Russia RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova - I Won't Break

[John1]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

No confirmation, no official announcement. Still, the title has been updated. :?

 

[A-lister]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

No confirmation, no official announcement. Still, the title has been updated. :?

I know right? Will Russia really continue milk last year's politicized provocative faux "sob-story"? I still believe they want to come back to slay. and you don't do that with a tone-deaf singer who has zero talent with material that was written by a 10-year old, produced in some low budget old 90's home studio

 

[Scooby]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

With every new year old stories stay about Russia. This forum become sick long time ago

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

I can't really think of any legit reason for people to object to Yulia this year (unless you think there should be some sort of political test to approve "suitable" Eurovision artists... ) Whether you think she should have been allowed or banned last year it doesn't really matter now, the Contest is in Lisbon this year and I'm glad that we will be able to get back to Eurovision without it being dragged into foreign disputes between participating countries.

 

[A-lister]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

I can't really think of any legit reason for people to object to Yulia this year (unless you think there should be some sort of political test to approve "suitable" Eurovision artists... ) Whether you think she should have been allowed or banned last year it doesn't really matter now, the Contest is in Lisbon this year and I'm glad that we will be able to get back to Eurovision without it being dragged into foreign disputes between participating countries.

So it's not a legit reason to "object" her based on her lack of talents and back-catalog of crappy songs (obviously her "entry" in 2017 is amongst them)?

I don't care if she'll go or not, I just think Russia will (and should) aim higher that's all... last year was last year, this year is another reality. Will the Russian broadcaster try to milk last year's story if they'll send her? Probably so, atleast to some extent, but for sure it won't be as efficient.

I just want a good entry that's all and I can't see her bringing anything good, but I'm open to be surprised, but her talents are still lacking so they need good backing vocalists to cover up for her then.

 

[aardvark]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

I can think of a good reason: She can't sing.

Legit enough?

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

So it's not a legit reason to "object" her based on her lack of talents and back-catalog of crappy songs (obviously her "entry" in 2017 is amongst them)?

Well of course it is legit for someone not to want her to be chosen this year based on her music ability (I agree with you, I don't like her song last year or singing) but I think objecting to an artist is something different, and from what I seen people have not been focusing on her talent or lack of it, more her association with last year and her political stances and those of her country

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

For example I have even seen one person stating that although this is Russia continuing to play dirty in a way they are glad she is chosen so that Russia are unable to win (would be ironic if they turned round and won the whole thing lol). Totally unlegit!

 

[A-lister]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

Well of course it is legit for someone not to want her to be chosen this year based on her music ability (I agree with you, I don't like her song last year or singing) but I think objecting to an artist is something different, and from what I seen people have not been focusing on her talent or lack of it, more her association with last year and her political stances and those of her country

Well, I was vocal about the whole thing last year, but it was more directed at the whole politicization and using her as some sort of prop for that by the Russian broadcaster (of course she is an adult and is also responsible for her actions), but regardless of the mess last year, the song was crap and she is an untalented singer so that's my main concern this year if they are going to pick her. Surely if they'll come with the whole sob-story about how she was "banned" last year it will be hilarious and tragic at the same time, but atleast this year I can't object them sending her based on anything other than her lack of talents and good material. I would hope for less politicization though, I mean regardless of who they will send they will for sure make a point about last year's "banning", but atleast for me I can try to ignore that if they bring their A game musically and bottom line... that's not her.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

Well, I was vocal about the whole thing last year, but it was more directed at the whole politicization and using her as some sort of prop for that by the Russian broadcaster (of course she is an adult and is also responsible for her actions), but regardless of the mess last year, the song was crap and she is an untalented singer so that's my main concern this year if they are going to pick her. Surely if they'll come with the whole sob-story about how she was "banned" last year it will be hilarious and tragic at the same time, but atleast this year I can't object them sending her based on anything other than her lack of talents and good material. I would hope for less politicization though, I mean regardless of who they will send they will for sure make a point about last year's "banning", but atleast for me I can try to ignore that if they bring their A game musically and bottom line... that's not her.

