СРБИЈА - Serbia 2010 - Milan Stanković - Ovo je Balkan

[Interrail]

Re: ?????? - Serbia 2010 - Milan Stankovi? - Ovo je Balkan

Yeah, terrible news about Ksenija Pajcin and Filip Kapisoda. Regardless of being her fan or not, it's always shame and a big lose when young ppl die.

@Hechicera
I'd appreciate anything what is worth (in my opinion and taste), whatever cultural/subcultural milieu it comes from Some ppl in ESC forum really r...only into Eurovision, but some ppl r interesten in other stuff too. Not only me. I'm glad u also appreciate this film!
We have good composers, we have good singers and bands, so what's the hold-up?
Well...maybe RTS simply don't want to win ESC again, LOL. Just think about it - it would mean hell of extra job for RTS (when RTS prefer to be lazy), and very big cost (when RTS prefer to finance Mir Jam novels...)... I guess in next 5 years...last thing that RTS would like is to host ESC again. Hehe.

@Iluzionista
Tijanic <seljacina>...lol. And I remember recently, Tijanic called one politician 'seoski drekavac' or 'vodenicarski drekavac' (not sure), but same can be said for Tijanic :selfportrait:

 

[hechicera]

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@Interrail
OMG, you've hacked into my brain!!! RTS not wanting to win ESC again - my thoughts exactly. If we win ESC again, Tijani? would be like: "Whaaat? Again? You mean I have to wear a tie??? Nah, let's call Bregovi? to cook something so we wouldn't stand a chance!"
And as for RTS's projects (you know that "RTS proudly presents... yadda yadda yadda") such as Mir Jam's novels and "Selo gori" and stuff - I better censor my thoughts. This is a forum of polite and well-mannered people. I like to think of myself as one of those.

 

[Milos-BC]

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It's horrible what happened to Ksenija yesterday I was totally shocked when i found out. He killed her, because he was jealous, and then he killed himself R.I.P. both, it's such a tragedy. And i remember when they had an accident more than a month ago actually, and Ksenija said "No, it's not Filip's fault, the road was bad.......i'm happy that i'm alive "....

Now, back to the topic.

Herichera

Well, I guess I've bashed our national selection (:sigh enough on my blog (yeah, I am THAT shameless self-promoting blogger ), but there's something that I would really love to point out once again...

I do respect other people's opinion obviously, but i think you are going too far. And i don't see ANY reason to bash either RTS or Bregovic, or Milan.......or anyone. I don't see anyone who is disappointed with the choice (i don't count those people who are generalising that if i support Milan, i am automatically a Grand fan), and this is the first time after 2004 that there wasn't ANY scandal. You may like Bregovic or not, you may like what he wrote or not.......in the end, you can support Milan or not, it's your free will, but you simply can't deny that RTS didn't give a damn about our result this year. The audience has selected their favorite, and that's the end. I also prefer pop music, and i was rooting for Kornelije to be our composer this year, but i am very satisfied with Bregovic as well. He is worldwide famous, and they didn't pick someone who can't write anything. Next year maybe they will choose someone "urban". And it's totally wrong to have such a negative opinion to everything coming from RTS imo.

Look, as long as I remember, I've been a fan of Eurovision. Seriously. My earliest memories are somehow related to ESC. And, in spite of what you might think, I have nothing against ethnic elements in song. For crying out loud, one of my favorite ESC song is "Quien maneja mi barca".
But there has to be a limit. I mean come on! Eurovision is supposed to be a pop-festival. As we say in Serbia, a festival of "light notes". None of these 3 songs are even remotely suitable for a contest such as Eurovision. Above it all, all 3 songs were THE SAME. Uptempo, ridiculous, pathetic and... IMHO, idiotic.

That's your opinion, not the fact. Any song is suitable for ESC.........ANY. There are NO limits, and ESC isn't a festival of "easy notes" like it used to be before (thank God ). I like to hear anything that is a bit different and diverse, not just pop, rock or europop. The songs were not same at all, they were different enough not to be same, and i told you, EVERYTHING is for ESC. Look at Lordi in 2006. And Urban Trad in 2003, when such ethnic songs weren't common for ESC.

One can trivialize ESC as much as he/she wants, but it still is a spectacle with huge audience and press coverage. And not only that we didn't send a suitable pop song (God knows we have good singers and bands), but we sent something that we should be... well, ashamed of. I am sorry to say, if we really want to promote our country the best way we can - this is not the way to do it.

