" and how Christer Björkman has controll over these people. Everyone wanted Sweden to flop because MF was weak although there were much worse NFs etc..

What I meant is that I haven't read many anti-swedish comments here on the forum since May. And I have the feeling that Benjamin-Lovers STILL whine about the televotes. I mean ... how Long should it go? I am sure that if Sweden sends a decent song again, they will be loved again. In the last years, their songs weren't that good. Personally I thought that Benjamin's song was too childish, so was his attitude, but it has nothing to do with hating Sweden.

 

[Realest]

What I meant is that I haven't read many anti-swedish comments here on the forum since May. And I have the feeling that Benjamin-Lovers STILL whine about the televotes. I mean ... how Long should it go? I am sure that if Sweden sends a decent song again, they will be loved again. In the last years, their songs weren't that good. Personally I thought that Benjamin's song was too childish, so was his attitude, but it has nothing to do with hating Sweden.

Its not about me being a Benjamin-Fan, its about the Fact that the Forumclimate is getting worse and worse and mostly in the Sweden-Threads. And well, the Forum is more or less dead since May, so what did you expect? Just read the Juryhate-Thread or the last 20 Pages from the Sweden-Thread then you see that many people post things that go too far.

 

[mauve]

IJust read the Juryhate-Thread or the last 20 Pages from the Sweden-Thread then you see that many people post things that go too far.

I actually haven't read these pages. No idea what "too far" is, but I guess we can ar least agree on the fact that no matter if you like a song or not, you shouldn't offend a musician.

P.S. Just watched over some comments of this thread and couldn't find much what I would call "too far". Maybe some were what you can call "harsh", but they weren't over the top. Maybe you can give an example what you call "too far". I am just curious.

 

[lolita]

You are way too harsh on Jessica's vocal performance, judging on vocal performance, then hell no Netta shouldn't have gotten many points and neither Eleni. But opinions are opinions (:

I don't think a majority of the televoters will remember what Australia's sent the previous years, or on the other hand think that "now it's Australia, I know what they're gonna perform despite the fact that I haven't heard the song before." And some people don't like Australia in Eurovision. After the grand final, I asked many students who I'm not really friends with, but interacting with during classes, whether they would vote for Australia. Many were neutral about it, but some of them said that they wouldn't vote for Australia no matter what they sent. Now Australia's entries do rather well here in Norway, so I don't believe that's the reason why they have done rather poor the last 2 years, but some people do not like Australia.

Now, I've also wondered whether Australia's entries, and Sweden's, would've been that harshly criticised if sent by another country not as successfull? But this is probably partly connected with the expectations people have for some countries in ESC.

Netta sounded horrible, to be fair and honest, whoever says different is in huge denial and lies just to protect their favorite, and Eleni sounded so-so, I would say "decent", that is all. So you are right somehow, even though I am not fan of "We Got Love", vocals are not important so much in this competition, as for now. It is not fine by me, but that is the way it is valued. Neither Netta or Eleni deserved first places, if vocals really matter. From top places, only Cesar, Michael and Elina had outstanding vocal performance, others were pretty"meh".

 

[Realest]

I actually haven't read these pages. No idea what "too far" is, but I guess we can ar least agree on the fact that no matter if you like a song or not, you shouldn't offend a musician.

P.S. Just watched over some comments of this thread and couldn't find much what I would call "too far". Maybe some were what you can call "harsh", but they weren't over the top. Maybe you can give an example what you call "too far". I am just curious.

I don't know how to say it without somehow offending swedish users. But this has to stop. Enough already. It's not even funny anymore. It's actually offensive to the competition.

If there was any doubt about the swedish lobbies penetrated in juries, then the truth became clear after such discrepancy. The police should really start looking about the putrified corruption...

Because i'm sick of watching the juries always so blindly worried to push for their beloved melofestivalen entries without any logic. But this time, it went to far.
SECOND PLACE? IS THIS A JOKE? A group labelled as music experts inserting this thing in second is nothing but complete bullshit. I just wonder, how much they are paid to act like that.

That moment was priceless!! I watched that live and laughed so hard that i spit out my water. xlol xlol xlol

All Comments by arrogant Portugueses. I hope Claudias deserved last Place will bring them back to Reality. Swedes always stayed down to earth despite their Successes.

Then:

I wish I could see the reaction of the Swedish delegation when they were annouced as the fourth last in televoting.

The Same Guy wrote this a few Pages before:

I am not a person who celebrates the failure of anybody... BUT I screamed out of joy when it was announced as one of the last in televoting!

Lets go on:

21 points from the public...

*breathes in*

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

So of course people are upset if Sweden gets always a lot of points from juries whatever crap they send

Sweden was 8 Years in a Row in the Jury Top10 and 6/8 Times in the TV Top10 and yet they send Crap. This is Insulting.

The juries have to go! Björkman has to go!

Probably everyone is influenced by pushing Sweden to the max.

