FilipFromSweden
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Y'all praise televote. Remember that Russia almost qualified last year with it. Nothing against the country, but that entry...
An Idea to stop "political" voting
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Yes, if Ukraine (who gave 7 to Poland and 3 to Russia) and Armenia f.e. (who most likely would give 10-12 to Russia and 0-4 to Poland) switched the Final, Russia would have been a TV-Qualifier. Or if Kazakhstan would have participated in Semi 2.
Of Course it is. Austria had a great Song and was Victim of the lithuanian/ukrainian and serbian Diasporavoter who stole Cesar tons of Points and prevented him from reaching the Top10. Serbia ended up as 12th/26 with 85-90% guaranteed Points with one of the worst Performances and Vocals. In the Semifinal Poland and Greece were unfairly pushed over the Border while the TV-Numbers prove that Netherlands and Switzerland had more appeal to the real Audience which wouldnt be half as wild if some butthurt Greeks and Greece-Fans wouldnt complain how unfair the Juries mistreated them and instead admitted that they wouldnt have nearly been a TV-Qualifier in a Fair Universum. Sanja Vucic-the biggest Blockvoter in the History- was pushed from a 14th-15th-Placer in the Semifinal to an undeserved 11th-Placer in the Final. Sibel Tüzün stole Kate Ryans Finalspot because of Politicalvoting, Urban Trad is the Real, Diaspora-adjusted Winner of 2003 (although I liked Sertab much more, dont get me wrong), Timebelle couldnt qualify because the Hungarians in Romania and the Serbians in Austria stole them 3 important Points, We could have heard "with 0 Points it is Portugal" this year if the Portuguese People in Switzerland and France couldnt have voted for their own Country etc.. they are a huge Problem. I dont wanna say Juries are the ideal Solution, but political Voting did so much damage in the past and it will in the Future as well.
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Ok, so on what legal basis do you think the EBU could issue such a prohibition?
And further on: How could the EBU execute it? Should they get a private police force that keeps users around the world away from betting sites?
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Oh I‘m quite happy, that juries prevent us from a tsunami of „funny songs“, that are in fact terribly boring
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I hate those debates, tbh.
In 2014, Germany gave his Top 4 scores to neighbouring countries only and there wasn't such a debate like, e.g. Serbia 2018.
Maybe diaspora in Central Europe as well as neighbours voted for the song because they genuinely liked it? - I also voted for Serbia because I'm a sucker for such artsy-fartsy ethno-influenced Balkan sounds and it was the only one left of this field/category when it comes to the grand final... other non-English songs were either contemporary (Slovenia) or a completely different genre (Hungary, Albania)
In 2014, Germany gave his Top 4 scores to neighbouring countries only and there wasn't such a debate like, e.g. Serbia 2018.
Maybe diaspora in Central Europe as well as neighbours voted for the song because they genuinely liked it? - I also voted for Serbia because I'm a sucker for such artsy-fartsy ethno-influenced Balkan sounds and it was the only one left of this field/category when it comes to the grand final... other non-English songs were either contemporary (Slovenia) or a completely different genre (Hungary, Albania)
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I hate this concept of "political voting". I understand and acknowledge that it is present in the contest - with some countries benefitting/being targetted more than others. I also acknowledge that the diaspora factor is present in the overall Eurovision experience, but I think people give it too much credit.
I bet the "political voting" attitude is perpetuated by the broadcasters (like BCC) whose commentators tend to inject their personal cynicism into the contest, and pass the attitude along to everyone else who watches. This whole idea of "it's all political voting" is a part of the greater victim mentality of entitled countries who want to put in the least amount of effort into a song and expect great returns. Then they start hissing when people vote them down or don't react positively to their half-assed effort.
There's also the concept that peoples' tastes and general attitudes towards things like music are fluid and transcend man-made boundaries. Several things account for a populace's musical preferences. All of the countries of the Soviet Union were under the same government and had shared media, music, and pop culture, and a generally common understanding of what constitues "good music". To this day, there are songs and artists that are enjoyed throughout the ex-USSR countries, even with the overtly hostile political situations amongst many of them. Same goes to the former Yugoslavia. In addition to a shared past, there is a large population of people throughout those countries that understand Serbo-Croatian, and it's obvious that you're more likely to like a song in a language you understand than one you don't. Even the Nordics, in my opinion, tend to produce similar types of music and artists with similar aesthetics, and when this manifests itself in Eurovision, you see them giving each other points. The same can be applied to other subjective things like interior design - Nordic countries are more likely to appreciate Scandinavian minimalism in their decor than someone in, say, southern Italy. That does not imply political bias, that just means that peoples who are closer to one another culturally and linguistically are more likely to have their tastes informed by the environment in which they were born and raised/socialized.