If you feel the need to be ashamed because we didn't send a pop entry, i can't help there. I will only come back to the begining, and told you that the audience chosen their favorite. And that most people are satisfied with Bregovic, and that's it.

But if Milan qualifies to the final, don't say that you actually liked the song, and that he totally deserved it

 

[hechicera]

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@Milos-BC

OK, I see I need to be more precise... Here it goes.

The audience has selected their favorite, and that's the end.

The audience had to chose between 3 identical songs. Here's an example: if you ever came to my place for, say, lunch, you would have to chose between 3 vegan dishes, because I don't eat meat, I only eat veggies. And that's really awesome if you happened to be vegan just like me. But, if you like to eat meat, you would still pick something to eat, right? Or you wouldn't eat at all. So, you'd have to be vegan for one day. Either by will, or by circumstance.

I am not going to "bash" Milan (I just said that he had a charizma of an eggplant, and I stick to it ), because I couldn't possibly care about him or the music he promotes.

But be sure that I am going to bash both Bregovi? and RTS because they deserve it. 3 songs that he "composed" are rubbish in every possible way. And not to mention lyrics.

in the end, you can support Milan or not, it's your free will, but you simply can't deny that RTS didn't give a damn about our result this year.

Dude, Bregovi? himself stated that he composed songs for people in Serbia, not for the taste of Eurosong audience. Of course, one can argue what is really the taste of Eurosong audience, but whatever it is - Bregovi? doesn't care. He put those 3 songs together in a few days and he chose singers using YouTube (I guess that's what the world's best composers do, riiiight?)... Come on.

EVERYTHING is for ESC. Look at Lordi in 2006. And Urban Trad in 2003, when such ethnic songs weren't common for ESC.

Oh, really? Awesome. Let's send Sejo Kala? next year, shall we? I mean, why not? Or, even better, let's not have Beovizijas at all anymore. All we need is Gu?a. Whoever wins, he gets to represent us. It would be a tough competition, since there are soooo many brass orchestras all over Serbia.

And the reason I really got so mad is that Grand Production and it's toxic waste became acclaimed this way. And not only that it received it's praise by national broadcaster, it managed to taint the only remaining pop thing in Serbian music scene. Grand singers tried before to win Beovizija, but they never succeeded. Might I remind you, last year - it's not the public who sent a folk song to Moscow - it was the jury. This year - it wasn't the public who chose Bregovi?.

It's simple. Two years in a row, a rubbish folksy song has been imposed unto us. If we had Beovizija with 19 different songs of various styles + this rubbish, I can assure you that Serbian audience would pick something else.

I hope I made myself clear this time.

Oh, one more thing:

But if Milan qualifies to the final, don't say that you actually liked the song, and that he totally deserved it

Look, the only way that the Blondy Bang is getting into final is by magic of diaspora and neighbours.
And my convictions are really strong. As if they were carved in stone. Like Scarlett O'Hara once said, "I swear I will ALWAYS hate Grand and all it represents!"

 

[Milos-BC]

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I need to be more precise as well

The audience had to chose between 3 identical songs. Here's an example: if you ever came to my place for, say, lunch, you would have to chose between 3 vegan dishes, because I don't eat meat, I only eat veggies. And that's really awesome if you happened to be vegan just like me. But, if you like to eat meat, you would still pick something to eat, right? Or you wouldn't eat at all. So, you'd have to be vegan for one day. Either by will, or by circumstance.

Well, they could've made an 100% internal choice, and select Milan internally for example (or Emina for that matter), and select the song internally for him as well. Some countries use completely internal way of choosing the entrant(Turkey for example), and i don't see anyone complaining. Again, you have the right to like it or not, but that's the way it goes.

But be sure that I am going to bash both Bregovi? and RTS because they deserve it. 3 songs that he "composed" are rubbish in every possible way. And not to mention lyrics.

The only thing you are objective about here are the lyrics. They are trashy, but that's not important on ESC at all. Take a look at Rybak's lyrics, and try to find some sense there.

Dude, Bregovi? himself stated that he composed songs for people in Serbia, not for the taste of Eurosong audience. Of course, one can argue what is really the taste of Eurosong audience, but whatever it is - Bregovi? doesn't care.

He said that he composed them for the people in Serbia yes, his goal is for them to be liked here, and then he hopes that they will be liked by the European audience

He put those 3 songs together in a few days and he chose singers using YouTube (I guess that's what the world's best composers do, riiiight?)... Come on.

