Russia RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova - I Won't Break

[Chorizo]

Whoever runs the national broadcaster in Russia is very smart and obviously sympathetic to gays. I find it quite interesting that ESC and gay fandom that is integral to ESC is discussed on national broadcaster. Isn't this against Putin's law? Aren't you supposed to pretend there aren't gays in Russia? Isn't this gay propaganda? When they discuss these things on their national TV, people tune in and there are many of them who are smart to understand that there is a bunch of nonsense said by guests. The more outrageous guests you invite the more ridiculous they appear. For me, this entire show is a complete victory for gays in Russia cuz they talked at least about gays who are not allowed to be visible. Perhaps, they should do two or three or four more TV debates in order to discuss it more. Indeed more stupid homophobic guests should come and show people how stupid their arguments are. So, please, chill out, and stop screaming how something like this can happen ONLY in Russia. As far as I am informed, perhaps two or three shows like this wouldn't be of any harm in Ukraine either, since gays in Ukraine are also not that visible. I wonder why. Oh, right, cuz Ukrainians simply adore gays. But wait, how come then that there are clips of social experiments on YT where two guys pretend to be gays, walk down the street in Kiev, and they get attacked by complete strangers? Well, I assume that because your national broadcaster discusses gay rights and gay issues in Ukraine on daily basis.

AlekS, have fun, and enjoy the moment. And yes, my karma will sought me for sure one day, but I wonder if it has in its bag for me what yours has it for you. I am out for this year

It's only against the law to say something positive about homosexuality and to treat it as something normal. If you say negative things about it, that doesn't violate the law and that's all they did and ever do on Russian TV. These crazy guests don't make a negative impression on most people in the audience because the average Russian fully agrees with their perverted homophobic world view. Those that disagree already do so without these shows.

 

[Chorizo]

And Austria? In any case, perhaps you do not get 12 points each year from your southern neighbours, but the growing/mutual affection is becoming palpable. I know that I am not imagining. In fact, I think that Slovenia actually got less points from Croatia, Serbia etc. in this period than you got from Switzerland. However, already in 2011, when we got 10 points from Macedonia, people were booing, the same year, we got another pair of 12 points from Croatia and Bosnia, and 10 points from Serbia. All given in silence, audience did not cheer like when other countries received high points. I guess they did not boo us out of pitty that year. Anyways, we have qualified 5 times since the introduction of the semifinals, and whenever we got to the finals, we were given 12,10 or 8 points only 8 times in the grand final (7 times from ex-Yugoslav countries, and once from Andorra). Only twice there was sincere cheering when we got those points from other ex-Yugoslav countries. Otherwise, silence or booing. Did we deserve it? Oh, and here you get your answer why we give our points to other ex-YU countries. Cuz they are the only who actually give us any decent points. If there weren't other ex-YU countries, we would have probably qualified only 3 times up till now. So, is booing justified in Slovenia's case? If it is, then I am surely not imagining the newly forming German-speaking alliance. Greetings!

You think the 12 points for Serbia from Montenegro were justified? That was nothing but neighbor voting and everyone knows it. Those boos were deserved. If Serbia had been a favorite, the people wouldn't have booed. When one of the weakest songs in the final that is close to the bottom of the scoreboard gets 12 points from its neighbor and nobody else, that proves that the jury is biased for political reasons. Obviously that doesn't sit well with the audience.

 

[Rusch]

You think the 12 points for Serbia from Montenegro were justified? That was nothing but neighbor voting and everyone knows it. Those boos were deserved. If Serbia had been a favorite, the people wouldn't have booed. When one of the weakest songs in the final that is close to the bottom of the scoreboard gets 12 points from its neighbor and nobody else, that proves that the jury is biased for political reasons. Obviously that doesn't sit well with the audience.

It seemed like a a case of block voting. But I think that was merely that the share the same language (or at least the same folkloristic background).
I didn't like the song, but I liked Yulia. It was a pitty, that she had to start with such a weak song.

 

[A-lister]

Watching their Eurovision final's pre-show on the First Channel for the lulzs and god knows I've got them.

One TV host from their broadcaster: "They didn't allow her to compete last year. They could have allowed her to sing in the final, for heck's sake!"
This is the same TV host who created propahandist docu series about North Korea.

They hinted their televoters to vote for Moldova & Norway.



Oh shit! They slammed Conchita... Some female politician: "a bearded "woman" won but a real girl couldn't qualify!"
"Satanic code is being promoted in Europe!" ZOMG!
Big amount of hate against Ukraine from the TV host and guests: "They want to destroy the normal world!"


Another woman: "Lazarev was the real winner. The real winner didn't win. We will never win. This is biased political contest. Ukraine won with the song about Crimean refugees (Refugees?! WTF! Bitch, it's about Stalin henocide. You can't count? 1944? )".
Their ESC commentator shut that bitch up! Yas!


Yulia is THE most adequate & sweetest person there btw.
Kristian Kostov is there as well.

Crazy politician pointing at Yuliya & her husband: "This is a woman and a man! Not parent #1 and not parent #2! Not two men! These are the real family values! And this is how it should be" *huge round of applause & cheers in the studio*.

Yulia tried to object: "this is NOT a contest of family values! It's about music"

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[Quent91]

Booing Russia will never be wrong as long as the country keeps heading in the current direction.

what "direction" ?

 

[Chorizo]

what "direction" ?

As long as Putin is in power and not replaced with someone leading the country in a better way booing is justified.

 

[Quent91]

As long as Putin is in power and not replaced with someone leading the country in a better way booing is justified.

no one but Poutine can rule a country like Russia.

but you're taking me on a political ground, and it's not the right place.