1. Cyprus (a song written by a Swede, amongst others) gets the best spots to perform

2. Malta (again, like in the last years) is pushed by the juries (the song is written by a Swede)

3. Sweden is pushed by the juries - again. No matter what song they send. It's overrated and I don't say this because I don't like the song anyway. If they go for contemporary songs (and that's what users here claim, Sweden was "the most modern" song) why didn't they choose Czech Republic instead? It's a similar song but much more complex and fresh (music professionals should value that). Even Israel and Cyprus were more contemporary in that regard).

Ridiculous Conspiracys about Sweden.

Congrats Czechia, so happy for you guys

Performance was amazing tonight Juries should've given it more tbh .. instead of Sweden

I'm so happy for your 6th place yet I'm also totally angry about the jury results concerning !! If so many of the juries liked that much why didn't they give those points instead? This was miles above !! But I know, has got its reputation and they get ranked high anyway...

Well in the end you can be so proud of Mikolas and having such a strong televoting result as such a small country without allies and without diaspora is just amazing (we Austrians know that feeling haha)!

This song getting 15th place in the jury vote while Sweden was 2nd is actually the most irritating to me. If it was from Sweden, it would have been in the Top3 there and could have won the contest...

This together with is the biggest jury injustice this year... As you say, there is absolutely no good reason for ranking that high and that low... For me was miles above ! Both and could have won with a decent jury score

Even in the Czechrepublic-Thread Sweden gets hated. And this goes too far.

I knew when the Voting lines were open that long that something was strange... they waited for the votes for Sweden to come in

More Conspiracies about Sweden.

I loved televotes for sweden Fuck you Bjorkman

As if Björkman bribed the Juries

 

[Preuss]

Yes I agree that the Sweden hate and Sweden conspiracies are rather ridiculous, but I don’t think you are much better calling out that Claudia deserved last place really...? Because that’s for me rather insulting and disrespectful... and you don’t want people to be disrespectful towards Sweden right? But I’m on the same page as you though about the Sweden stuff around here...

 

[mauve]

Thank you for doing it, now I have a better picture of the discussion.

Some comments of you mentioned, I didn't think they were offensive at all. They stated an opinion WITHOUT being offensive like:

I don't know how to say it without somehow offending swedish users. But this has to stop. Enough already. It's not even funny anymore. It's actually offensive to the competition.

If there was any doubt about the swedish lobbies penetrated in juries, then the truth became clear after such discrepancy. The police should really start looking about the putrified corruption...

Because i'm sick of watching the juries always so blindly worried to push for their beloved melofestivalen entries without any logic. But this time, it went to far.
SECOND PLACE? IS THIS A JOKE? A group labelled as music experts inserting this thing in second is nothing but complete bullshit. I just wonder, how much they are paid to act like that.

They might be conspiracies, yes, but is it really so harsh? Maybe I have another degree of offensiveness ... no idea. These could be too far in my opinion (but these comments are rather childish than offensive):

That moment was priceless!! I watched that live and laughed so hard that i spit out my water.

21 points from the public...

*breathes in*

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

And this person at least tries to argue:

Sweden is pushed by the juries - again. No matter what song they send. It's overrated and I don't say this because I don't like the song anyway. If they go for contemporary songs (and that's what users here claim, Sweden was "the most modern" song) why didn't they choose Czech Republic instead? It's a similar song but much more complex and fresh (music professionals should value that). Even Israel and Cyprus were more contemporary in that regard).

The talk about "false" voting in the Juries:
conspiracies or not, I didn't understand myself why Benjamin's song was rated so high. But so it be. But then complaining that the televoters voted wrong (I saw that often in this forum as well), is as stupid. Televoters should have the right to point out their likes and dislikes as well.
But this is a difficult topic anyway ...

And stated by you:

All Comments by arrogant Portugueses. I hope Claudias deserved last Place will bring them back to Reality. Swedes always stayed down to earth despite their Successes.

As Preuss said, you offend Portugal yourself. Not much better.

 

[Realest]

Yes I agree that the Sweden hate and Sweden conspiracies are rather ridiculous, but I don’t think you are much better calling out that Claudia deserved last place really...? Because that’s for me rather insulting and disrespectful... and you don’t want people to be disrespectful towards Sweden right? But I’m on the same page as you though about the Sweden stuff around here...

Why?Theres nothing disrespectful. It is a Competition and someone has to become Last. This is Part of the Game. And this Video proves that Claudia deserved her last Place more than anyone else.



Also I had the Impression that Portugal needed the Last Place so that many portuguese People can come down from their high horse.

 

[Realest]

[MENTION=16080]mauve[/MENTION] As I said this is not about me cheering for Benjamin. Imagine you come from a Country that works really hard for the Success and gets nothing but hate nomatter what the Country does. As soon as you have Success people start talking bullshit about your Country and bring Conspiracies. I read here in the Forum that many Swedes got angry looks in Eurovillage (and Benjamin apparently too) and also stayed away from this Forum because of the Constant Sweden-Bashing. In ESCForum many people already wish Sweden to fail next year without even knowing their next Song. And these are things that arent alright. The Idea of this Forum was to unite whole Europe and celebrate Eurovision together and not discriminate People/Singer who were born in the "wrong" Nationality. I dont complain that people dont like "Dance you off" but what happened here went beyond only disliking "Dance you off".