ARMENIA 2012 - Not taking part

[Sabiondo]

Re: ARMENIA 2012

I really don't see a reason for such an attitude from the Armenian side Well, I understand very well that we are still in war and we have no diplomatic and economic relations with each other BUT two responsible person namely the President of Public TV and the Minister of Youth and Sport as well as some other officials told about their readiness to guarantee the security for Armenian delegation. moreover they openly invited and welcomed Armenia to take part in the contest in Baku.

The problem is that the Azerbajiani general population still very feellings mixed in this cuestion, besides Aliev was polluters so much hatred for them that not longer can tolerate the Armenians as well, independent of the song and singer.

You must see this this survey in OAGE Azerbaijan page in vkontakte, this talk how much your people wish that they take part.

Furthermore, over the past year there were different visits of state officials, sport and cultural delegations as well as the visit of the Catholicos Garegin II to Azerbaijan. So why now to make all this fuss about security and life risks during the participation at a song contest? :?

p.s. I hope those negative news with no source to be rumours and Armenia takes part in Baku edition of ESC. Let's wait for the official announcement.

Mayber they are desesperate to get more attention that they have , bersides if they confirm, this will be do specially to provoke even more to yours, to try to ruin the peace & fun :twisted:

Sorry Galandar, but this new it from the President of OGAE Armenia (which has connections with Gohar Gasparyan and ARMTV) and there don't have positive in this.. :!::!:

So stay tuned as it ends this drama.

 

[deese]

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it says nothing about our wishes. the question is- Will Armenia participate or not.

 

[Haverdge]

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Wow. Such ignorance.

 

[Galandar]

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Wow. Such ignorance.

Ignorance??? :shock: Where did you see ignorance? :? I never thought answering to a question "Will Armenia participate at Eurovision 2012 in Azerbaijan?" is any ignorance. Furthermore with the ongoing Armenian drama I am really astonished how those 36.4% can be sure that Armenia will be represented in Baku :?

 

[AlekS]

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But the EBU Final date for confirmation of entries is this week (On December 15th) so let see what happens...¡¡¡

Actually it's January 31.
EBU will announce the final list of participants in the 1st-2nd week of January. The 1st draw is set on January 25-26.

 

[Sabiondo]

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Actually it's January 31.

That are the date applying on active membership of the EBU, the final date for confirmation of countries participation is on December 15, as every year far i know.

EBU will announce the final list of participants in the 1st-2nd week of January. The 1st draw is set on January 25-26.

You are right in this one...¡¡¡¡

 

[AlekS]

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the final date for confirmation of countries participation is on December 15, as every year far i know.

And every year they extend it like they did it to Slovakia last year.

 

[Sabiondo]

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And every year they extend it like they did it to Slovakia last year.

The problem with Slovakia last year was that they are undecided or not to participate and the EBU put them on the list and when they decided they the won't, was too late and Slovakia was forced to participate to avoid paying a fine. EBU therefore was extended the time to give them time to think.

 

[Sabiondo]

Re: ARMENIA 2012

Media Review: Why Azerbaijan does not guarantee Armenia?

The Participation of Armenia at the contest "Eurovision 2012" depends on the joint security guarantees from Azerbaijan and Europe in order to avoid repetition of the incident with the Armenian boxers in Baku, said the head of the Armenian delegation at the competition Gohar Gasparyan, in an interview to "Haykakan Zhamanak." According to media reports, in October during the World Championships in Baku, the members of the Armenian national boxing activists threw stones by the so called "Karabakh Liberation Organization." "The problem is in the in security, because all confidently say - you can go and participate, but recent events with boxers - an example of that need serious security guarantees. And just get up and go the whole team - it is impossible, it's not a single person and not a trip for one day. This trip is for 15 days and must be part of a big team, that is, we should be given to all individual guarantees, rather than general statements- said Gasparyan. She is stressed that the Armenian request must respond to the Azeris as well as Europeans. On the question of why Azerbaijan is in no hurry to give assurances of Armenia, Gasparyan said, " I Don't want a headache." The guarantees must be made on a serious level, otherwise you'll have to lock themselves in a room and not out of it. And it will have a negative impact on the singer. We are also responsible for the performer, and for his safety and for health. It is not only a desire to him- she said.

http://inosmi.ru/overview/20111116/177795891.html

 

[Galandar]

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There was a small unsanctioned demonstration but nothing serious and some of those demonstrating people from "Karabakh Liberation Organization" were even captured by police. Of course Mrs. Gohar Gasparyan now uses it as excuse and does not bother herself much to see that the "news" on stone attack was afterwards rejected by Armenian delegation itself.

