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Sweden SWEDEN 2018 - Benjamin Ingrosso - Dance You Off

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JonnyWest

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OH MY FUCKING GOD i just listened to the microphone-only track of ingrosso

this is beyond eleftheria i am actually impressed lmao xheart it's gonne be amazing to watch this outside of the melfest safeguard (and he better have backing vocals as good as eleftheria if he wants them jury points)

Your comments are hilarious omg xrofl
 

Eloise

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Another boring, souless song from a pretty boy. Same thing year after year after year from Sweden. Will be overrated by juries as always. 0 points from me.
 

Dessi

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I'm quite happy Benjamin won. :D xyaay
I liked almost all of the songs (except Mendez, Martin Almgren, Liamoo, Jessica Andersson and Margaret)

I loved Renaida, John Lundvik and Samir and Viktor... xheatxheartxheart

But Benjamins song has grown a lot... :)
I didn't like it in the semi, but now I simply LOVE it! x12sxlovexyaayxfruits:
 

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Alaska49

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asmik's spray tan is my favourite entry this year

such artistry such creativity it really plays strings in your heart
 

Nicfedy

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How the he'll did this win? Semi final for Sweden this year. This is so Andy Abraham.
 

Jokuc

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It's very rare that I give 0 points, but this time it was deserved for me. Dance You Off actually pisses me off with how bad it is. It's all slick production and choreographed flashy stage show and zero song substance. xshrug

Hipster much? And what exactly would song substance be? Lyrics about love, on-stage chorus and dramatic buildups? This my friend is mainstream radio music. Seems like too many of you are expecting ESC entries to be something you hear once and go "wow, powerful" then never listen to again. What is the word I'm looking for? ....Schlager? Yeah, that genre is dead. The kid put his soul into crafting that song, he did the producing and writing himself and wants to connect multiple singles into some kind of storyline. It's supposed to be a simple song, it's straightforward, not lacking. The horrible slick production you're talking about is there because it fits the song if you didn't figure that one out already and Zain Odelstål did a fantastic job at doing so. Dance You Off is comparable with Justin Timberlake's "Rock Your Body" which won several awards claiming top 5 spots in both UK and US billboard top 100. Ingrosso is not Timberlake, but judging from the juries and televote you seem to be in minority with that opinion as others clearly saw that substance you can not.

I'm not saying your opinion is wrong... but ya know
 

Alaska49

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ok song with great staging. he's still dead behind the eyes. 5pts
to be fair it seems that this is the real reason behind sweden's recent success. robin sold his soul and personality to win melfest, and i am still not entirely convinced frans was not an homunculus.
 

tsegaye

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Oh my gosh, is nothing but a small miracle. I was expecting a 1 or 2 from you. The moment you realized he actually sounds just like yourself proved just too irresistible a lure.

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Benjamin is part of what makes me like this entry for some reason. I don't know why. I 95% of the time dislike young male pop stars (i'm actually so #TeamGianluca in this department), but I really enjoyed Benjamin's song last year, and I instantly liked this one too.... and somehow it just grew and grew, until last night when I actually started to get quite hyped talking with some friends about the chances of "Dance You Off" winning. The performance has an aesthetic appeal I really appreciate, and I find the song extremely listenable and infectious, with a clear hook that most pop songs so far this year could only dream of having, as hooks and choruses apparently accidentally got thrown into the bin as songs were being composed. "Dance You Off" just makes me feel good. It puts me in a great mood. It's also something different for Eurovision. The comparisons to a certain other Swedish entry (which almost made me gasp in horror, seeing how much I darn well hate you know what) I think are unjust. Very different songs. Sweden has never gone for a laid back number like "Dance You Off" before. It doesn't at all sound like a Eurovision song, which could play to it's strengths. I'm curious to see how it will do for the fact alone that we haven't had something in this music style before at the contest. People are saying it's same old but in my opinion it's really not.

This is a very interesting year for me. Unless one of Georgia, Macedonia or Israel deliver HARD, then Sweden could actually be fighting for my favourite song of the year, which is simultaneously tragic and hilarious. I almost welcome it because it would be funny. Go Benjaminxheart I genuinely love this entry.

Love your thoughts! xlove
 

DanielLuis

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My favourite in the final was Renaida, but I knew she had no hope in hell of winning.
For the first time in a few years I actually like the winner. It was obvious during the show Benjamin would beat the rest, it was by far the best perfomance in a lacklustre final. Besides the staging the actual song is pretty catchy and cool too, it grows with more listens. But it obviously would feel very flat without the choreography. That's ok though because Eurovision is about the whole show, it's not like all songs are supposed to be sung by someone alone on the center of the stage. At least it doesn't come across as fake and pretentious as awful plastic Robin last year, or as disingenuous as Felix Sandman this year.

I don't think this will make my personal top 10, but I predict around 5th place for Sweden again. I actually think the Swedish delegation (not the song itself) really deserves to crash in the semi-final, they need to wake up and do some changes to Melfest. The quality this year was really dreadful.

And when will they finally take the horrible app voting away? The televoting tonight was a joke, 30 points of difference between the 1st and last place and 7 points separating the top 5? Totally ridiculous. They really need to figure out they have to take away the app voting at least in the finals, if they don't the IJ will basically decide the winner (and most of the ranking) every single year.
 

