An Idea to stop "political" voting

[MonkeyJaw]

Well, for Ireland, UK and Norway you'd have to impose the rule that they can't vote for Lithuania.

These are Norway's televotes to Lithuania the last five years.

2014: 12 (semi-final)
2015: 6 (10 in semi-final)
2016: 12
2017: 10 (semi-final)
2018: 12

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[Realest]

The EBU should invent the Diaspora-Inflation. It might work like this. The EBU could for example take the Swiss Televoting and then delete:

60% of all Votes to Serbia
45% of all Votes to Albania
40% of all Votes to Italy
30% of all Votes to Portugal
20% of all Votes to Kroatia
15% of all Votes to Germany etc...

The EBU knows the complete TV-Figures so they should calculate some Fair Percentages based on the History to make sure that f.e. the Swiss Televoter give similar Televotes to Serbia like other Western European Countries with similar Musictaste and no Serbian Diaspora (Malta, Spain, Belgium f.e.)

 

[Ezio]

The EBU should invent the Diaspora-Inflation. It might work like this. The EBU could for example take the Swiss Televoting and then delete:

60% of all Votes to Serbia
45% of all Votes to Albania
40% of all Votes to Italy
30% of all Votes to Portugal
20% of all Votes to Kroatia
15% of all Votes to Germany etc...

The EBU knows the complete TV-Figures so they should calculate some Fair Percentages based on the History to make sure that f.e. the Swiss Televoter give similar Televotes to Serbia like other Western European Countries with similar Musictaste and no Serbian Diaspora (Malta, Spain, Belgium f.e.)

I was thinking about it too.

Austria gave 12 points to Serbia from 2004 to 2007, 12 points to Bosnia in 2011, 10 points to Serbia in 2012. By 2014, TV ratings are so high in Austria for Eurovision, that the diaspora power in televoting got subdued, but in Switzerland is still significant. Without Switzerland in the final, only Albanians and Serbs are interested in the show and will vote.

Serbia's televote is almost identical in 2016 and 2018, no one voted for them except a handful of countries but with top marks.

 

[Pawhlen]

I was thinking about it too.

Austria gave 12 points to Serbia from 2004 to 2007, 12 points to Bosnia in 2011, 10 points to Serbia in 2012. By 2014, TV ratings are so high in Austria for Eurovision, that the diaspora power in televoting got subdued, but in Switzerland is still significant. Without Switzerland in the final, only Albanians and Serbs are interested in the show and will vote.

Serbia's televote is almost identical in 2016 and 2018, no one voted for them except a handful of countries but with top marks.

Which made them end up in 11th and 12th in the televoting. and ended up 10th with almost only diaspora votes this year

 

[Realest]

Which made them end up in 11th and 12th in the televoting. and ended up 10th with almost only diaspora votes this year

As I said, and are the only Countries with lithuanian Diaspora, Estonia gave five 0s and one 12 in 15 years, so these Votes are fair ad unpolitical and Georgia might be a political Ally, but those Points dont come from lithuanians, so "only" 48/91 Points (52.7%) came from Diasporahousing-Countries. In Regard that the Biggest TV in the World () also gave 4 Points to makes Lithuanias Points almost fair.

 

[Ezio]

Which made them end up in 11th and 12th in the televoting. and ended up 10th with almost only diaspora votes this year

Lithuania did do worse in the past. I voted for them a lot and I am not Lithuanian diaspora. It's not like they have 10th place locked up.

 

[blue00eyes]

We should not vote at all if we want to avoid diaspora and friendly voting. It's a part of it. Televotes = money

I'm fed up with " has 100pts guaranteed", " 100% qualifier" " gets points only from diaspora" etc etc

 

[Realest]

Yes, but the Idea of the Songcontest was to vote for the best Song and not for the own Country. And Televoting in the Current Form is not fair and there are so many possibilities to make it fairer. There are enough Examples where Diasporavoter stole other Countries Finalspots. Switzerland would have qualified the last 2 years for example etc..

