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even if jury changed, 12 points can't go from only jury, country also should has big support from televoters. Why televoters didn't liked Ukraine is also understandable
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even if jury changed, 12 points can't go from only jury, country also should has big support from televoters. Why televoters didn't liked Ukraine is also understandable
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Maybe they had technical difficulties and only one part voted? (Jury or televoting only) 
Voting this year was very strange in many countries! Its almost impossible that country you gave 12 in semi stay without points. And Serbian votes are very mysterious for me too, i just know that Ukraine and Greece won televoting, third was Hungary and Denmark was not be even in top 10 (i'm sure in that) and at the end Denmark got 12 points and Greece stay on 0. Just impossible. And I am sure too that Zlata won televoting in Russia and that jury put here on last place! Why? I think that Jan Ola Sand know what is the reason. More that ever I'm suspicious about regularity of the contest.
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Semifinal
was Zlata SO bad in Final that it could out from final ranking of these countries when all other countries who got less points stayed?
That's very fishy.
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yes, that's right
believe me, Russians fans as never supported Ukraine exactly with Zlata this year and gave less then in 2005//////
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With Russia, I bet the jury just tanked Ukraine. Given this year's counting process, if Russia's jury placed Zlata at 20 or below, then even a #1 position with the televotes couldn't do that much. So whereas in the previous years a 12 from the televotes and 0 from the jury would've still resulted in 6-8 points, this year, the result is different. Now whether jury was being fair or not, that's another question.
I find the results in Montenegro and Slovenia much more suspicious.
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LOOOOL Zlata in Russian jury (when she won Crimea Music Fest where 90% jury are Russian...) at 20 or below is IMPOSSIBLE the same as Russia in Azerbaijan. But here Ukraine at least got 1 point, when Azerbaijan gave Russia 0 at all.
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Yes, but was she one of the main competitors to a Russian entry at the Crimea Music Fest? There is just no way Ukraine wasn't at least top five in the Russian televotes. It's the 3rd highest ESC entry on Russian iTunes right now (not counting Dina), right after Denmark and Azerbaijan.
What??
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yes, we will know only common lists of voters and jury, not separated by country. We will never know how many points gave Russian jury to Ukraine etc.
What the hell? That's just not right.
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really? Where i can find separate results by countries from 2012?
Oh now I understand... So we'll still get to see the split results, but not on a country-by-country basis. Well, that's still not right and should change ASAP!
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yes, that's that i mean,
we will never know why Ukraine got from Russia only 1 point with such strong entry and biggest support
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I would hope to get all the different jury votes and televotes from each country.
I have a feeling Ukraine was very high in the jury votes.
I have a feeling Ukraine was very high in the jury votes.
I'm very satisfied with the outcome, Ukraine was my favorite and while a lot of people said it would flop I'm so happy it didn't. Zlata did a lot of promotional work in Malmo and I got to take a picture with her (yay). they handed out CDs and were approachable.