You REALLY believe he didn't have anything ready for the contest from before? In other words, you think he was invited in January? I don't think so, i believe the choice was made even in December last year. And how would you select the singers, by which criteria(other than vocals, perforiming skills, etc.....)?

Oh, really? Awesome. Let's send Sejo Kala? next year, shall we?

Don't put him in the same league with Milan, Emina and Oliver (and Bregovic)

Or, even better, let's not have Beovizijas at all anymore.

I support that. Who needs it

And the reason I really got so mad is that Grand Production and it's toxic waste became acclaimed this way. And not only that it received it's praise by national broadcaster, it managed to taint the only remaining pop thing in Serbian music scene. Grand singers tried before to win Beovizija, but they never succeeded. Might I remind you, last year - it's not the public who sent a folk song to Moscow - it was the jury. This year - it wasn't the public who chose Bregovi?

That is all true, except it's not praised by the RTS at all, and second, Milan didn't even plan to compete in a ESC NF, never, until he got invited. And also, not everything that comes from Grand is bad and toxic as you say.

It's simple. Two years in a row, a rubbish folksy song has been imposed unto us. If we had Beovizija with 19 different songs of various styles + this rubbish, I can assure you that Serbian audience would pick something else.

That would be the same like claiming that we would have chosen something else if we had no "Cipela" on Beovizija last year, or if we had totally different songs. Dreaming is one thing, reality is another.

Look, the only way that the Blondy Bang is getting into final is by magic of diaspora and neighbours.
And my convictions are really strong. As if they were carved in stone. Like Scarlett O'Hara once said, "I swear I will ALWAYS hate Grand and all it represents!"

Well, the most negative comments are comming from the Serbian audience as far as i see. Not everyone likes the song, but our people are the ones who spit on it the most. The diaspora didn't help us last time + we got votes from counties that we don't get points that often. But this year, i am sure it will qualify

 

[hechicera]

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@Milos-BC

Of couse. RTS is the member of EBU, not me, not you. Tijani? has the right to do whatever he wants. He can even send Radoš Baji? with the cast of "Selo gori". But by doing this, he makes the whole thing less "democratic". It's like communism. "You can chose whoever you want, but we get to decide who the candidates are". But since Tijani? is kinda despotic type of guy (haha), I wouldn't be surprised at all.

He said that he composed them for the people in Serbia yes, his goal is for them to be liked here, and then he hopes that they will be liked by the European audience

Sooo, in other words "All I care is that people in Serbia like it, and when it comes to ESC, que sera, sera?" LOL.

You REALLY believe he didn't have anything ready for the contest from before?

Well, those songs surely sound as if they were put together in a Sunday afternoon. I don't know when that Sunday afternoon was (maybe in 2001, when we still had Navy, ey? ), but they lack quality. On second thought, I honestly cannot remember the last time Goran composed a pop song.

Don't put him in the same league with Milan, Emina and Oliver (and Bregovic)

Why not? Few days in Miki Panjkovi?'s hands, and he'll become totally acceptable.

That would be the same like claiming that we would have chosen something else if we had no "Cipela" on Beovizija last year, or if we had totally different songs. Dreaming is one thing, reality is another.

The reality is that OT Band were the people's choice, with or without "Cipela". Rock music triumphed over folksy rubbish. And that sums it all up. RTS knew what they will be getting when they chose Bregovic - in other words, they wanted this type of "song" to be the winning one in NF. Just like the Jury (appointed by RTS) chose "Cipela".

Well, the most negative comments are comming from the Serbian audience as far as i see. Not everyone likes the song, but our people are the ones who spit on it the most.

Of course. Why should I be so emotional because the Turks cannot chose their entry via televoting?

 

[Hrvatska19]

Re: ?????? - Serbia 2010 - Milan Stankovi? - Ovo je Balkan

Hechicera- u say that if beovizija took place with 19diffeeent songs and styles the results would be different..hmmm maybe! Altho I personally think that if milan was to go in this beovizija there'd be a good chance he'd win! No one here whether fans or haters can deny the success Grand have!!! I personally am a fan of it! Give me them over anything any day but I'm not just saying this because of it..Milan is quite popular! Altho I do agree that he has no charisma! I met him and saw him in concert and all he cared about is his hair (which isn't even good to begin with)

but this is such a good song!

