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Sweden SWEDEN 2018 - Benjamin Ingrosso - Dance You Off

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A-lister

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Low viewership + televote record = low support?

Sure, the app votes will increase the televote numbers. The app has been out for 4 years now and been in effect for 3 finals now: 2018 had the biggest voting record of all time, beating 2017 and 2016. If more votes come in, that means people engage more because they think at least one song has the quality that it deserves a vote. Indifferent people don’t pick up their phone.

You can’t state Benjamin had weak competition. By that logic: a gold medalist had weak competition if the participants scoring 2nd-5th had a low margin, but the gold medalist had strong competition if he/she won by a landslide. Makes no sense. One can argue about the overall quality of the final, but considering there was a televote record and it was evenly spread, by logic the competition couldn’t have been weak.

As for the quality: the top 3 on Spotify right now are all Melodifestivalen finalists. 6 out of the top 10 including.

If fewer people watches it means that a higher percentage out of the fewer people watching vote, or simply more votes/person which is probably the case due to the app thingy.

I meant that in terms of song quality, I'd say there was weak competition this year generally speaking, and this is more a comment to those who celebrate his victory as some sort of great success and that he himself had this "standout" entry which apparently wasn't the case. I meant that if he was such a standout, how come he couldn't even manage better with the weak competition? Maybe you didn't get my comment, I simply meant that his entry was weak aswell hence why, as you point out, the voting was even more even than usual, and my conclusion is that it was an even low standard this year, not even high.
 

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I just watched Jessica's performance. Wow, it sounded really weird. As if someone messed with the pitch or something. Nothing like the semi-final. That might explain some of the votes she didn't get. Again, to avoid any misunderstandings, I'm not saying she could win but I was expecting her somewhere in the middle when it comes to televoting. She also sounded a bit weird during Friday's rehearsal but I thought it was the sound in the arena.
 

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I just watched Jessica's performance. Wow, it sounded really weird. As if someone messed with the pitch or something. Nothing like the semi-final. That might explain some of the votes she didn't get. Again, to avoid any misunderstandings, I'm not saying she could win but I was expecting her somewhere in the middle when it comes to televoting. She also sounded a bit weird during Friday's rehearsal but I thought it was the sound in the arena.

Apparently there was some technical issued during her performance and she was given the option to re-do it just like Renaida, but she declined the offer.

I'm with you on this one, as much as I thought she was one of the few good options in MF this year, I also didn't expect her to win, but I also didn't expect her to flop so bad in the final... technical issues aside, she did a good performance and had the right energy and also the song is by far not the worst xshrug
 

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Instructions for MF:
-Write uptempo song in English. This is the least important step, so ok-ish should be good enough.
-Get young, polished guy to sing it. +1 if he has dark hair.
-Come up with visual gimmick. Does not need to be groundbreaking, but something new for the ESC-stage.
-Win.

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This so sad and so true at the same time... with app voting it got even worse... it's like from now on teenage girls will decide our outcome almost every year xshrug

It doesn't help either that MF is runned by some old queens that admire the young guys and are clearly pushing for them to get the best out of MF...

Please Wiktoria come back in 2019 and win !!! I know that Sweden now has more males than females but jeeez this is just sad
 

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There is no Gender-Bias. In this Decade it was 6 Male and 3 Female Entries. But since 3-4 years the Male Entries were worlds better. Thats it.
Funny how 2012 and 2014 were forgotten. Especially 2014 when the Top4 were females.
 

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i think melfest might have evolved into a beast too different from eurovision to still be a suitable selection for contest. (or not, since they keep doing well ugh.) i wouldn't mind if melfest became its own thing and sweden selected an entry through some other way, maybe even picking a melfest non-winner like sanremo did sometimes. never going to happen though.
 

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The 0's definitely are an overreaction just because we're talking about Sweden. Sure, it's not the best out there, but so many 0's, really?
It's a shame how much hate there is in the Eurovision community.
 

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There is no Gender-Bias. In this Decade it was 6 Male and 3 Female Entries. But since 3-4 years the Male Entries were worlds better. Thats it.
Funny how 2012 and 2014 were forgotten. Especially 2014 when the Top4 were females.

The male entries were better? I beg to differ but hey taste differs...
 

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I'm really kinda split here. I genuinely like Benjamin, he's a real musician who writes his own material and worthy in every way, but still as an entry for Sweden it seems kind of by-the-pattern. We've essentially sent the same kind of song since 2015, with only slight differences, and i really wish this could have been the time to try something else. And the competition is really strong this year, so top 10 is not guaranteed....
 

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The male entries were better? I beg to differ but hey taste differs...

