Sweden SWEDEN 2018 - Benjamin Ingrosso - Dance You Off

[DanielLuis]

I don't know which post you refer to, but although the app effects, it's not really 100% true... since introduction of apps we know had the televoters #1 winning 3 times and one of those it wasn't even the juries #1 so

This year was unusually even, but I think it's because the general quality was bad and people didn't really have a proper standout favorite.

What? The app was introduced in the finals in 2016 (in 2015 the app stopped working halfway trough the show and only televotes votes counted)

2016: Frans won televoting with 68 points (40 more than the last place) 23 points ahead of the 2nd place. He lost the IJ by 1 point but the top 3 were ahead by 15 points and the spread between 1st and last place in IJ was 89 points.

2017: Nano won televoting with 57 points, with a 27 point difference between 1st and last place and 6 points ahead of 2nd placed Wiktoria. Robin was 3rd 7 points behind. In the IJ Robin won with 96 points, a 20 point difference to 2nd (almost the same as the difference between 1st and last place in the televoting!!!) and the spread between 1st and last place was 95 points!

2018: Benjamin won televoting with 67 points, with a 30 points difference between 1st and last place and 3 points ahead of 2nd. He won the IJ 114 points, also known has almost the DOUBLE points the televote gave him, with a 10 point lead to second place and with a difference of ONE HUNDRED AND TWELVE POINTS to last place. Mendez also still came last after finishing THIRD in the televoting.

For comparison, talking about 100% televote years:

2015: Mans won televoting with ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY SIX points, more than 70 points ahead of the 2nd (also known has a bigger difference than the whole spread between all the competitors in the app voting years) and 162 points difference to last place.

2014: Sanna and Ace Wilder scored 122 and 122 in televoting (also know has DOUBLE the votes anyone got in app voting years) , 70 points ahead of 3rd place and 110 difference to last place.


How someone can look at these stats and still deny that the app voting completely destroys the televoting is truly truly beyond belief to me.

 

[A-lister]

[MENTION=6762]DanielLuis[/MENTION]

Look, unlike some other Swedes in here, I am completely against the app voting and I also see the harm it does to the contest so I am really not the one to be convinced here. You can see me arguing against the system in this thread previously and other years aswell. Maybe my point didn't really come through properly, I just said that televoters still had their winners even with app voting, but yeah I know it's been close but not impossible because if that was the case then juries #1 would win each year, and that wasn't always the case.

But if you'd ask me, I'd gladly skip the app voting till next year.

 

[DanielLuis]

[MENTION=6762]DanielLuis[/MENTION]

Look, unlike some other Swedes in here, I am completely against the app voting and I also see the harm it does to the contest so I am really not the one to be convinced here. You can see me arguing against the system in this thread previously and other years aswell. Maybe my point didn't really come through properly, I just said that televoters still had their winners even with app voting, but yeah I know it's been close but not impossible because if that was the case then juries #1 would win each year, and that wasn't always the case.

But if you'd ask me, I'd gladly skip the app voting till next year.

To me the best thing SVT could do is keep the app voting for the semi-finals, but they really need to ditch it in the final

 

[Pawhlen]

I'm really kinda split here. I genuinely like Benjamin, he's a real musician who writes his own material and worthy in every way, but still as an entry for Sweden it seems kind of by-the-pattern. We've essentially sent the same kind of song since 2015, with only slight differences, and i really wish this could have been the time to try something else. And the competition is really strong this year, so top 10 is not guaranteed....

"Strong year" you gotta be kidding me right?

Benjamin can go either way, great success or big flop

 

[Pawhlen]

[MENTION=6762]DanielLuis[/MENTION]

Look, unlike some other Swedes in here, I am completely against the app voting and I also see the harm it does to the contest so I am really not the one to be convinced here. You can see me arguing against the system in this thread previously and other years aswell. Maybe my point didn't really come through properly, I just said that televoters still had their winners even with app voting, but yeah I know it's been close but not impossible because if that was the case then juries #1 would win each year, and that wasn't always the case.

But if you'd ask me, I'd gladly skip the app voting till next year.

You sound more and more like Bert Karlsson for every post you make...

The app voting is a good thing if it´s managed good which it has not been these years, they need to reform it to have maybe 10 hearts every evening that can be placed as the person want´s and after that, it´s televoting or SMS if you want to vote more.

And it´s also time to get rid of the duels in AC

 

[alca]

Apparently there was some technical issued during her performance and she was given the option to re-do it just like Renaida, but she declined the offer.

Do you have a source for that?

 

[toinou03]

When will they release the semi results ?

 

[A-lister]

Do you have a source for that?

Yes, they said it in the final in the Green Room after all entries and before Renaida's re-run.

 

[A-lister]

You sound more and more like Bert Karlsson for every post you make...

The app voting is a good thing if it´s managed good which it has not been these years, they need to reform it to have maybe 10 hearts every evening that can be placed as the person want´s and after that, it´s televoting or SMS if you want to vote more.

And it´s also time to get rid of the duels in AC

Bert Karlsson?

I dunno, I'm not a fan of it but whatever floats your boat...

I generally dislike AC, in fact I would like an MF more focused on quality than quantity, especially in this year it was embarrassing ... I wouldn't mind two semis 2x10 entries, with 5 qualifiers from each to the final... but I don't think it'll happen.

 

[Pawhlen]

Bert Karlsson?

I dunno, I'm not a fan of it but whatever floats your boat...

I generally dislike AC, in fact I would like an MF more focused on quality than quantity, especially in this year it was embarrassing ... I wouldn't mind two semis 2x10 entries, with 5 qualifiers from each to the final... but I don't think it'll happen.