 

[andreaaaaa]

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This is ok song. When I heard it for the first time I admit I hated it, but now... I realize it's not that bad.

 

[Interrail]

Re: ?????? - Serbia 2010 - Milan Stankovi? - Ovo je Balkan

First of all: OchillO

Then...
@Milos
I agree, no Beovizija = No scandals + money would be saved (I understand they will pay for the 'safe houses', humanitarian stuff etc, which is great).
Serbian song can be chosen more easily and less expensive, like this year. Just bring singers in studio, and let audience vote. Although I'm not completely against Bregovic (and I do like many many of his works and I like trumpets), I think it would be more democratic and more fair if RTS offered few different composers with few different music styles - not only ethno style. Even 3 songs would be enough, but not same style.
Maybe it's true that Serbian members criticize Bregovic most, but maybe it's because we understand the system better then, let's say..German members. I think this year is improvement in selection (we got rid of juries, now only audience choose, but choice is poor), if some ppl feel so - they should criticize RTS, why not. Critics r healthy and it can help a lot. In future, maybe it will make RTS to offer variety of songs. It will not harm our result in any way.

@Hechicera
I also felt that now RTS opened its door to Grand production, but it was just matter of time, really. My advice: simply get over it. I must say I don't think all Grand singers r pure crap, some of them can sing (just my personal impression), but they're so cheap and insulting in a way...Anyway that all doesn't matter!
What matter is - possibility to have real choice to pick a song, like in a supermarket.
I don't mind Grand taking part at all, as long as we have few different genres, few different kinds of singers and songs. RTS shouldn't ignore the fact that Grand exists (which they don't ignore anymore, as we can see), but RTS also shouldn't ignore the fact that just as many ppl like other kind of music: rock/pop/electro/house/etc (which RTS pretty much ignore all the time).

This year we had 3 songs, but 1 style. I think it devalues the idea of choice. I know Milan won 100% fairly, that's clear, no scandals about that, but I still think there was lacking of choice.
RTS must improve quality of choice in future, that's all I say.
I know some countries have internal selection, and ok...if it works for them, I don't care. I know I would never support it in Serbia. We should come up with most fair and most transparent way of selection, and most of us would be happy. It's very simple.

@Andreaaaaa
I agree song is not that bad (I don't think it deserved 40 zeros, for example), but 'being not that bad' is not so good either And u liked it after few listening, other ppl will hear it only once (during Eurovision), would they like it at the 1st sight? Enough to send sms? I think not. But they'll have choice of 40 songs (pretty much all poor songs, but still a choice).

My prediction in short: Milan will qualify, it might be even top 10, due to the fact that this is disastrous year in ESC.

 

[Borderline]

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http://www.escnation.com/index.php?section=2&id=679

 

[Milos-BC]

Re: ?????? - Serbia 2010 - Milan Stankovi? - Ovo je Balkan

Of couse. RTS is the member of EBU, not me, not you. Tijani? has the right to do whatever he wants. He can even send Radoš Baji? with the cast of "Selo gori". But by doing this, he makes the whole thing less "democratic". It's like communism. "You can chose whoever you want, but we get to decide who the candidates are". But since Tijani? is kinda despotic type of guy (haha), I wouldn't be surprised at all.

That's true, but it doesn't say that it has to be "democratic". I gave you the example of Turkey, they are not the only example. Belgium chose their entry in the same way. The national broadcaster chose the performer, and then the song. I don't see what's the problem there. Every TV station (responsible for ESC) has the right to select the entry in the way THEY want to. Like it or not. ESC is a competition of TV stations, and then "songs and countries".

Sooo, in other words "All I care is that people in Serbia like it, and when it comes to ESC, que sera, sera?" LOL.

He didn't say he doesn't care. His primal goal is diaspora, and then the other countries. So far, all performers that represented us in ESC followed this same logic, nothing new. They were promoting their songs in Croatia, Montenegro, Bosnia........where we will get points surely, so indeed i think it's much better to make a promotion in Estonia, Lithuania........countries that don't give us points at all, or a few. So, it's not something new like you think it is.

Well, those songs surely sound as if they were put together in a Sunday afternoon. I don't know when that Sunday afternoon was (maybe in 2001, when we still had Navy, ey? ), but they lack quality. On second thought, I honestly cannot remember the last time Goran composed a pop song.

