Gordon_Shumway
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Hmmm, well... let me think about this for a second...
NO.
And if a soccer world championship in Qatar is possible, then an "ESC" in Australia should really be an easy piece of cake.
Money makes everything possible.
Australia AUSTRALIA 2016 - Dami Im - Sound Of Silence
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Hmmm, well... let me think about this for a second...
NO.
And if a soccer world championship in Qatar is possible, then an "ESC" in Australia should really be an easy piece of cake.
Money makes everything possible.
I'm not sure if it would be worth the money or hassle though. Few reasons.
1) Eurovision isn't huge in Australia. Okay, its popular, and they've embraced it. But we're not talking Sweden/Netherlands type of popularity here.
2) Eurovision has a large following of people who will try and always go, regardless of what European country it is in... you're stretching them a bit far when you're suddenly asking them to go to Australia. That's at least £1000!
3) What time would it be hosted at? 5am in the morning Australia time? Because again, that would be a bit of a nightmare. Would shops open that late/early? Because if not, they lose out on the tourists Eurovision bring. What about extra policing and security in the earlier hours of the morning? Nightclubs and bars? There would be a lot more hurdles to jump. If they decided to host in the evening Australian time, they simply lose their European audience, so that will never happen.
Australia, China, America in Eurovision in the next few years? Possibily.
A Eurovision outside of Europe? Not for an extremely long time.
Gordon_Shumway
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[MENTION=14907]Jacketh[/MENTION] Well said, all of it! For me those are enough arguments to conclude that Australia shouldn't take part in the ESC in the first place. Same rules for everyone, please: Who wins, shall host next year.
Well they might be reasons why you are not comfortable with them competing, but they're more reasons why you shouldn't be too concerned about them being in and winning it - it is practically impossible that Australia could host Eurovision. It'd be like the ESC self-destructing, pressing a button and a nuclear bomb landing on itself.
They said last year that they'd host in Germany, I believe. I don't think that'd change. (Grr... Come to the UK!!!)
Lets get back on topic and discuss (what I hope is) the winning song tonight!
A-lister
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Preach the truth
It's sad how easily people were bought by EBU's lies though... it just shows how effecient EBU's pushing and marketing of Australia in ESC has been and how sheep-like people are.
Not within the EBU broadcasting area = Not eligible to enter
It's simple, those were always the rules, but now when they can have more money and have more English Pop it seems like the rules doesn't apply...
Then they make an exception and say that it's "associate member", but what about the other "associate members" then?
LalehForWD
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LOL what have democracy todo with Australia in Eurovision? After all EBU is a private non-profit organisation for television broadcasting companies and Eurovision is theirs todo with as they please. It's not a democracy.
A-lister
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... funded by public broadcasters that are funded by the public...
try again...
Eurovision IS the public's contest and EBU couldn't care less and its a shame... without the public there wouldn't be no Eurovision so...
LalehForWD
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Screaming off topic but EBU really is a interest and cooperation organisation for European broadcasters, and only them - it really isn't open for anyone to join.
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Screaming off topic but EBU really is a interest and cooperation organisation for European broadcasters, and only them - it really isn't open for anyone to join.
What in funded by public broadcasters bit you just missed?... and you know how public broadcasters are funded right?
Why are people minimizing themselves all the time? We have alot of say since we are sponsoring the whole shebang... and we should not forget that Eurovision would be nothing without the public funding their broadcasters aswell as the public VIEWING this... if it had few viewers it would have already been cancelled long time ago... no viewers = no commercial adds + no money from voting + no money from public broadcasters to the project
LalehForWD
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We as Swedes pay for SVT via tax and the special TV fee, yes. The government have decided some public services policies which SVT must follow, yes. But otherwise SVT is a private corporate with shareholders and everything that comes with that. What SVT is doing with EBU must logically technically be seen as their internal matters.
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Things change.
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I'm kinda torn apart about this. Australia is sending good songs and it's clear they think Eurovision is important, also they have a cultural bond with Europe, just like Israel, Lebanon, Morocco and Turkey. However i don't want to see any more exceptions, such as China or USA.