Well we actually agree about much of this, however you can look back here and see that not everyone is objecting to her based on musical ability

Also I would say that musical taste is very subjective and although Yulia is not the most talented person musically, she is not the worst either I see plenty of people supporting artists and songs I think are dire but that's just what happens, I don't object to the artist. Although I haven't liked many Russian entries since Dima Bilan I am glad to have them back in the Contest, participating alongside Ukraine, and they have sent some entries that were at or below Yulia's talent-levels (for instance Grannies, Peter Nalitch, Anastasia) however those entries had quite popular support from the Eurofans (certainly few objections), but that was in the era before it got 'popular' to hate Russia politically. I know you don't, but the fact is some Eurofans are just objecting to Russia and Yulia for "other reasons".

This is not to you but just an observation that some Eurofans complaining about Russia's political gameplaying etc in the Contest are the very same Eurofans who you know would jump at the first chance of excluding Russia from Eurovision permenantly because the Russians don't fit with their political ideals. Two peas from the same pod?

 

[Scooby]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

Untalented girl without singing ability? And Erik Saade is master of singing. If we talk about overrated countries on this contest, than Sweden is definitely on the top of the list.

If this is the worst singing ever that every word is superfluous

from 1:21

 

[Realest]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

Eric Saade was only an average Singer, but lets not forget this is no Singing Contest but a Songcontest and apart from his average singing skills, he had charisma, a very good performance, a good look (nohomo of course ), and according to millions a very strong song. So in the End a convincing Full-Package. And Although I found 3rd Place for "Popular" was too high, in general deserves all the high Places since they really really work hard for their success and brought Eurovision to a new Level.

 

[Realest]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

I can't really think of any legit reason for people to object to Yulia this year (unless you think there should be some sort of political test to approve "suitable" Eurovision artists... ) Whether you think she should have been allowed or banned last year it doesn't really matter now, the Contest is in Lisbon this year and I'm glad that we will be able to get back to Eurovision without it being dragged into foreign disputes between participating countries.

Its only my opinion but I will never forget her Dirty Game from Last year. In my eyes its her fault that:
UABC had to pay 200K fine for not being able tto influence te ukrainian Law,
Many ESC-Fans (me included) got their Anticipation destroyed or at least damaged.
The Brand ESC suffered.
The ESC lost 20 Mio. Viewers
Ukraine got a big Reputation Damage
and Everything was suddenly only about Politics and the Musical Value of this Tournament was only second-rate.

This all could have been prevented if she honorfully withdrew her ESC-Participation, since she exactly knew that she has deservedly no right to enter. But no, she did everything possible to cause Drama. So in my eyes, there is actually no space for her in our peaceful Eurovision. But still, Ill give her a fair Chance to convince me with her Song, since its supposed to be a Music Contest.

 

[Mrm]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

I prefer "Flame is burning" to "Popular: by MILES...and last year many ppl on yt praaised "Flame is burning"...I can't stand "Popular" and Eric Saade...so it is subjective of course..

I don't see the proper reason to mention Eric here at all, but hey ho....

 

[tuorem]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

This is not to you but just an observation that some Eurofans complaining about Russia's political gameplaying etc in the Contest are the very same Eurofans who you know would jump at the first chance of excluding Russia from Eurovision permenantly because the Russians don't fit with their political ideals. Two peas from the same pod?

Couldn't agree more on that. Is it tea time already?

Just to be safe, I'll wait for the official announcement (which I suspect will come late on purpose...) from the broadcaster, because - as one of the four people in this world who appreciated "Flame Is Burning" - I'd be delighted to see Samoylova at Eurovision.

I believe in her potential personally. Sorry for countering the "she can't sing" argument, we've had plenty of much more vocally dodgy participants in the past and it has never been an issue results-wise if the song appealed to people.

I also don't understand why she couldn't have a great song... vocals and talent don't have anything to do with it when the broadcaster itself chooses the entry. Hence why choosing her doesn't mean giving up on a second victory imo.

Anyway, if she really is the one for Lisbon, she'll be burned at the stake either way: whether she fails ("We told ya!") or succeeds ("Pity votes won the day").

 

[A-lister]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

Untalented girl without singing ability? And Erik Saade is master of singing. If we talk about overrated countries on this contest, than Sweden is definitely on the top of the list.

Not sure what Sweden has got do with anything here? If you want to make a point, I think you can do better than that childish argument you just made; "Hey you criticized a singer or country's broadcaster I like?, so now I have to randomly criticize your country in ESC by choosing a random singer from the past that is unrelated to the topic to make some random point" ... I mean really!?