The reality is that OT Band were the people's choice, with or without "Cipela". Rock music triumphed over folksy rubbish. And that sums it all up. RTS knew what they will be getting when they chose Bregovic - in other words, they wanted this type of "song" to be the winning one in NF. Just like the Jury (appointed by RTS) chose "Cipela".

If we keep this system for next year ( i am almost sure we will), and RTS selects someone who is more "urban" and he selects someone from OT to perform one of his songs, i am sure he would stand out in the same way Milan did now. Yes, RTS knew what they would get when they invite Bregovic, and i hope you didn't expect him to write a pop/rock entry? It would be like if Lordi wrote a song like the one Dima Bilan had that year on ESC, because rock isn't for ESC....

The point is, that you don't have to support it like i said, but you don't have to bash it on every occasion. I didn't like "Cipela" either, but i didn't come here to trash it. It was an ok song for our market i mean, not for ESC. If you don't like it, we got it, you don't have to write all kind of things in which you mostly overreact.

agree, no Beovizija = No scandals + money would be saved (I understand they will pay for the 'safe houses', humanitarian stuff etc, which is great).
Serbian song can be chosen more easily and less expensive, like this year. Just bring singers in studio, and let audience vote. Although I'm not completely against Bregovic (and I do like many many of his works and I like trumpets), I think it would be more democratic and more fair if RTS offered few different composers with few different music styles - not only ethno style. Even 3 songs would be enough, but not same style.
Maybe it's true that Serbian members criticize Bregovic most, but maybe it's because we understand the system better then, let's say..German members. I think this year is improvement in selection (we got rid of juries, now only audience choose, but choice is poor), if some ppl feel so - they should criticize RTS, why not. Critics r healthy and it can help a lot. In future, maybe it will make RTS to offer variety of songs. It will not harm our result in any way.

I agree, a system with more than 1 composer works good, and i hope they will do that next year

 

[wittgenstein]

Re: ?????? - Serbia 2010 - Milan Stankovi? - Ovo je Balkan

this is getting better and better. add some more bass and then its a perfect 10*

 

[AlekS]

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I agree with Mios. Imo RTS needs changes.

 

[hechicera]

Re: ?????? - Serbia 2010 - Milan Stankovi? - Ovo je Balkan

@Milos-BC

That's true, but it doesn't say that it has to be "democratic". I gave you the example of Turkey, they are not the only example. Belgium chose their entry in the same way.

And in Afghanistan, punishment for woman who cheated on her husband is stoning to death. What's your point? From the very first Beovizija, it was the audience who made the final decision. Last year, we had scandal because of the jury. And, once again I remind you, the jury was appointed by RTS. RTS. RTS. (That's me emphasizing. RTS).

He didn't say he doesn't care. His primal goal is diaspora, and then the other countries.

In other words, he wrote song for our neighbours and diaspora? That makes it so much better. You know, since the fact is that Lordi won because their "condescending" song. Rybak as well. What I've been trying to say is that he didn't write the songs that stand a chance to win. Mind you, diaspora and neighbours are just not enough anymore. Fortunately.

If we keep this system for next year ( i am almost sure we will), and RTS selects someone who is more "urban" and he selects someone from OT to perform one of his songs, i am sure he would stand out in the same way Milan did now. Yes, RTS knew what they would get when they invite Bregovic, and i hope you didn't expect him to write a pop/rock entry? It would be like if Lordi wrote a song like the one Dima Bilan had that year on ESC, because rock isn't for ESC....

Why do you keep writing urban with quotation marks?
RTS shouldn't pick an urban composer, he should give opportunity to everyone who think that can offer a winning song, that's it.
Look, of course I didn't expect Goran to write anything but this folksy trash, and that's the point. From the moment RTS picked him to do the job, it was clear as a day that we will send folk song to Oslo. That's what bothers me. Can't you see what I'm trying to say? For all I care, let him compete, but with other composers and different musical genres. It's like Tijani? decided: "This year we're sending ethno song and that's it".

After all, don't you think that you're a bit overreacting when it comes to scandals on Beovizija? Seljko's "Lane moje" is dangerously close to plagiarism. Last year it was the jury that screwed all up. I honestly cannot remember that much fuss when Marija and Jelena won. Of course, there will always be some people that are not entirely satisfied with the chosen song. But as long as we get to chose between various musical genres, singers, bands and composers, it's fine with me.

(I for one wanted Trkulja to win (because his song was not some cheap etno, but authentic Serbian sound with orchestral elements - and Slobodan nailed it totally!), but I didn't bash "Molitva". Why should I, it's a nice song. Also, I thought that BQ are much better solution than Jelena's "Oro", but that's OK.)