 

[Chorizo]

no one but Poutine can rule a country like Russia.

but you're taking me on a political ground, and it's not the right place.

You're making me hungry:

 

[Gera11]

Respect to Julia tbh, she could've spin this in a political way, like other sore losers, but she didn't.

No excuse for non-qualification, says Julia Samoylova
http://esctoday.com/166377/russia-no-excuse-for-non-qualification-says-julia-samoylova/

 

[Preuss]

As long as Putin is in power and not replaced with someone leading the country in a better way booing is justified.

jesus christ the artists representing Russia do not represent the political Russia

 

[Realest]

Respect to Julia tbh, she could've spin this in a political way, like other sore losers, but she didn't.

No excuse for non-qualification, says Julia Samoylova
http://esctoday.com/166377/russia-no-excuse-for-non-qualification-says-julia-samoylova/

She is right. She is not the Victim of Politics. She is the Winner of Politics. Those 51 Points have nothing to do with Musics.

 

[John1]

Respect to Julia tbh, she could've spin this in a political way, like other sore losers, but she didn't.

No excuse for non-qualification, says Julia Samoylova
http://esctoday.com/166377/russia-no-excuse-for-non-qualification-says-julia-samoylova/

She cried so much following her NQ that I thought she would blame Europe for all the hatred that some countries have towards Russia, but she didn't. Julia seems so gentle, she didn't deserve to represent her country with such a difficult song to perform.

 

[Realest]

She cried so much following her NQ that I thought she would blame Europe for all the hatred that some countries have towards Russia, but she didn't. Julia seems so gentle, she didn't deserve to represent her country with such a difficult song to perform.

She didnt deserve to represent her Country with any Song

 

[Sammy]

She cried so much following her NQ that I thought she would blame Europe for all the hatred that some countries have towards Russia, but she didn't. Julia seems so gentle, she didn't deserve to represent her country with such a difficult song to perform.

What exactly is so difficult about the song? The high parts were sung by the backing vocalists mainly, the rest is fairly easy to sing. Or are you referring to her personal difficulties with english songs in general?

 

[John1]

What exactly is so difficult about the song? The high parts were sung by the backing vocalists mainly, the rest is fairly easy to sing. Or are you referring to her personal difficulties with english songs in general?

I was referring to her illness, from which she suffers.

 

[Chorizo]

jesus christ the artists representing Russia do not represent the political Russia

Sure, just like Polina Gagarina, who sang about peace in 2015 and joined the #PutinTeam this year...

 

[vavera4ka]

The Reason why Albania often give 12 Points to Italy is because Albanian People love Italian Music and Italy is Main-Travelgoal for Albanian Emmigrants. This is no political. But Belarus and Azerbaijan very often give 12 Points to Russia nomatter how Famous or Unfamous the Russian Artists are and although the Russian Songs are random and have nothing to do with the Country Russia. The Same Song could Represent Netherlands and the belarussian/azeri Juries wouldnt give 12 Points. I mean look at 2004,05,14 and tell me those 12 Points from Belarus to Russia had anything to do with Music..

The Reason why Belarus often give 12 Points to Russia is because Belarusian People love Russian Music and Russia is Main-Travelgoal for Belarusian Emmigrants. This is no political. But Albania very often give 12 Points to Italy nomatter how Famous or Unfamous the Italian Artists are and although the Italian Songs are random and have nothing to do with the Country Italy.


here, it works this way too.

For the record, I don't mind neighbor voting very much.
It is logical. that for example Montenegro would give 12 points to Serbia, cause they have similar taste and language. The entries speak to them.
Also Russia hasn't really sent "unpopular" artists... the most unpopular probably were the twins. The rest were either already big stars in exUSSR countries, or winners of Russian Voice, that Belarus tunes into every week, just like Russia.

What I hate more in the last few years is not diaspora vote, but a blatant vote against the direct competition. There are 3-4-5 favs every year and it looks like more and more of those favs give as little to each other as possible.
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[Realest]

The Reason why Belarus often give 12 Points to Russia is because Belarusian People love Russian Music and Russia is Main-Travelgoal for Belarusian Emmigrants. This is no political. But Albania very often give 12 Points to Italy nomatter how Famous or Unfamous the Italian Artists are and although the Italian Songs are random and have nothing to do with the Country Italy.


here, it works this way too.

For the record, I don't mind neighbor voting very much.
It is logical. that for example Montenegro would give 12 points to Serbia, cause they have similar taste and language. The entries speak to them.
Also Russia hasn't really sent "unpopular" artists... the most unpopular probably were the twins. The rest were either already big stars in exUSSR countries, or winners of Russian Voice, that Belarus tunes into every week, just like Russia.

What I hate more in the last few years is not diaspora vote, but a blatant vote against the direct competition. There are 3-4-5 favs every year and it looks like more and more of those favs give as little to each other as possible.
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As I said, Italy always sings in their Language and brings SOngs that have anything to do with their Own Musicculture. But Songs like "Shine", "believe me", "Nobody hurts noone" or "Lost and Forgotten" have nothing to do with Russia, so there is no Justification to give 12 Points to Russia, while those 12 Points from Albania to Italy were all justified.

 

[wtf]

https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/8kkaax/julia_samoylova_wanted_to_withdraw_from/

Read the article and the Reddit comments, which gives even more insight. Makes me cry. I want Yulia to be given another chance by some other country. I'm so sorry for what she had to go through.

At least she's smarter than the delegation. I loved her comment of how Eurovision is about music, not family values. Also, seeing her dancing to Ukraine's song and Jessica talking to her.. at least she experienced the support of other musicians from other nations. Be strong, girl!

 

[pras]

Nobody hurts noone is probably the most Russian entry ever sent by Russia till now.