So if Armenia still puts some claims etc. after having quarantees from state officials including the Apparat of the President, Ministry of Youth and Sport as well as Public TV itself then I wish them better to stay home, as easy as that.

 

[KissMeYouFool]

Re: ARMENIA 2012

Galandar

why do you even bother explaining anything? They are not coming? Good! Let them sit at home and watch it on TV. Who gives a damn about what kind of excuses they are coming up with. It is their problem, not ours

 

[Grinch]

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They're not coming? How shocking

 

[julien4ESC]

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But who cares now about Armenia ? Azerbaidjan makes all what is possible to guarantee their security and they refused everything. Eurovision dosen't need them after all ! Hope they never come back !

 

[A-lister]

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But who cares now about Armenia ? Azerbaidjan makes all what is possible to guarantee their security and they refused everything. Eurovision dosen't need them after all ! Hope they never come back !

Do you work for Azerbaijan or what? How can you know for a fact that they are doing anything possible to guarantee their security?

It could be the other way round aswell, basically Azerbaijan saying they WON'T do what Armenia asked them to, and therefor force Armenia out of the contest that way.

I mean so many experts on Armenia in here, but what if it's the other way round? (hypothetically speaking).

BUT let's not speculate too much, I bet Armenia got their reasons and actually nothing has been confirmed so why draw so much conclusions about something that is still just rumors?

To be honest though, I don't see the point in entering something when you are not actually genuinely welcomed there in the first place?

 

[AlekS]

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^ Don't pay attention, soon he's going to scream that Azerbaijan is a shame

The problem with Slovakia last year was that they are undecided or not to participate and the EBU put them on the list and when they decided they the won't, was too late and Slovakia was forced to participate to avoid paying a fine. EBU therefore was extended the time to give them time to think.

In fact EBU didn't push at anyone and they had extended negotiations with Slovakia so they paid a (reduced) fee lol.
Every year EBU is having additional negotiations.
Like it's been with Bosnia and Ukraine as for our financial problems, like it's been with Slovakia, like it's been with Italy (every damn year) etc.
They are going to negotiate with Armenia until the end

 

[Scooby]

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^ Don't pay attention, soon he's going to scream that Azerbaijan is a shame

You know I really love you

 

[AlekS]

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Anyway, I know certain Armenian officials and I know their attitude so I wouldn't be surprised at all if they refuse... however nothing is sure until EBU announces the final list of participants.

You know I really love you

xromance

 

[GRE]

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With the Armenian national broadcaster yet to clear its position on a participation to Baku Eurovision edition, rumors for Lucia Moon to represent the country in 2012 are risen again. Emmy (2011) has also posted the information on her facebook with the comment “nothing sure yet”. Recently Lucia Moon seems to have confirmed that she and her team are negotiating a Eurovision participation as oikotimes.com posted few weeks ago.

Armenian singer Sona Shahgeldyan has also expressed willingness to represent Armenia in the Eurovision 2011 song contest in Baku. “I will agree to leave for Baku to take part in Eurovision. I know there is a high risk, but for strong people even complicated obstacles are surmountable,” she told reporters on Thursday.

 

[deese]

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^a high risk )) poor girl, our cannibals are waiting for her. :twisted:
nice way to attract someone's attention and if she fails she knows who to blame and justify herself.
please, if you want to to come, do come, if you do not, simply do not and stop this political fuss.

 

[Sabiondo]

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In fact EBU didn't push at anyone and they had extended negotiations with Slovakia so they paid a (reduced) fee lol.
Every year EBU is having additional negotiations.
Like it's been with Bosnia and Ukraine as for our financial problems, like it's been with Slovakia, like it's been with Italy (every damn year) etc.

Sorry but the EBU was to extend the negotiations just for they can't aviod paid a fine and the end the UER was agree to them pay a minimum fee for can take part.

They are going to negotiate with Armenia until the end

That's what they was been doing for the last few months and have not gotten the guarantees they need, if not they already had confirmed, but rather the EBU must to negotiate that with Azerbaijan and Baku Mayor to ensure that, but the main problem is that the main members of İctimai & some Eurovision Organizers opposes that Armenia take part for the snake of the nation - Of course im sure that the EBU will treat them for forced to that the Armenians can go to Baku.

But let see what happens, but if they use same tactics they used against Slovakia last year, i won't be surpriced