The point is, that you don't have to support it like i said, but you don't have to bash it on every occasion.

Sooo, you mean I have every right to hate it, but I should keep my negative comments to myself because they might do some damage?
Well thank you, although I don't think that I am that influential.

 

[Milos-BC]

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You still don't understand

And in Afghanistan, punishment for woman who cheated on her husband is stoning to death. What's your point? From the very first Beovizija, it was the audience who made the final decision. Last year, we had scandal because of the jury. And, once again I remind you, the jury was appointed by RTS. RTS. RTS. (That's me emphasizing. RTS).

What does Afghanistan has to do with all this? And the thing you're mentioning? The audience had the final word here as well, but you just don't want to accept it. It wasn't the audience who chose the entries for Beovizija but the jury of RTS as well. And now RTS selected Bregovic as well, and they selected the performers and he wrote the songs, and let the AUDIENCE ONLY to decide. So i still don't see what's the problem in this, and what was non-democratic beside the fact i told you in the previous post and gave you 2 examples, which you ignored and began talking about Afghanistan and stoning to death. And i said that i support multi-composer format as well. But you seem to have problems with something way wider than that.

the fact is that Lordi won because their "condescending" song. Rybak as well. What I've been trying to say is that he didn't write the songs that stand a chance to win. Mind you, diaspora and neighbours are just not enough anymore. Fortunately.

You think the only goal for taking part in ESC is winning? Well sorry, but i love the fact that the doors are actually opened for Pink and Grand singers finally, as they did have some good songs on Beovizija's (i exclude "Mambo Jambo Serbiano" from this story), and imo, it's more important to send something different and maybe fail, than keep sending the same ordinary stuff. And speaking of trash, i told you ESC is not the festival where some extremely good and songs with quality are competing. It's pure fun. You see, "Qele Qele", "Apricot Stone", "Dum Tek Tek" are also trashy, but look at their results? Did their lyrics look much "better" than this? They all sound like they came from Grand production as well, and in comprasion to this, nobody was ashamed there to send such a "trashy" entry, like some people (like you) are here.

RTS shouldn't pick an urban composer, he should give opportunity to everyone who think that can offer a winning song, that's it.
Look, of course I didn't expect Goran to write anything but this folksy trash, and that's the point. From the moment RTS picked him to do the job, it was clear as a day that we will send folk song to Oslo. That's what bothers me. Can't you see what I'm trying to say? For all I care, let him compete, but with other composers and different musical genres. It's like Tijani? decided: "This year we're sending ethno song and that's it".

I do understand what you are saying, but i again don't agree. And i will now give you a third example - Bosnia and Herzegovina. When they selected Vukasin and the entry, we knew it will be a ballad, even though they had a ballad in 2009, 2007 and 2006 as well. So.......did anyone complain there? They are using this method for years, and since they introduced the internal system of choosing the performer, they have better results. And even though i liked Beovizija a lot myself, if we were going to have all kind of scandals and ridiciolous mistakes, they better never return to it! Most of the songs were sleeping-pills on the last 2 editions, with only 2-3 songs that would really (maybe) do something on ESC.

After all, don't you think that you're a bit overreacting when it comes to scandals on Beovizija? Seljko's "Lane moje" is dangerously close to plagiarism. Last year it was the jury that screwed all up. I honestly cannot remember that much fuss when Marija and Jelena won. Of course, there will always be some people that are not entirely satisfied with the chosen song. But as long as we get to chose between various musical genres, singers, bands and composers, it's fine with me.

(I for one wanted Trkulja to win (because his song was not some cheap etno, but authentic Serbian sound with orchestral elements - and Slobodan nailed it totally!), but I didn't bash "Molitva". Why should I, it's a nice song. Also, I thought that BQ are much better solution than Jelena's "Oro", but that's OK.)

