Russia RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova - I Won't Break

[Ezio]

Maybe they were mad at her for actually insisting on participating this year instead of accepting that they never wanted her to be on the Eurovision stage in the first place. What they brought to the stage just doesn't look like a sincere effort at all. If they really meant to get a decent result, they must be deluded enough to think that they can get away with anything.

Sounds legit. She put a lot of public pressure on the TV channel and earned devastation

 

[Realest]

11th with the Public......

 

[John1]

would have made it through with this adorable entry. Period.

 

[Quent91]

Again, I am SICK of the booings in the room, fucking disrespectful audience. But we don't need to explain more, we perfectly know who are the people booing at Russia everytime they sing on stage/appear on the screen/get points during the voting.

Anyway, Julia placed 11th with the televotes and 17th with the juries, so she wouldn't have passed either way.

 

[Alaska49]

flame is burning would have died as hard as this one lmao. don't kid yourselves. this song at least existed.

the people trying to boo Our Future Overlord polina bogusevich were not cute AT ALL though. not only booing any teenager is horrible and heartless, but this is something she will remember when she becomes the eurovision empress the second she turns age eligible for adult eurovision. SAVE YOURSELVES NOW.

 

[toinou03]

Indeed. I don't see what was the point to boo Alsou while giving her points... There are way more wicked countries out there, and I don't think that neither Alsou nor Julia Samountainlova commited any crime against humanity...

 

[Carian]

I liked Yulia's song last year, and I liked it this year. However, I will be frank and admit that her live performance was rather poor, and I hated staging. I've said immediately after seeing the staging that she wouldn't qualify. However, since I was really disappointed and I try not to spread negativism, I have abstained from making comments.

Next, about 60 pages back in this thread (about two months ago), I have started a couple of harsh "fights" here with people who came here to trash Yulia, not for sake of her song nor anything else related to the act, but only because they have something against Russians. Back then I was accused of spamming and shuting down the debate. So, yesterday, I came here after one months not clicking on this thread. And what do I see? A detailed report about how Russians are discussing Yulia's failure along with all the jucy details such as what homophobic comments were made, what harsh words were said about anyone etc.

Well, guys, allow me to tell you couple of things. Gay hate crime is not a thing of the past in Western Europe either. One can find gay hatred and homophobic comments among the top politicians of the entire Western and Central Europe. Spitting on Russia, booing them for this reason is as stupid as our pretending that we who do not live in Russia live in the perfect, or at least better, world.

Next, the Western and Northern hypocracy is even more disturbing when we look at those boos that go for any non-Western and non-Northern European country that gives out points to their neighbourly country. There were today actually quite a few commentators here who expressed their dissatisfaction with these boos that go in the arena for Balkan countries, Greece and Cyprus, and ex-USSR countries. On the other hand, when Baltics, Scandinavians, and German speaking countries hand out their 12 points to their neighbours, then, the commentators are accompanied by applause. Double standards and hypocracy, if you ask me!

So, guys, while you dance here on Russia's (= Yulia's) corpse out of joy cuz she failed to qualify and take her failure as an excuse to perpetuate the myth of "devilish, homophobic Russia(ns)", let me say that I am much more concerned for the rights of handicaped people in Russia. Yeah, the amount of disapproval which Yulia got from her people based on her disabilities is for me much more worrying issue than gay rights in Russia. You know, gays can still escape Russia if they are healthy, and find a place to live their lives, but handicaped people can't.

I could go on for several more paragraphs, but I will stop here. Why? Because my writing here won't make any difference. However, karma is a b*tch. You know how English say: what goes around comes around. And not one of us should think that we will be spared of negative actions/reactions from people around us if we treat them poorly and with disrespect. My wish is that we would be better people than haters. But I guess, this is only my WISH. Enjoy, guys.

 

[Realest]

and German speaking countries hand out their 12 points to their neighbours, then, the commentators are accompanied by applause. Double standards and hypocracy, if you ask me!
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In the Opposite to several EX-UDSSR Countries, the german speaking Countries dont have an unfair highpolitical Votingblock who vote for each other nomatter what the Song is. Were objective, neutral and fair and give each other every Amount of Points from 0-12 depending on the Songquality, what the initial Thought of this Musiccontest was supposed to be. Germany totally deserved those 12 Points from Switzerland because it was a musicwise Judgement like the Votinghistory proves. But when Countries like Belarus give ca. 6 in 9 Occasions their 12 Points to Russia even in those years were Russia is faraway from being a Topfavourite (2010 and 14 for example) that it is ridiculous.