 

[blue00eyes]

It was never about the song only, it's about the whole package and something extra that no one else has. Switzerland should blame no one else but themselves for picking songs that wouldn't qualify. If the song was good it would've qualified from whatever spot or semifinal

 

[Realest]

Its not that easy. Russia and Serbia can end up Top10 in the Final-TV, with an ok Song while Switzerland wouldnt have qualified with the Same Song. Televoting (in the Current Form) is only Fair when it comes to the Top7-8, but later its becoming partly extremely unfair. Timebelle f.e. would have gotten 12 instead 10 Points from RO if the Hungarians living there wouldnt have voted for their own Country and 3 instead of 2 Points from AT if the Serbians Living there wouldnt have voted for their own Countries. The Diasporavoter stole Timebelle important 3 Points which prevented them from qualifying. Also f.e. Sibel Tüzün and Sanja Vucic stole Kate Ryan and (probably) Ivans Finalspot because of the unfair Diasporavoter.

 

[blue00eyes]

I agree that the name of a country counts but it always was like this and it's impossible to obtain rules that will determine 100% fair and true results. As I said sone time ago, what happens in the bottom of ranking is pure randomness you should care less. The winner takes it all

Speaking of Timebelle, I struggle to remember the song, I do remember the yellow chicken dress though, wasn't her song boring? I didn't like it at all, if she had better show, she would have make it no matter how diaspora voted.

 

[Realest]

I agree that the name of a country counts but it always was like this and it's impossible to obtain rules that will determine 100% fair and true results.

This is where I agree. But still, I think there are very easy and uncomplicated ways to improve voting and make it at least a bit more fair.

As I said sone time ago, what happens in the bottom of ranking is pure randomness you should care less. The winner takes it all

This is where I disagree. Eurovision is not only about Winning, but also about qualifying and getting a fair result. This graphic shows clearly how and were disadvantaged by the Diasporavoting.

And this Graphic shows how the Grandfinal Televoting could look like if Diasporavoting could extremely be reduced (not prevented though):

 

[Ezio]

Maybe but of the charm and the intrigue (or the accepted downside) of song contest is that is not a perfectly levelled playin field and it never will be.

When EBU is pushing Kazakhstan and Kosovo to join ESC, it is not for ESC to become fairer, because Russia, Serbia and Albania would even enjoy more advantage, but it is for ESC to become bigger and generate more money.

For Switzerland and Austria it will remain an uphill battle and the only thing they could do is to try as hard as possible to make an impact. It eventually worked already.

 

[Realest]

Kosovo hates Serbia. But yes, Albania would become Top5 in the Diaspora-Ranking and Russias Lead would increase.

 

[Ezio]

Kosovo hates Serbia. But yes, Albania would become Top5 in the Diaspora-Ranking and Russias Lead would increase.

In Kosovo there is a big Serbian city called Mitrovica. Guess where their votes would go?

 

[Realest]

In Kosovo there is a big Serbian city called Mitrovica. Guess where their votes would go?

Oh no, then Im also against Kosovo at ESC. I wish Countries like Gibraltar, Farore Islands, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg etc.. with the right/no Diasporas could join ESC.

 

[blartashura]

In Kosovo there is a big Serbian city called Mitrovica. Guess where their votes would go?

Technically speaking the city mentioned is not big, nor has a Serb majority BUT there is a problem. The cities with majority Serbs don't use Kosovo's mobile phone services which would cause them a lot of problem to vote in Kosovo if we ever get a chance to participate.

But yeah Albania would definitely get always 12 points no matter what just like Greece-Cyprus voting but I don't think Serbia would manage to get more than 3 points from Kosovo.

 

[Pawhlen]

Realest new scoring system for televoting and juries seems too be the only way to keep both juries and televoting having same power and at the same time eliminate the diaspora votes to 85%

 

[Himan]

Saying Liechtenstein doesn't has a diaspora is stupid, I feel. (Just like the other once) Of course it's not as strong as Kosovo's, but we shouldn't stop them. It just seems wrong.

 

[Realest]

Saying Liechtenstein doesn't has a diaspora is stupid, I feel. (Just like the other once) Of course it's not as strong as Kosovo's, but we shouldn't stop them. It just seems wrong.

Yes, but at least Liechtenstein has the right Diasporas, so that Austria, Switzerland and Germany also might start with guaranteed Points.