An Idea to stop "political" voting

[Realest]

As I said, the Total Juryresult is the Result of 210 individual Results. The Jurymember from f.e. Iceland, Bulgaria, Spain etc.. definitely sat not together on a Table and decided to boycott Ukraine together. Same applies to Russia. Sergey and Jamala were faraway from being runaway Favourites. Lena also probably got around 10-12 0s from 38 Juries. Ell and Nikki probably around 15 0s of 42 Juries. Also lets not forget that Melovin was 10th in the Semi with the Juries, not too faraway from the Televoting (65 vs 114, including Points from Russia and 13/21 Juries), so I cant see any anti-ukrainian Attitude.

Thomas Schreiber from the NDR only mentioned the Host Broadcaster Agreement and that sth like this should never happen again.

We will see how it developes next year. But I still dont think Ukraines Reputation had something to do with the last Jury-Results. Azerbaijan f.e. was 9th 2014 despite the Manipulation-Scandal.

 

[AlekS]

As I said, the Total Juryresult is the Result of 210 individual Results. The Jurymember from f.e. Iceland, Bulgaria, Spain etc.. definitely sat not together on a Table and decided to boycott Ukraine together.

Of course they didn't. Some of them allegedly have their own biased opinion which is based on hate or their ties with our enemy. Not to mention that broadcasters themselves form the juries for a desired outcome.

Thomas Schreiber from the NDR only mentioned the Host Broadcaster Agreement and that sth like this should never happen again.

Didn't he mention that there's nothing against us in that host agreement - we also have our copy and UABC even showed it on camera
The man who revealed it was substituded for another team memeber previously so he's got no reasons to lie because he was opposed to the current UABC officials and I believe him more than everyone else. The EBU tried to mention that paragraph where the host is obliged to give visas to everyone but we had no visas with Russia at the moment. The EBU put our security system lower than their financial risks but it was a revenge for UABC refusal from hosting the show in Odesa where EBU's associated companies could have been involved at the construction works at the stadium... 10 mil. euros loss for their firms.
I'm not saying that the whole EBU was involved - "only" the big fish. They pressured us to abolish even more laws by giving them the stadium which was under arrest. Thus making it impossible to host, milk 10 mil. euros from us and give the contest to Berlin.

Then they introduced the "bail" which is scandalous by itself and means that some hosts (all 3 as of now: Ukraine, Portugal and Israel) are too risky/poor - lets discriminate them for that. It's hard to find money, let's make it even harder for them, sabotage them even more and take their money if they fail

We will see how it developes next year. But I still dont think Ukraines Reputation had something to do with the last Jury-Results. Azerbaijan f.e. was 9th 2014 despite the Manipulation-Scandal.

You know what. Now I want us to be liked by the juries too in order to test how biased they are. Selecting a great entry which is liked by almost everyone should be our #1 priority And then we will look at their points.

 

[Praviluta]

I don't really see a way to impede the diaspora voting, we need to acknowledge it will be always there. However, with the political voting from the jury something should be done and can be done. EBU has enough data to monitorise this and simply warn the jurors who are voting politically. If this happens again maybe some sanctions or any other punishment.

 

[Realest]

I didnt see much political Votes this year except the usual Armenia-Azerbaijan-War etc.. And this cant be prevented, nor does it affect it the scoreboard.

 

[Praviluta]

It's not a matter of affecting the scoreboard but a matter of a clean contest, it can't be that professionals are voting because of political issues. That should not be tolerated.

 

[Pawhlen]

ESC-fans when the juries votes for their favs: "WE LOVE THE JURY, YOU ARE SO GOOD"

ESC-fans when the juries don´t vote for their favs: "go to hell, always this diaspora/political vote, the juries sucks SOOCSOOCSOOCSOOC

 

[midnightsun]

A funny idea would be to do prequalifications by geographical blocs and let the rest vote.

For example: the Scandinavian countries. In a semi-final round, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland and Iceland present their songs. Every other country BUT the Scandinavians votes. The two with the highest number of points will qualify.

This goes on for the rest of European blocs (Ex-Sovjet, Balkan, Western Europe, Mediterranean region...).

In the end we have 2-4 songs of every bloc that qualify for the final. If e.g. Sweden votes for Denmark or Romania for Moldova, it won't affect the results that much.

