Sweden SWEDEN 2018 - Benjamin Ingrosso - Dance You Off

[LalehForWD]

Here is another clip (~2 min) from Benjamin's rehearsal. It's part of Schlagerprofilerna's vlog

https://youtu.be/xAg0M04LzYo?t=852

 

[lolita]

We were complaining here about the lights day before, but Wiwibloggers have said that lights actually look more expensive and better now.

 

[LalehForWD]

We were complaining here about the lights day before, but Wiwibloggers have said that lights actually look more expensive and better now.

Sounds reassuring. He has been rehearsing the act at least since December and using a choreography with built-in thought-through camera angels. He should be able to do the act while sleeping at this stage. The moves have grown into his reflexes, his body will remember them for the rest of his life. I think the crucial issue now is the first 15 seconds which should contain at least one major camera close up on Benjamin. DO YOU HEAR THAT MANAGEMENT??!

 

[lolita]

Sounds reassuring. He has been rehearsing the act at least since December and using a choreography with built-in thought-through camera angels. He should be able to do the act while sleeping at this stage. The moves have grown into his reflexes, his body will remember them for the rest of his life. I think the crucial issue now is the first 15 seconds which should contain at least one major camera close up on Benjamin. DO YOU HEAR THAT MANAGEMENT??!

But there were lot of close ups at Melfest, i think? Camera cuts are exactly same as it was in Melfest, from what we have heard for now. I know I am subjective, but 8th position at the odds are too low, for such visually appealing performace, objectively, it is among top 5 performances, if we look for visual effect, and the song is for sure not that bad like people are overreacting, just beacuse it is from Sweden. It has everything: modern, excellent produced, catchy song, great, charismatic, confident and good-looking perfomer, amazing staging. What's not to like? In the past 2 years Sweden was in top 3 or at least top 5 at the odds, and the performances were nowhere near appealing like this one. Maybe I am too subjective, but I don't know what to think...

 

[theditz83]

Benjamin's dance and "Bengtsson-style" head-nod just grates on me so much and puts me off the song. When it comes on my playlist, I don't skip it, but watching the performance I'm so distracted by the visuals that I barely notice the song any more. Robin's overall performance last year was more engaging and dynamic - this is just an annoying guy being a bit smug and dancing through a neon light showroom, won't challenge for the win

 

[popavapeur]

I don't think it's a winning performance, not because it's bad, just because I see other acts getting a better ranking, but people are underestimating it, it's gonna be top 10 for sure, maybe top 5.

 

[lolita]

Benjamin's dance and "Bengtsson-style" head-nod just grates on me so much and puts me off the song. When it comes on my playlist, I don't skip it, but watching the performance I'm so distracted by the visuals that I barely notice the song any more. Robin's overall performance last year was more engaging and dynamic - this is just an annoying guy being a bit smug and dancing through a neon light showroom, won't challenge for the win

The only thing that matters here is that treadmills have nothing to do with the theme of ICGO, it looked bit out of place and Robin's charisma level is so low, he is too cold and robotic, and this staging fits the DYO like gloves fit the hands, and Benjamin has huge charisma,and everyone can see how much, with the huge passion, he enjoys his time on stage, he really owns it, on the contrary of the Robin. Robin was annoying to me so much. It is all subjective, though, but I don't agree that he was better, and many people outside this forum, agree that Benjamin is more charismatic and likeable, if anything else.

 

[ESCKerli]

I think what [MENTION=16181]lolita[/MENTION] means is the there's a difference between not to appreciate a voice and dislike it due to thinking it's weird or other reasons better not be mentioned. To state it's a perfectly "legit" and "officially OK" established way to sing, if you understand what aI'm getting at.

No, I can't relate at all. In my experience, it is probably one of the most accepting industries. People show great respect to countertenors. Benjamin isn't even singing in falsetto and neither is Ryan O' Shaugnessy. They're not even moving an octave

 

[LalehForWD]

But there were lot of close ups at Melfest, i think? Camera cuts are exactly same as it was in Melfest, from what we have heard for now. I know I am subjective, but 8th position at the odds are too low, for such visually appealing performace, objectively, it is among top 5 performances, if we look for visual effect, and the song is for sure not that bad like people are overreacting, just beacuse it is from Sweden. It has everything: modern, excellent produced, catchy song, great, charismatic, confident and good-looking perfomer, amazing staging. What's not to like? In the past 2 years Sweden was in top 3 or at least top 5 at the odds, and the performances were nowhere near appealing like this one. Maybe I am too subjective, but I don't know what to think...