 

[Carian]

In the Opposite to several EX-UDSSR Countries, the german speaking Countries dont have an unfair highpolitical Votingblock who vote for each other nomatter what the Song is. Were objective, neutral and fair and give each other every Amount of Points from 0-12 depending on the Songquality, what the initial Thought of this Musiccontest was supposed to be. Germany totally deserved those 12 Points from Switzerland because it was a musicwise Judgement like the Votinghistory proves. But when Countries like Belarus give ca. 6 in 9 Occasions their 12 Points to Russia even in those years were Russia is faraway from being a Topfavourite (2010 and 14 for example) that it is ridiculous.

Well, perhaps this German-speaking "block" is not as visible (yet) as Scandinavian-Baltic, but you have to admit that ever since juries were reintroduced, Switzerland, Austria and Germany are no longer as generous with their points for Balkan countries as they used to be. And this is the fact. On the other hand, why no-one boos when Portugal gives 12 points to Spain? Or when Albania gives 12 points to Italy? In the meanwhile, when Italy or Macedonia in the past were giving 12 points to Albania due to the number of Albanians living in the respective countries, then, people in the arena were loudly booing. Even if you minimalize the importance of the "German-speaking block", you know that I am right. Booing comes from the West to the East and from the North to the East, but not vice versa. And then we wonder why Russians are upset and discuss ESC so seriously? I am not surprised, because if my representatives and commentators were treated the way Russian are, I wouldn't want to take part in ESC either - it is simply degrading and humiliating. And this entire thread here makes my point even stronger.

 

[Realest]

Well, perhaps this German-speaking "block" is not as visible (yet) as Scandinavian-Baltic, but you have to admit that ever since juries were reintroduced, Switzerland, Austria and Germany are no longer as generous with their points for Balkan countries as they used to be. And this is the fact. On the other hand, why no-one boos when Portugal gives 12 points to Spain? Or when Albania gives 12 points to Italy? In the meanwhile, when Italy or Macedonia in the past were giving 12 points to Albania due to the number of Albanians living in the respective countries, then, people in the arena were loudly booing. Even if you minimalize the importance of the "German-speaking block", you know that I am right. Booing comes from the West to the East and from the North to the East, but not vice versa. And then we wonder why Russians are upset and discuss ESC so seriously? I am not surprised, because if my representatives and commentators were treated the way Russian are, I wouldn't want to take part in ESC either - it is simply degrading and humiliating. And this entire thread here makes my point even stronger.

0,12,8,3,1,7,0, Were the Points Switzerand gave us from 2009-2015.
0+8, 0+3, 12+6 are the Jury+TV-Points Switzerland gave es from 2016-18 with the New System.

Germany gave to Switzerland:
0,0,2,4,0 in the Years 2009, (Semi) 2010 (Semi), 2011,2014, 2015 (Semi)
2+0, 2+0 Points to Switzerland 2016-17 in the Semis (Jury + TV-Points).

Please tell me that there is a german-Speaking Votingblock...

The Reason why Albania often give 12 Points to Italy is because Albanian People love Italian Music and Italy is Main-Travelgoal for Albanian Emmigrants. This is no political. But Belarus and Azerbaijan very often give 12 Points to Russia nomatter how Famous or Unfamous the Russian Artists are and although the Russian Songs are random and have nothing to do with the Country Russia. The Same Song could Represent Netherlands and the belarussian/azeri Juries wouldnt give 12 Points. I mean look at 2004,05,14 and tell me those 12 Points from Belarus to Russia had anything to do with Music..

 

[AlekS]

So, yesterday, I came here after one months not clicking on this thread. And what do I see? A detailed report about how Russians are discussing Yulia's failure along with all the jucy details such as what homophobic comments were made, what harsh words were said about anyone etc.

Well, guys, allow me to tell you couple of things. Gay hate crime is not a thing of the past in Western Europe either. One can find gay hatred and homophobic comments among the top politicians of the entire Western and Central Europe. Spitting on Russia, booing them for this reason is as stupid as our pretending that we who do not live in Russia live in the perfect, or at least better, world.