The strong performances of several previously-uncompetative Eurovision countries in recent years prove that if an entry ticks all of the right boxes, it will get international support. Never in a million years would I imagine that Portugal would receive Armenia's 12 points, but it happened because Amar Pelos Dois touched millions of people across Europe, and compelled them to vote for the song for its merit. Even the UK was rewarded with Jade's strong showing in 2009, and that was a very competative year.
People need to stop blaming "political voting", and realize that peoples' tastes are informed by things other than their countries' political disposition (like shared culture, language, understanding of what constitutes "good" and "bad") and start putting forward a sincere effort if they want good results/to win.
I bet the "political voting" attitude is perpetuated by the broadcasters (like BCC) whose commentators tend to inject their personal cynicism into the contest, and pass the attitude along to everyone else who watches. This whole idea of "it's all political voting" is a part of the greater victim mentality of entitled countries who want to put in the least amount of effort into a song and expect great returns. Then they start hissing when people vote them down or don't react positively to their half-assed effort.
There's also the concept that peoples' tastes and general attitudes towards things like music are fluid and transcend man-made boundaries. Several things account for a populace's musical preferences. All of the countries of the Soviet Union were under the same government and had shared media, music, and pop culture, and a generally common understanding of what constitues "good music". To this day, there are songs and artists that are enjoyed throughout the ex-USSR countries, even with the overtly hostile political situations amongst many of them. Same goes to the former Yugoslavia. In addition to a shared past, there is a large population of people throughout those countries that understand Serbo-Croatian, and it's obvious that you're more likely to like a song in a language you understand than one you don't. Even the Nordics, in my opinion, tend to produce similar types of music and artists with similar aesthetics, and when this manifests itself in Eurovision, you see them giving each other points. The same can be applied to other subjective things like interior design - Nordic countries are more likely to appreciate Scandinavian minimalism in their decor than someone in, say, southern Italy. That does not imply political bias, that just means that peoples who are closer to one another culturally and linguistically are more likely to have their tastes informed by the environment in which they were born and raised/socialized.
The strong performances of several previously-uncompetative Eurovision countries in recent years prove that if an entry ticks all of the right boxes, it will get international support. Never in a million years would I imagine that Portugal would receive Armenia's 12 points, but it happened because Amar Pelos Dois touched millions of people across Europe, and compelled them to vote for the song for its merit. Even the UK was rewarded with Jade's strong showing in 2009, and that was a very competative year.
People need to stop blaming "political voting", and realize that peoples' tastes are informed by things other than their countries' political disposition (like shared culture, language, understanding of what constitutes "good" and "bad") and start putting forward a sincere effort if they want good results/to win.
Here a good Example of political Voting and how it ruined the Voting.
sends an unknown singer who is no regional Superstar in Yugoslavia with an english languaged americanised western sounding standard Ballad and randomly all countries with huge serbian Diaspora thought it is the best song. Do some people really think "Goodbye" would hit the Musictaste of those Voters as well if this song represented lets say Belgium or Austria? The political Voting around Serbia made her from a Non-Qualifier to an undeserved 11th Placer.
Also suddenly "Shine", an english languaged Popsong written by Greeks and Swedes suddenly reflects EX-UdssRs common Musicculture and the fact that Latvia gave 12 Points to Russia this year has of course nothing to do with the Origin of the Artist but only with the Song etc...
sends an unknown singer who is no regional Superstar in Yugoslavia with an english languaged americanised western sounding standard Ballad and randomly all countries with huge serbian Diaspora thought it is the best song. Do some people really think "Goodbye" would hit the Musictaste of those Voters as well if this song represented lets say Belgium or Austria? The political Voting around Serbia made her from a Non-Qualifier to an undeserved 11th Placer.Also suddenly "Shine", an english languaged Popsong written by Greeks and Swedes suddenly reflects EX-UdssRs common Musicculture and the fact that Latvia gave 12 Points to Russia this year has of course nothing to do with the Origin of the Artist but only with the Song etc...
Ezio
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Political voting cannot be stopped, it can only be sanctioned. I would cut typically political votes in half.
Sabiondo
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you are serious? Europe colonized half-world and this will create a huge problem as well.
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I think you overestimate the interest of people in „other countries except former colonies“ to become televoters in the ESC.
Furthermore - which countries would that be?
You might want to think through an idea before suggesting it as a solution