 

[midnightsun]

Wikipedia (source) has listed the voting patterns throughout the years of some countries in Eurovision. Quite interesting I think.

Russia, for example, has given most of its points to its neighbour countries. But received points also from other countries.

Sweden, for example - it's the other way round. Received points from the neighbour countries but has given the most points also to other countries. Bloc voting does not only exist in the Eastern European countries.

 

[Realest]

Germany also got most of its Points (since 75) from Switzerland, but that doesnt make those Points Political, since those Points arent guaranteed like 2005, 2009 and 2015 f.e. proves.
The Same can be said about the Nordics. The fact that f.e. Anja got 0 Points from the Neighbour-TVs and Rasmussen 0 Points from the Neighbourjuries proves that there is not (anymore) a highpolitical unfair Votingblock in the Nordic. They give each other all different amount of Points between 0-12 depending on the Songquality, what the initial thought of this Songcontest used to be. But Serbia for example has always gotten 12 Points from Montenegro and always 10-12 (mostly 12) from every other Neighbour-Televoting nomatter what the Song is. And this makes those Points highpolitical and unfair, since its statistically unlikely to always have Serbia in its Top2 nomatter what the Song is.

 

[RomanFromRussia]

The only way to stop political voting is to increase the number of voters. This can be easily solved with an app like in Melodifestivalen. In this case diaspora votes will not be that influenceable.

 

[AlekS]

The only way to stop political voting is to increase the number of voters. This can be easily solved with an app like in Melodifestivalen. In this case diaspora votes will not be that influenceable.

The number of political votes will increase proportionally Voting/the app is like a PH indicator, a tool which reveals society's preferences. Change the society, not the tool. If an app is more popular among youngsters it doesn't mean that younger audience is less political, not here at least.

 

[RomanFromRussia]

The number of political votes will increase proportionally Voting/the app is like a PH indicator, a tool which reveals society's preferences. Change the society, not the tool. If an app is more popular among youngsters it doesn't mean that younger audience is less political, not here at least.

I think Lithuania gets so much votes from Ireland, UK and Norway just because ratings of ESC is not that high in this countries.

 

[AlekS]

I think Lithuania gets so much votes from Ireland, UK and Norway just because ratings of ESC is not that high in this countries.

Ireland - 52% share, 690 000 viewers
Norway - 84%, 1 300 000 viewers
the UK - 6 900 000 viewers.

But we still need MOAR!

Big countries with developed TV/I-net market like the UK, France, Germany etc. will be destined to have lower viewing figures (percentage-wise) than Cyprus, Iceland or Norway, for instance.

 

[ESCConor]

Understand where your coming from but I think its a bad idea.

 

[Alaska49]

it's kind of comforting to know that months come and go and some people continue to be 100% batshit insane, i guess

anyway we should have 100% televoting again they do a good job

 

[Realest]

This Thread was not about getting rid of the Juries, but getting rid of political Voting.
Expanding the Pointsystem is the most obvious Solution, but unfortunately will never happen.

 

[Sammy]

Any system can be misused. I think the EBU should be stricter, when it comes to obvious bias. Like: Two countries that both are at the top of the odds don't give ANY points to the other one. That is a phenomenon that we see arise the more the odds become more and more important in the pre-contest discussions.

 

[Realest]

The EBU should forbid the Existence of Betting Odds to solve this Problem. Btw. the Cypriot and the Bulgarian Juries were totally right back then.

 

[Sammy]

The EBU should forbid the Existence of Betting Odds to solve this Problem. Btw. the Cypriot and the Bulgarian Juries were totally right back then.

You‘re not serious, are you? Would you want to live in a world, where an organization like the EBU decides over things like gambling? Betting odds may have an effect on the ESC but the right to gamble (even if I donkt support that) is a free choice in a free secoety, don‘t you think?

 

[Realest]

You‘re not serious, are you? Would you want to live in a world, where an organization like the EBU decides over things like gambling? Betting odds may have an effect on the ESC but the right to gamble (even if I donkt support that) is a free choice in a free secoety, don‘t you think?

Its the EBUs Contest so they should have the right to forbid gambling about their own contest. Nowadays they have a too high impact on the Results and get too much Attention, so yes, Im Serious.