Russians (as nationality) discussing her failure or the Russian broadcaster?

Gay hate crime is not a thing you expect to witness 2 hours before the show at the participating state broadcaster.
All the guests were invited by the broadcaster which knew perfectly whom they invited.
The TV host says what's written in the script.
Did it happen in other countries? Western Europe? Only in Russia and China.

And yes, karma is a b*tch - what goes around comes around. All crimes will be punished whether it's hatred against other countries or even regions, homophobia or covering/defending the offenders.


ps. And it's awesome that Yulia showed us there are people who have guts to disagree with that staged madness.

 

[wtf]

Remember what Russia came up with after Mans won? They basically took the concept and levelled it up many times.

Now imagine what happens in 2019 if they see Toy as a perfect winning entry?

 

[Carian]

Russians (as nationality) discussing her failure or the Russian broadcaster?

Gay hate crime is not a thing you expect to witness 2 hours before the show at the participating state broadcaster.
All the guests were invited by the broadcaster which knew perfectly whom they invited.
The TV host says what's written in the script.
Did it happen in other countries? Western Europe? Only in Russia and China.

And yes, karma is a b*tch - what goes around comes around. All crimes will be punished whether it's hatred against other countries or even regions, homophobia or covering/defending the offenders.


ps. And it's awesome that Yulia showed us there are people who have guts to disagree with that staged madness.

Whoever runs the national broadcaster in Russia is very smart and obviously sympathetic to gays. I find it quite interesting that ESC and gay fandom that is integral to ESC is discussed on national broadcaster. Isn't this against Putin's law? Aren't you supposed to pretend there aren't gays in Russia? Isn't this gay propaganda? When they discuss these things on their national TV, people tune in and there are many of them who are smart to understand that there is a bunch of nonsense said by guests. The more outrageous guests you invite the more ridiculous they appear. For me, this entire show is a complete victory for gays in Russia cuz they talked at least about gays who are not allowed to be visible. Perhaps, they should do two or three or four more TV debates in order to discuss it more. Indeed more stupid homophobic guests should come and show people how stupid their arguments are. So, please, chill out, and stop screaming how something like this can happen ONLY in Russia. As far as I am informed, perhaps two or three shows like this wouldn't be of any harm in Ukraine either, since gays in Ukraine are also not that visible. I wonder why. Oh, right, cuz Ukrainians simply adore gays. But wait, how come then that there are clips of social experiments on YT where two guys pretend to be gays, walk down the street in Kiev, and they get attacked by complete strangers? Well, I assume that because your national broadcaster discusses gay rights and gay issues in Ukraine on daily basis.

AlekS, have fun, and enjoy the moment. And yes, my karma will sought me for sure one day, but I wonder if it has in its bag for me what yours has it for you. I am out for this year

 

[Carian]

0,12,8,3,1,7,0, Were the Points Switzerand gave us from 2009-2015.
0+8, 0+3, 12+6 are the Jury+TV-Points Switzerland gave es from 2016-18 with the New System.

Germany gave to Switzerland:
0,0,2,4,0 in the Years 2009, (Semi) 2010 (Semi), 2011,2014, 2015 (Semi)
2+0, 2+0 Points to Switzerland 2016-17 in the Semis (Jury + TV-Points).

Please tell me that there is a german-Speaking Votingblock...

The Reason why Albania often give 12 Points to Italy is because Albanian People love Italian Music and Italy is Main-Travelgoal for Albanian Emmigrants. This is no political. But Belarus and Azerbaijan very often give 12 Points to Russia nomatter how Famous or Unfamous the Russian Artists are and although the Russian Songs are random and have nothing to do with the Country Russia. The Same Song could Represent Netherlands and the belarussian/azeri Juries wouldnt give 12 Points. I mean look at 2004,05,14 and tell me those 12 Points from Belarus to Russia had anything to do with Music..