Well, I haven't looked it up, but the lack of contact was the big issue for me at Melodifestivalen. I just remember it was more OKish in the final. It kind of got completely overshadowed by the sheer number of other major general issues in Melodifestivalen this year. I just want to forget about the mess.

 

[LalehForWD]

No, I can't relate at all. In my experience, it is probably one of the most accepting industries. People show great respect to countertenors. Benjamin isn't even singing in falsetto and neither is Ryan O' Shaugnessy. They're not even moving an octave

Oh I couldn't tell so precise and exactly and therefore I bow before the expertise

 

[lolita]

Well, I haven't looked it up, but the lack of contact was the big issue for me at Melodifestivalen. I just remember it was more OKish in the final. It kind of got completely overshadowed by the sheer number of other major general issues in Melodifestivalen this year. I just want to forget about the mess.

Someone has said on this thread that lights are less bright and flashy now, because delegation didn't want viewers to get overshadowed and distracted too much by it, and Benjamin appears more visible now, it maybe means more contact now.

 

[LalehForWD]

Benjamin's dance and "Bengtsson-style" head-nod just grates on me so much and puts me off the song. When it comes on my playlist, I don't skip it, but watching the performance I'm so distracted by the visuals that I barely notice the song any more. Robin's overall performance last year was more engaging and dynamic - this is just an annoying guy being a bit smug and dancing through a neon light showroom, won't challenge for the win

Robin Bengtsson is a way better singer then Benjamin and Robin's non-esc songs are also way better than his esc songs. He is a genuinly cool guy and very different personality compared with Benjamin. Benjamin may be a better artist though.

 

[lolita]

Robin Bengtsson is a way better singer then Benjamin and Robin's non-esc songs are also way better than his esc songs. He is a genuinly cool guy and very different personality compared with Benjamin. Benjamin may be a better artist though.

Hahaha, Benjamin reminds me of American pop stars like Justin Biber, Timberlake, and many more... Btw, I like Benjamin's personality more than Robin's, I love interesting and overconfident people.

 

[theditz83]

Hahaha, Benjamin reminds me of American pop stars like Justin Biber, Timberlake, and many more... Btw, I like Benjamin's personality more than Robin's, I love interesting and overconfident people.

That's the difference here - overconfident or cocky people are a complete turn-off for me and I will immediately shut-off to whatever they are doing to block them out. Maybe that's part of my major issue with this

 

[LalehForWD]

[MENTION=15711]ESCKerli[/MENTION] But Eric Gadd is singing falsetto, right? And the Bee Gees? I'm confused

 

[lolita]

That's the difference here - overconfident or cocky people are a complete turn-off for me and I will immediately shut-off to whatever they are doing to block them out. Maybe that's part of my major issue with this

That is just matter of taste, I guess. It is major turn on for me, my boyfriend acts exactly like that, overconfident always, it was the main reason he won me over. I like it, for me, that means that that person is comfortable in his own skin, and doesn't care what other people think of him. Definition of being cool and badass. What can I do, LOL.

 

[LalehForWD]

That's the difference here - overconfident or cocky people are a complete turn-off for me and I will immediately shut-off to whatever they are doing to block them out. Maybe that's part of my major issue with this

The thing is, he isn't smug or cocky. He was born into a big celebrity family and have had to deal with expectations and presumptions all his life. As I understand it hasn't always been easy for him, especially not in school.

 

[ESCKerli]

[MENTION=15711]ESCKerli[/MENTION] But Eric Gadd is singing falsetto, right? And the Bee Gees? I'm confused

I haven't heard Eric Gadd, but the Bee Gees are certainly singing in falsetto to some degree. The most modern artist I can think of that uses falsetto is Adam Levine. Falsetto is a style, just like whistle tones, and you sort of have to know the artist's register in order to know that.

 

[lolita]

The thing is, he isn't smug or cocky. He was born into a big celebrity family and have had to deal with expectations and presumptions all his life. As I understand it hasn't always been easy for him, especially not in school.

And as I've heard, even if he is from famous family, he really works hard every day, to be successful and good artist. People think that if you are from rich family, you shouldn't move your ass to do anything in life, but that is usually very far from the thruth, that doesn't have to mean immediately, by default, it is like that. An then people often don't appreciate people like Benjamin, because they are thinking so wrong of them, just because they have money. I am always against prejudices.

 

[theditz83]

[MENTION=10594]LalehForWD[/MENTION] don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying Benjamin is cocky or overconfident, but to me that's how his performance comes off. The choreography and his facial expressions give off that impression, that's all. It's strange for me not to be a massive Swedish supporter, but maybe seeing the performance in context will change my opinion on the night