Russian Jury Voting

[nofuxCZ]

The fact juries watch the show together was known already last year, when Spanish jury posted a pic online, Czech jury also posted their picture.
Imo EBU should fly all the juries to the venue and have independent supervisor watching over each jury - or if the costs to fly them is too high, have some EBU supervisor fly to the place where juries watch the show and watch over them there.

 

[JamieBrown]

The question if a entry should be disqualified is not a matter of whose fault it is, since then every disqualification would be way too harsh. Best example is poor Ovidiu. Nonetheless in this case removing the russian entry is just too harsh, indeed and will also lead into organizational issues. Since it's not the broadcaster or the artists fault, it is just the jury that should be disqualified. For tonight we will just have a random mixture as russian jury voting and for Saturday the jury will be replaced or the rules will be tightened, to make the whole jury thing "professional" as the word is meant to be.

And I'm not surprised that juries are watching the show together. How could the german juries all have the same #1 for two years in a row anyway?

 

[popavapeur]

Jury should be disqualified and they have to make a new jury for the final, that's it.

Btw, rumors seems fashion now : Azerbaijan gave 12 to Russia and 10 to San Marino (I read that on a french forum, that also said that Russia came 10th in the SF but I didn't understand if it's their jury results or because they were the last country to be called yesterday. Most likely the latter)

 

[Salmon]

Yeah, I believe this basically just confirms what we all know, and it’s good that there is some evidence. However, do you people really believe the EBU is going to do something about that? I’m quite sure the issue will be whitewashed to all extent. At least until the fanbase and international media start protesting heavily; then something might be done.

Eh, I guess this gives me the right to be smug about this – I’ve been against the jury reintroduction from Day One for exactly those reasons.

 

[Stiven]

Well I saw the video and my opinion is just disqualify the Russian jury and as prevention for next the years, have a supervision in the room with the juries to prevent things like these from happening.
Because even with this scandal I still think that Juries are a necessity because the last time when we had 100% televoting the contest was horrible and the juries pushed it back on track (although the recovery still isn't at 100%).

 

[nofuxCZ]

Saw this at the other forum

 

[cripesdude]

I think Juries, in principle, are a good idea - they balance the mega-fan/diaspora bias of the televote. However, the juries need to work properly. I don't have an issue with them all watching it together, in fact, discussing the songs/performances with each other seems to me exactly what the jury should be doing. Leaking footage of the jury final/voting procedure is very unprofessional though. I mean, how naive/foolish!? I don't think Russia should be banned, but I think their jury should be disqualified for this year - this has to be taken seriously.

In the future? I think keep juries, especially made of music industry professionals... but they need to be more closely monitored. I always thought the jury was actually in the arena watching the jury final! Perhaps that should be the case from now on? Otherwise having each jury member rank entries based on the CD recordings, and have them submitted separately and securely online, with the EBU collating the results could be an idea?

Well, I'm not sure and am open to suggestions... but juries need to be tightened up... and there needs to be some repercussions for so blatantly breaking the rules of the jury!

 

[nikolay_BG]

Yeah, I believe this basically just confirms what we all know, and it’s good that there is some evidence. However, do you people really believe the EBU is going to do something about that? I’m quite sure the issue will be whitewashed to all extent. At least until the fanbase and international media start protesting heavily; then something might be done.

Eh, I guess this gives me the right to be smug about this – I’ve been against the jury reintroduction from Day One for exactly those reasons.

Couldn't be said any better. I agree with this on 100%

 

[DutchESC]

Explanation?

What does this have to do with this thread? I actually find this quite offensive.

 

[DanielLuis]

They should replace the Russian jury. And, as answer to everyone saying disqualifying the Russian entry would be too harsh: Romania.

The Romanian case isn't even in the slightest thing comparable to the Russian case.
Romania didn't pay a 15 million euro fine for 10 years. The Russian jury was caught talking while they were watching the performances. Of course they should be punished, but disqualification? Please. For all we know all the 42 juriesvote like this, and the Russian one was the only one that were dumb enough to get caught.

 

[ag89]

In 2014 one of the Germany jury members posted a picture of her votes the same night when the semi final 1 happened. The EBU did nothing so they shouldn't do anything now as well.

There have been too many "scandals" with juries since 2009, I think something should be changed. To bring them to Eurovision and have a mentor or something?! Probably it would work, but it's too expensive.

But anyway, juries HAVE to stay.

 

[QwaarJet]

Wait 'til A-Lister sees this...

 

[Avrovizyon]

The Romanian case isn't even in the slightest thing comparable to the Russian case.

For the interprets it is technically the same case. The Romanian interprets were not responsible for their broadcaster's fault - and one could also wonder why EBU didn't disqualify Romania before choosing an entry and preparing it. So, no, a disqualification would not be harsh or unacceptable, it would only be a very hard punishment (I don't favor).

Further, I think that the Russian jury's behaviour did damage 2016's competition more than Romania's debts...

 

[Chorizo]

I'm not trying to be an ass, but genuinely curious. Where can I get a copy of these rules?

The PDF with the rules mentions a Green Document with instructions for the jury but I didn't find that.
https://www.eurovision.tv/upload/press-downloads/2016/2015-10-28_2016_ESC_rules_PUBLIC_EN.pdf

The voting criteria are here:
https://www.eurovision.tv/page/voting
Voting for Armenia because "my husband is from Armenia" is a violation of these rules.

 

[nikolay_BG]

Guys, you do understand that "my husband is Armenian and I am for Armenia" is a joke right? People are allowed to make jokes.

That being said, what Anastasiya Stotskaya (the name of the woman) did is bad and she deserves to get some punishment.

 

[WhoKnows]

Guys, you do understand that "my husband is Armenian and I am for Armenia" is a joke right? People are allowed to make jokes.

This, tbh. Some people need to just calm down.

They probably didn't even vote for Armenia because it's Russia's biggest competition in the semi.

 

[Dessi]

The EBU is aware of this live broadcast and they are investigating this.

 

[EscGeek]

Replace 5 jurors with 10 random fans across the country!...problem solved

 

[GermanBango]

Replace 5 jurors with 10 random fans across the country!...problem solved

I actually think that this wouldn't be the worst idea - We fans are actually analyzing EVERYTHING!

 

[Brandt]

The Russian entry may not be disqualified

Russian entry has nothing to do with juries. They are two completely different matters.

Excluding Russian jury votes? Cool.
Excluding Russian entry? Not at all in all unfairness.