You aren't informed enough. NO, but absoultely NO Beovizija EVER passed without at least 1 scandal. Let's do a recap. 2004 - "Lane Moje" was a rip-off, The Serbian jury didn't give any points to the Montenegrin songs. 2005 - Serbia vs. Montenegro part 2 2006 - Serbia vs. Montenegro part 3 2007 - Fonlider messed up for the first time. They found out that the votes presented and revealed in the semi, and in the final were not true. It was the standing after 5 minutes, not the final standing (they revealed that Mira Skoric got 3 SMS votes in total for example), and Maja Nikolic together with Mira Skoric wanted to sue RTS for fixing the results. When votes were finally counted, the winner was the same, and that's the only lucky outcome. 2008 - Zeljko sent the song after the deadline, and after he heard the song by Beauty Queens, he changed the arrangement of the entry, even if that was against the rules! And the song was a ballad then, originally it was supposed to be uptempo. And then he told to the members of the jury in the final in 2008 to "watch out what they are doing", so they had to vote for "Oro". Jelena was booed during the winning performance. 2009 - the top of the scandals, mixing everything from before. The end.

I agree about Trkulja. His song was my fave together with "Molitva". I would love to see him representing us on ESC in one of the coming years.

Sooo, you mean I have every right to hate it, but I should keep my negative comments to myself because they might do some damage?
Well thank you, although I don't think that I am that influential.

You said what you think, we all got it, by repeating it over and over again, you are doing nothing at all. If you don't want to stand behind the song that is representing us this year, it's your right, but let other people who like it stand behind it.

And this is all i had to say.

 

[Ivanathebest]

Re: ?????? - Serbia 2010 - Milan Stankovi? - Ovo je Balkan

Song is not the best but it is not awful...
12 points because it is Serbian song
I liked Emina's song,but the truth is:Emina had good song,but she WAS BREATHLESS(she confused once.She was hardly breathing)
Listen song again(live performance)

Milan will go to the final 100%....on the official website of esc he leads with 35%,Greece has 27%(that is voting for first semi final)
I think he will be in the top 10...
And you should not talk that Milan is gay...he has girlfriend

P.S.some of you should first listen to your songs and than comment Milan's

 

[Ivanathebest]

Re: ?????? - Serbia 2010 - Milan Stankovi? - Ovo je Balkan

btw lyrics of Milan's song isn't so important...a lot of people won't understand it...
And you shouldn't expect that Serbia win every year!We won ESC 2007 with Molitva and I think we won't win it again so soon..we were lucky
Top 10 is very good position(there are coutries who never won so we should be happy)
Šta biste rekli kad bi bili 20.?

 

[Jukica]

Re: ?????? - Serbia 2010 - Milan Stankovi? - Ovo je Balkan

I've just found that the promotion of Serbian ESC 2010 song'll start soon and it'll be recorded in English, French, Spanish, Norvegian and few more languages. Milan'll sing in Serbian on ESC stage.

 

[hechicera]

Re: ?????? - Serbia 2010 - Milan Stankovi? - Ovo je Balkan

OK, I'll make this one short.

@Milos-BC

You keep comparing Serbian election to other European NFs. Why should I care how they do it in Belgium or Turkey? Imagine that you were in position to write new Serbian Penal Code. Would you take into consideration sharia law as well? I mean, if they stone women in Afghanistan, perhaps we should implement the same norm in our law? You see, that's what we call a metaphor.

And if it's "booing" on NF what really bothers you, you shouldn't be worried anymore. It's obvious that Serbian NFs in future will be nothing more that Marina Tucakovi?'s private parties, held in much smaller "venues". But be sure that there will be a lot of "booing" in the media. That's what I've been doing in past few days. Booing. And not only me. And, frankly, I am sick and tired of "oh, noez, we should support our entry because it's oooouuurrr, no matter whaaaat." If the song deserves praise, I will praise it. If it deserves bashing, I'ma bash the hell out of it. Regardless of country, genre, composer or singer.

And yes, lyrics of "Apricot Stone" are at least reasonable. And the lyrics of "Fairytale" made sense.

Obviously, we are on different wavelengths. These crappy songs that Bregovi? "composed" will have the same fate as Ogi's "Hajde Cico". They will receive a fair airplay during summer, and after that - they will descend into the darkness of oblivion where they belong. Cuz they're crap.

And this is all I have to say.

 

[Milos-BC]

Re: ?????? - Serbia 2010 - Milan Stankovi? - Ovo je Balkan

I've just found that the promotion of Serbian ESC 2010 song'll start soon and it'll be recorded in English, French, Spanish, Norvegian and few more languages. Milan'll sing in Serbian on ESC stage.

Yep, and RTS will let OGAE Serbia members to send their suggestions on how Milan's act in Oslo should look like. I have some idea in my mind, but that's too crazy to do on ESC, but maybe i'll send it as a suggestion, maybe it will get some positive comments

Looking forward to hear the Norwegian version