Anyways, I didn't even say Russia was overrated in the contest (so not sure where the "your country is one of the most overrated ones"-line came from), nor do I like Eric Saade (he is a crappy singer with crappy songs), atleast I can give him (and his team) that "Popular" was well-enough-produced and catchy enough with an efficient enough performance... how that is in anyway relevant to this topic though I dunno

 

[A-lister]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

I believe in her potential personally. Sorry for countering the "she can't sing" argument, we've had plenty of much more vocally dodgy participants in the past and it has never been an issue results-wise if the song appealed to people.

I also don't understand why she couldn't have a great song... vocals and talent don't have anything to do with it when the broadcaster itself chooses the entry. Hence why choosing her doesn't mean giving up on a second victory imo.

This is true, but ESC these days are slightly different than in the mid 00's, you can't get away with being a talentless singer as easy as before as the juries are practically running the contest as "The Voice of Europe", so even with a good entry, you still need to be able to carry a tune (unfortunately for us song contest lovers, a bad entry will get unproportionally much love only based on singing, but that's another discussion...).

But yeah, atleast to some extent still, a mediocre singer can manage a good result with a good enough entry and performance and a good singer can carry a mediocre tune further (in particular with juries emphasizing on vocals rather than songs), however a singer who doesn't have the singing skills nor a good entry would fail, and atleast based on Yulia's previous attempt and her back-catalog, there's nothing really worthy there so what could we base our opinions on if not that?

Yes, she could get a stronger entry this time around, only time will tell (if she actually will be the entrant), but then they would need to cover her in backing vocals to make it work live.

 

[Geborgenheit]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

Anyways, I didn't even say Russia was overrated in the contest

Let me say this: Russia is extremely overrated in the contest. Even with mediocre songs Russia can always be in the final thanks to the Russian diaspora. A the same time, Sweden is hugely overrated too.

I think Russia deserves some credit if they send Yulia Samoylova. Their talks about sending Yulia again were not lies.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

Well Eric Saade is obvs the best Eurovision singer in history, but moving on from him...

Its only my opinion but I will never forget her Dirty Game from Last year.

Last year was obviously a disaster and while Russia was playing games, Ukraine messed up too (Russia knew she had visited Crimea and would make it awkward for Ukraine, Ukraine didn't ban her from entering the country until after Russia had selected her even though her visit had been two years previously). I think there is no point dwelling on what happened last year it's now done and time to move on, in the end the EBU came to a compromise that I thought was acceptable and Russia chose not to participate so I don't think they can complain about being "banished" (I don't actually think they will tbh). But it's a new year now and both Russia and Ukraine should start afresh. They should make use of Eurovision being away from their neighbourhood to try and build bridges realising that political differences don't mean that they have to be opponents culturally. Politically I don't agree with Russian government on some issues but I think it is great to have them back in Contest, at Eurovision I tend to look at songs not governments. Yulia was involved in last year, and she may well have political viewpoints that I don't agree with, but I don't think that's to do with the Contest. If Yulia has a good song this year I will vote for Russia, if Yulia has a bad song I won't vote for them!

 

[A-lister]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

Let me say this: Russia is extremely overrated in the contest. Even with mediocre songs Russia can always be in the final thanks to the Russian diaspora. A the same time, Sweden is hugely overrated too.

I think Russia deserves some credit if they send Yulia Samoylova. They talks about sending Yulia again were not lies.

The diaspora comment is true, but they had some good entries too (not so much lately though). I still don't know what Sweden has to do with this topic though , is this some sort of defense-mechanism if someone from let's say country A says something critical about an entry from country B (in the actual thread of country B), then suddenly country A should be discussed (= criticized)? , to me it's kind of illogical but hey

I don't think Sweden is that overrated though (and I'm not saying that because I'm from Sweden), we don't have diaspora to help us and we do put lots of effort into this, we are simply a Pop-factory nation (both in ESC and out of ESC), maybe it's not for everyone's taste (including my own sometimes), but it's just how the world of music gets reflected in ESC (many big producers and songwriters of global hits are Swedish afterall), anyways that's off-topic but since Sweden was being brought in randomly to the discussion I'd just want to point that out.

Nothing is confirmed yet, it could very well end up being lies, we'll see.