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People always complain when there is some kind of political statement in Eurovision, but you are treating as it was a political entity rather than entertainment. In fact if my taxes are being used to fund ESC then damn right I want Austrialia, China, USA and whoever else in ESC and not the other way around. If anything this strengthens my opinion. To add to this; was the rule originally voted on by tax-paying public? Or was it implemented by the EBU executives and we just accepted it, being given no other option? Your way of thinking ain't any more democratic.
jfc, it takes a special kind of person to use that phrase unironically. This is the lowest kind of argument; assert that the other party is mentally impaired without any kind of evidence and shut down the whole argument. You might have as well called us all stupid-heads.
I don't care if EBU puts more money into its pockets by having Australia in the contest. Because I get something in return: more songs. Which is why I watch Eurovision. It's highly unlikely that adding more nations will make the national broadcasters raise the fee, especially when in some nations there are already motions to remove or decrease broadcaster fees. Even if they did raise the fees it doesn't matter since you can just cancel the subscription. Everything is streamed online nowadays anyway.
But doesn't this contradict the idea that EBU are corrupt, money-grabbing, fan-exploiting asshats? If people can't go see the contest because of prices, resulting in a half-empty venue then it's pretty much a 100% guarantee that Eurovision won't be hosted outside of Europe. If they go anyway and have to fork over lots of money that's really their choice. Eurovision is luxury, not necessity.
In the end if Eurovision is financially supported by the fans, by me, then I definitely want them to ignore or remove that archaic rule. As you said, it's a democracy and if push came to shove and the public had to vote on this rule, I wonder if the results would be in your favor.
jfc, it takes a special kind of person to use that phrase unironically. This is the lowest kind of argument; assert that the other party is mentally impaired without any kind of evidence and shut down the whole argument. You might have as well called us all stupid-heads.
I don't care if EBU puts more money into its pockets by having Australia in the contest. Because I get something in return: more songs. Which is why I watch Eurovision. It's highly unlikely that adding more nations will make the national broadcasters raise the fee, especially when in some nations there are already motions to remove or decrease broadcaster fees. Even if they did raise the fees it doesn't matter since you can just cancel the subscription. Everything is streamed online nowadays anyway.
But doesn't this contradict the idea that EBU are corrupt, money-grabbing, fan-exploiting asshats? If people can't go see the contest because of prices, resulting in a half-empty venue then it's pretty much a 100% guarantee that Eurovision won't be hosted outside of Europe. If they go anyway and have to fork over lots of money that's really their choice. Eurovision is luxury, not necessity.
In the end if Eurovision is financially supported by the fans, by me, then I definitely want them to ignore or remove that archaic rule. As you said, it's a democracy and if push came to shove and the public had to vote on this rule, I wonder if the results would be in your favor.
Many countries have cultural bonds with Europe - that doesn't mean they should be allowed to participate in the contest just because of that. If that was the case, then we should invite whole Americas because once upon a time they were European colonies. I know Australia takes this contest seriously, but when EBU invited them they opened Pandora's box.
Turkey, Morocco, Israel and Lebanon are located in the European Broadcasting Area so they are rightfully allowed to take part. Also Turkey is de facto partially European country (because of Eastern Thrace)
cassio
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Well
And seeing the jury running order (Sweden being last and Ukraine being late), I think Australia is a real contender for Victory
Im stickking to the odds for my share of foreign predictions
GermanBango
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Well
And seeing the jury running order (Sweden being last and Ukraine being late), I think Australia is a real contender for Victory
The voting order is random this year
As of right now, I think it's for Dami to lose this one. Everything is indicating that Australia will win this. I'm not opposed to that but we all know that this will raise a lot of eyebrows and even more questions in terms of hosting and the future of the contest. So I'm not sure if an Australian win would be good or bad for the contest, regardless of my own opinion of the song.
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THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS! DAMI IM SO DESERVED TO WIN!!! DON'T WORRY DAMI, YOU ARE THE REAL WINNER!
OBVIOUSLY ALL THOSE UKRAINIAN IMMIGRANTS EVERYWHERE VOTED FOR UKRAINE!
OBVIOUSLY ALL THOSE UKRAINIAN IMMIGRANTS EVERYWHERE VOTED FOR UKRAINE!