Well, the Juries and Televoters decided it. You cant claim that Mans, Frans, Robin and Benjamin won because of their Gender. Theres no Evidence like the History proves.
 

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i think melfest might have evolved into a beast too different from eurovision to still be a suitable selection for contest. (or not, since they keep doing well ugh.) i wouldn't mind if melfest became its own thing and sweden selected an entry through some other way, maybe even picking a melfest non-winner like sanremo did sometimes. never going to happen though.

This won't happen, nor should it happen. Melodifestivalen is one of those rare national selections that are bigger locally than ESC, and while this year was dreadfully weak, we are still very proud of the fact that we take this thing seriously and have such a grand national selection than many countries could just dream about, we clearly set the bar and I think we should continue do so. There would be an uproar if Melodifestivalen wouldn't work as our selection for ESC, I kind of get your point but unlike SanRemo, Melodifestivalen always functioned as our selection for ESC, it's not a stand-alone music festival like we see that many other countries have disconnected to ESC.
 

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Well, the Juries and Televoters decided it. You cant claim that Mans, Frans, Robin and Benjamin won because of their Gender. Theres no Evidence like the History proves.

Robin didn't win the televote (he was 3rd), and Benjamin barely won the televote either this year. Well, I can't claim anything, but for these shows (also if you'd see Swedish Idol for instance), the demographic group with the highest voting tendency are tween and teen girls and to think that it doesn't effect the results at all, well I beg to differ.

I think it all starts to become very predictable though, I'm not saying that none of those males didn't deserve to win, but every damn year? and no, I really don't think they had the best entries each year either xshrug
 

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Robin didn't win the televote (he was 3rd), and Benjamin barely won the televote either this year. Well, I can't claim anything, but for these shows (also if you'd see Swedish Idol for instance), the demographic group with the highest voting tendency are tween and teen girls and to think that it doesn't effect the results at all, well I beg to differ.

I think it all starts to become very predictable though, I'm not saying that none of those males didn't deserve to win, but every damn year? and no, I really don't think they had the best entries each year either xshrug

I mean can they really affect the results? It's so obvious that the app makes the televoting powerless in the final. The IJ basically decides everything. Did you see ZoboCamel's post last night? The power split was essentially 75% IJ / 25% televote/app vote
 

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There is no Gender-Bias. In this Decade it was 6 Male and 3 Female Entries. But since 3-4 years the Male Entries were worlds better. Thats it.
Funny how 2012 and 2014 were forgotten. Especially 2014 when the Top4 were females.


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But the rest I agree with :)
 

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Wiktoria was robbed last year.... As I Lay Me Down is like A DRUG

This! And those good damn international juries robbed her, I know she didn't win the televotes, but she was second wheres Robin was just third... which means that if the international juries got their wax out of their ears and took of their blinders we might have had Wiktoria with a faaaaaar better entry

 

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Robin didn't win the televote (he was 3rd), and Benjamin barely won the televote either this year. Well, I can't claim anything, but for these shows (also if you'd see Swedish Idol for instance), the demographic group with the highest voting tendency are tween and teen girls and to think that it doesn't effect the results at all, well I beg to differ.

I think it all starts to become very predictable though, I'm not saying that none of those males didn't deserve to win, but every damn year? and no, I really don't think they had the best entries each year either xshrug

Yes, Nano won the Televote. And I dont think hes very attractive for those Teeniegirls. It must have had musical Reasons that the Swedish Audience chose him.
And as I said 2014 which isnt too long, 2 Females won. And they won pretty sure with Help of those Teeniegirls.
 

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I mean can they really affect the results? It's so obvious that the app makes the televoting powerless in the final. The IJ basically decides everything. Did you see ZoboCamel's post last night? The power split was essentially 75% IJ / 25% televote/app vote

I don't know which post you refer to, but although the app effects, it's not really 100% true... since introduction of the app vote we had the televoters #1 winning 3 out of 4 times and one of those wins wasn't even #1 with the juries...

This year was unusually even, but I think it's because the general quality was bad and people didn't really have a proper standout favorite.
 

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Yes, Nano won the Televote. And I dont think hes very attractive for those Teeniegirls. It must have had musical Reasons that the Swedish Audience chose him.
And as I said 2014 which isnt too long, 2 Females won. And they won pretty sure with Help of those Teeniegirls.

He already had a radio hit when he won, but yes you are correct... obviously there are other factors aswell but to underestimate the voting power by the group that tends to dominate the voting is not really correct either... but if you see the overall picture, like you also pointed out, young male Pop solo acts have dominated, winning 6/8 times the last 8 years...
 
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