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The real jury–televote split, v2: A post-analysis

About a month ago, I made a big long post about why the televoters have lost most of their power in Melfest since the app votes come in. Firstly, I mentioned that the last couple of years had been at a power split of around 24-76 in favour of juries. Then, I noted that the changes to the jury votes were expected to help fix that a little, but wouldn't be perfect, lifting the power split to around 30-70, still favouring juries. So how did that work out, in the end? Well, in a sense, I was wrong...

...because the changes were even more miniscule than I'd expected. After plugging this year's televotes and jury votes back into my formula, the effective power split for this year was: 24.6-75.4. To put this in context with previous years:


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And so the split moved by just a single percentage point in the favour of televoters. Wow. As a reminder, I'd expected that the jury changes would bring televote power back to around 30% this year, and already said that that would be a crappy outcome in need of major fixes from SVT. With that in mind, seeing things essentially stay unchanged is pretty laughable, to be honest. As for why the changes were even less useful than expected, I've got a few theories, and I expect that the full answer is a bit of a combination of each:

1. The juries agreed on their lower points more than expected. In trying to predict how the juries allocated their lower scores (9th and 10th places, which they hadn't previously had to vote for), I assumed there'd be at least a little disagreement, with some unpopular songs picking up points here and there that they otherwise wouldn't have. Instead, a good chunk of these extra points went towards the songs that were doing well anyway, leaving the least favourite acts of the jury vote - Mendez in particular - even further behind than they would've been otherwise. In this sense, the change intended to restore some power to televoters may have in some cases given the juries even more ability to kill off songs they don't like.

2. The app votes caused even more clumping this year. Despite the app votes already forming into a little clumped ball of uselessness in previous years, we could at least see that Frans was a clear favourite in 2016, and that Nano enjoyed a semi-decent lead in 2017. This year may have been our first real year with no clear televote favourite - and when the televote was already clumped in years with a favourite, it serves to reason that it'd turn out even worse when there's little difference in opinion to begin with.

3. Televote lines stayed open while the jury votes were revealed. Based on how long the app heart beat at full speed for each act, Mendez won the televote as far as app votes were concerned (2m15s beating heart), followed very closely by John Lundvik (2m14s). There was then a bit of a gap, followed by a close grouping of Liamoo, Benjamin, Felix, Samir & Viktor and Mariette (all between 2m and 1m53s). But once the app votes closed and it came to phone-voting time, televoters could see who the juries were voting for, and as such knew which acts would be wasted votes.

I doubt it's a coincidence that, following the reveal of jury results, televotes stopped coming in as quickly for previous televote favourites Mendez, John, Liamoo, Samir & Viktor and Mariette, who by that stage were all at least 48 points behind and thus seemed like a lost cause. In response, Benjamin and Felix rose up the televote ranks, as they were seen as the only possible winners by then. With the way the preferences were arranged this year, that meant the televoters stopped voting for what had been their favourites, and instead focused on those that had been 4th and 5th in the app vote, largely equalising the top set of scores even more closely. It also means that the televotes may have in effect had less influence than the 24.6% I've calculated, since on top of that figure there was a section of voting where all televoters were essentially encouraged to vote only for the two jury favourites.

Without the juries having their direct votes and this influence on the televotes, I think it's entirely possible, even likely, that Mendez would've been Sweden's representative for the year. Whatever your opinion might be on his song and its chances at Eurovision - and I personally think it would've struggled as a result of his vocals, with Benjamin being a safer pick - it seems rather silly, in the context of Melfest also being a show meant for entertainment in its own right, to have a song with that sort of public support ending dead last on the scoreboard.


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The combination of those factors seems to have counteracted the change that was supposed to help the televotes, and so in the end juries once again had essentially three times the influence of televoters. Finally, I thought it'd be interesting to end on a few facts about the split to provide some alternative ways of looking at things:

  • Last year, third place in the televote won Melodifestivalen overall. This year, third place in the televote came last overall. The only real difference here was that the jury liked one and not the other; essentially, they can have a song finish first or last, wherever they want, largely regardless of televoter preferences.
  • The gap between first and last in the televotes (30 points) was far smaller than the gap between first and third (48 points) in the jury votes. Meanwhile, the gap between first and third in the televotes was only 5 points - barely a tenth that of its jury equivalent.
  • Adding up the differences between each voter group's result and the final result (e.g. juries put a song 5th and it instead came 7th = 2 ranks), the juries only missed out on their perfectly-ordered final result by 10 ranks. Televoters missed out by 24 ranks.

Here's hoping SVT finally makes some changes for next year.
 

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[MENTION=11243]ZoboCamel[/MENTION] stellar analysis per usual. Thank you for it. Follow-up question: what nominal ratio would they have needed for a 50/50 jury/televote split?
 

DanielLuis

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SVT really needs to realize the current system is just not working on the final. I think the app is ok in the semi-finals as it's just 100% televoting there, but it just doesn't work in the final.
You should send SVT an e-mail with your analysis [MENTION=11243]ZoboCamel[/MENTION]!

I doubt they'll do much about this anyway, as they tend to not admit the mistakes they make (who can forget the clear failure of the voting system on the first semi-final back in 2015) and the amount of votes the app gets gives them a much more beautiful number of total votes to announce at the end of the final (though it probably ends up reducing the money going to charity).
The only way they'll change is if there's a big uproar by the Swedish public, but unfortunately this app problem seems to be something the casual viewers don't really notice/care about.
 

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6 points just for the stage. The juries will place Sweden again in top 10 with a (almost) same song from last year...hmm! I want something (totally) else next year!
 
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