For once, I agree with you, and I´m a person who has defended SVT many times, but if the script and programs don´t improves until next year, it won´t be a long time until that really occur, but as long as the viewing numbers and voting numbers are high, SVT would not matter at all sadly

 

[A-lister]

For once, I agree with you, and I´m a person who has defended SVT many times, but if the script and programs don´t improves until next year, it won´t be a long time until that really occur, but as long as the viewing numbers and voting numbers are high, SVT would not matter at all sadly

As much as a good show is needed, my main concern is the lack of quality in the music. I know we have better years and worse years, but this year was really bad. Atleast in years where I wasn't a fan of the show, host/s or winners I was atleast defending MF of being an overall well produced show with proportionally higher amount of good entries than in other countries' editions, but I can't do that this year.

 

[Pawhlen]

As much as a good show is needed, my main concern is the lack of quality in the music. I know we have better years and worse years, but this year was really bad.

I agree, the song quality is what saved this from a total nightmare

 

[tsegaye]

Does anyone knows what the Press-Reactions were in Sweden and what the General Opinion of the Televoting is?

The press reactions were great I guess and everyone (sorry [MENTION=4544]A-lister[/MENTION] ) is quite happy with the results what I've noticed. There isn't any talks about placings in ESC yet but I think it's mainly because we've been spoilt with great results these years that many don't have any expectations on how it will do yet.

 

[Pawhlen]

The press reactions were great I guess and everyone (sorry [MENTION=4544]A-lister[/MENTION] ) is quite happy with the results what I've noticed. There isn't any talks about placings in ESC yet but I think it's mainly because we've been spoilt with great results these years that many don't have any expectations on how it will do yet.

I guess the reason why it is very calm this time might have to do with that Benjamin won the televote, had he been 3-4th in the televote, then it would have been a real shitstorm in our media

 

[Pawhlen]

By the way, Was it only me or did Jessicas backing track in the final sound one note to dark compared to the semis and the studio version?

 

[A-lister]

By the way, Was it only me or did Jessicas backing track in the final sound one note to dark compared to the semis and the studio version?

There were some technical issues during her performance, not sure what kind but she was even offered to redo her performance like Renaida was but for some reason declined the offer.

 

[A-lister]

The press reactions were great I guess and everyone (sorry [MENTION=4544]A-lister[/MENTION] ) is quite happy with the results what I've noticed. There isn't any talks about placings in ESC yet but I think it's mainly because we've been spoilt with great results these years that many don't have any expectations on how it will do yet.

Well, our media are like sheep and they decided that Benjamin is "what we need" (in fact we don't know the background here since record label politics is more involved in hype than we might assume), so I'm not surprised they are satisfied. We will see in May how it goes, maybe I will eat up my own words, but I really don't think we'll get a very good position with this, and even if we did, I won't like the entry regardless. Don't get me wrong though, I never said it was our worst option, there were obviously far worse stuff, but I still don't think it was the best we had to offer.

 

[alca]

Yes, they said it in the final in the Green Room after all entries and before Renaida's re-run.

Oh I will have to rewatch that. Didn't hear it when I was inside Friends

 

[Jokuc]

Hipster? Not really. I don't dislike mainstream music because it's mainstream, I just don't seem to like whatever has been mainstream for the past 15 years or so. For me music is all about the melody and the note/chord progression. I don't care how slick or professional the production is, how polished the beat is, how genius the lyrics are or how much time and dedication has been devoted to it; if the melody sucks it's a bad song (to me). Dance You Off's melody is extremely repetitive and dull. Like several other songs in this year's MF, it also lacked a proper chorus. It's funny that you should mention "Rock Your Body" by the way, when that is easily one of the worst and most annoying songs that's come out of mainstream music. A song winning tons of awards or topping charts all over the world tells me nothing of how good the song is. It only tells me that it's what the record companies and the radio stations have been pushing for you to listen to and millions of people swallowed it because it's all they ever hear. You sound a little bit like a member we had on the forum some years ago who argued that Euphoria was objectively the best Eurovision song because it had achieved the most international success and had the most plays on YouTube.

This is the Eurovision Song Contest, not Eurovision Radio Hits Contest, Eurovision Artist Contest or Eurovision Show Contest. It's never been about following the latest mainstream fads and trends. Look at what won last year; a timeless jazzy orchestrated piece that was the exact opposite of mainstream. I wasn't even a big fan of Portugal last year, but I could definitely appreciate the fact that it was such a genuine song and performance. I honestly don't care if I'm in the minority. Story of my life anyway. As if the fact that thousands of people love something somehow makes it good? Millions of girls think Twilight is the best thing since sliced bread... still doesn't make it good.

I suppose I didn't put my case into words in that post, but point is that music quality is subjective. You cannot measure how "good" a song is in any way and call it fair. That's why we turn to popularity rankings or knowledgeable people such as the international judges to give people some kind of perspective. When you then call a praised work bad and complain about how it's well produced without giving an explanation to your statement you come off as a butthurt hipster who hates on mainstream music simply because it's popular.

But fair enough, I guess. At least you gave me some clarification.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Robin didn't win the televote (he was 3rd), and Benjamin barely won the televote either this year. Well, I can't claim anything, but for these shows (also if you'd see Swedish Idol for instance), the demographic group with the highest voting tendency are tween and teen girls and to think that it doesn't effect the results at all, well I beg to differ.

I think it all starts to become very predictable though, I'm not saying that none of those males didn't deserve to win, but every damn year? and no, I really don't think they had the best entries each year either

Benjamin got about 70 000 more votes than the runner-up. It’s not a huge number, but I wouldn’t call it barely. Again, blaming teen girls: the international juries must be a group of Justin Bieber fans then?

For four years in a row, both the Swedish televoter and the international jury had a male favorite. To think that a gender would be discriminated in such a show as Melodifestivalen or Eurovision is just odd.