And Austria? In any case, perhaps you do not get 12 points each year from your southern neighbours, but the growing/mutual affection is becoming palpable. I know that I am not imagining. In fact, I think that Slovenia actually got less points from Croatia, Serbia etc. in this period than you got from Switzerland. However, already in 2011, when we got 10 points from Macedonia, people were booing, the same year, we got another pair of 12 points from Croatia and Bosnia, and 10 points from Serbia. All given in silence, audience did not cheer like when other countries received high points. I guess they did not boo us out of pitty that year. Anyways, we have qualified 5 times since the introduction of the semifinals, and whenever we got to the finals, we were given 12,10 or 8 points only 8 times in the grand final (7 times from ex-Yugoslav countries, and once from Andorra). Only twice there was sincere cheering when we got those points from other ex-Yugoslav countries. Otherwise, silence or booing. Did we deserve it? Oh, and here you get your answer why we give our points to other ex-YU countries. Cuz they are the only who actually give us any decent points. If there weren't other ex-YU countries, we would have probably qualified only 3 times up till now. So, is booing justified in Slovenia's case? If it is, then I am surely not imagining the newly forming German-speaking alliance. Greetings!

 

[Realest]

And Austria? In any case, perhaps you do not get 12 points each year from your southern neighbours, but the growing/mutual affection is becoming palpable. I know that I am not imagining. In fact, I think that Slovenia actually got less points from Croatia, Serbia etc. in this period than you got from Switzerland. However, already in 2011, when we got 10 points from Macedonia, people were booing, the same year, we got another pair of 12 points from Croatia and Bosnia, and 10 points from Serbia. All given in silence, audience did not cheer like when other countries received high points. I guess they did not boo us out of pitty that year. Anyways, we have qualified 5 times since the introduction of the semifinals, and whenever we got to the finals, we were given 12,10 or 8 points only 8 times in the grand final (7 times from ex-Yugoslav countries, and once from Andorra). Only twice there was sincere cheering when we got those points from other ex-Yugoslav countries. Otherwise, silence or booing. Did we deserve it? Oh, and here you get your answer why we give our points to other ex-YU countries. Cuz they are the only who actually give us any decent points. If there weren't other ex-YU countries, we would have probably qualified only 3 times up till now. So, is booing justified in Slovenia's case? If it is, then I am surely not imagining the newly forming German-speaking alliance. Greetings!

Please stop trolling, 3 years in a row we didnt get a Juryvote neither from Austria nor from Switzerland. You are imagining. This Alliance doesnt exist.
And the Macedonien Spokesperson from 2011 got deservedly booed. Not for giving 10 Points to Slovenia, but for giving the whole 8-12 Points to all 3 exyugo-neighbours. And Macedonia did this nearly every year from 2004-2011 if you check the History.

 

[Chorizo]

Again, I am SICK of the booings in the room, fucking disrespectful audience. But we don't need to explain more, we perfectly know who are the people booing at Russia everytime they sing on stage/appear on the screen/get points during the voting.

Anyway, Julia placed 11th with the televotes and 17th with the juries, so she wouldn't have passed either way.

Booing Russia will never be wrong as long as the country keeps heading in the current direction.

 

[Chorizo]

flame is burning would have died as hard as this one lmao. don't kid yourselves. this song at least existed.

the people trying to boo Our Future Overlord polina bogusevich were not cute AT ALL though. not only booing any teenager is horrible and heartless, but this is something she will remember when she becomes the eurovision empress the second she turns age eligible for adult eurovision. SAVE YOURSELVES NOW.

Did I miss something or did they really refrain from mentioning that she is from Russia? At least I didn't notice it and thought they avoided naming that country in order to avoid the boos.

 

[Chorizo]

Indeed. I don't see what was the point to boo Alsou while giving her points... There are way more wicked countries out there, and I don't think that neither Alsou nor Julia Samountainlova commited any crime against humanity...

Russia didn't give a single point to Austria. I think the reason for this is that Austria is the country that sent Conchita. They might be racist too. Boos fully deserved!

 

[lavieenrose]

oh no

 

[Chorizo]

Remember what Russia came up with after Mans won? They basically took the concept and levelled it up many times.

Now imagine what happens in 2019 if they see Toy as a perfect winning entry?

I can imagine a pop song performed by Sergey Lazarev and written by Philipp Kirkorov titled "Not My Toy" featuring the lyrics "I'm not your boy, you stupid toy". It will be a song about a guy using his roommate's vibrator by mistake. The staging will feature a projection wall with multiple doors and a few backing singers dressed up as vibrators that will take turns coming out of one of these doors and disappearing in another one. It might win the televote. Looking forward to the drama next year.