Russia RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova - I Won't Break

[EscGeek]

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[MENTION=11532]EscGeek[/MENTION]

Did you like Yulia Samoylova - "Flame is burning"?

Do you like her new single, Filip has posted above?

I did like "Flame is burning" but i wasn't super crazy about it.
I still lost my mind when she had to withdraw, so i hope she goes this year xcrossed
The song above seems like an album filler to me

 

[tuorem]

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There is another song whose atmosphere would make a nice entry for Yulia, I don't know whether it's a cover or her own material though.

Of course, the production is lacking, but something along the lines of the moody verses, combined with a more modern electro-pop varnish, would be awesome imo (like a "Dance Alone 2.0"). The chorus is a bit plain but catchy enough, she could pull a pop-rock entry off as well I guess. Although I love "Flame Is Burning", she really has the potential to sing edgier things. She might not be the best vocalist, but - provided C1 ends up sending her - all they have to do is adapt the song to her abilities, it really isn't complicated. And yeah, it would be nice to catch people off-guard by not offering what they expect: it's not because she's disabled that her vulnerable side is all she could show, a cold/moody mid-tempo track or a colourful/catchy uptempo song could be interesting options tbh.

 

[EscGeek]

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oh wooow! the song above is really nice!
I hope it's really her own song

 

[Franzilein]

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I just hope that if she participates in this year's ESC, it'll be a song in Russian like the one above. Her strong accent in "Flame Is Burning" was really distracting.

 

[A-lister]

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I just hope that if she participates in this year's ESC, it'll be a song in Russian like the one above. Her strong accent in "Flame Is Burning" was really distracting.

I still don't think she'll be the entrant, however if she's ending up being Russia's choice, they better send her with a song in Russian and something far better produced than that dreadful mock entry they tried to send in 2017.

But unfortunately juries in ESC and some supposed "fans" ("fans" in Quotation marks because true ESC fans should know better...) seem to think that somehow extreme broken English sung by someone who clearly doesn't even understand the language and therefor also taking away the focus of properly performing the song is better than sending an entry sung in native language where everything would just be so much smoother and authetnic is "better"

 

[Schlagerman1]

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I still don't think she'll be the entrant, however if she's ending up being Russia's choice, they better send her with a song in Russian and something far better produced than that dreadful mock entry they tried to send in 2017.

But unfortunately juries in ESC and some supposed "fans" ("fans" in Quotation marks because true ESC fans should know better...) seem to think that somehow extreme broken English sung by someone who clearly doesn't even understand the language and therefor also taking away the focus of properly performing the song is better than sending an entry sung in native language where everything would just be so much smoother and authetnic is "better"

Well let me explain why I liked the supposed Russian entry a lot more than some other songs with better english or in a different language in recent years.
Sure, on a scale from 0 to 5, where 5 is the best, I would never give Julias song a full mark, her english is not good enough and perhaps the melody is draging a little much even for me. But what makes it great is actually Julia herself. Her charisma, her uniqueness as a singer really makes the song much better than it actually is. When she rolls up on stage, she really lights up her room and basically eating up the cameras with her smile and warmness. And this doesn't have nothing to do that she is disabled, sometimes I even found myself forgetting that she is in a wheelchair, cause she is making her spell on me in some reason. I can't explain why others like her or her song last year, but I can only tell for me, that this is the reason why I liked it quite a lot actually. I would have given it a 3, almost 4 points in my 0-5 scoresheet cause that is what I think. It is okay that we like different stuff, I can enjoy a song with bad english (often if it is funny, cause we all need to laugh at time, who can forget the modern classic "I Love Belarus" in 2011 ) as much as one singing in a different language (like Portugal last year, which won with one of the biggest % of points ever). The beauty of ESC for me is to have a little of everything, otherwise this contest wouldn't survive, even if we all have our preferences of course.

And to add to the discussion if she will be chosen...I doubt it, but I hope she will be entered soon at least, in the coming years, cause she really is a special singer that Russia shouldn't throw away at least.

 

[A-lister]

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Well let me explain why I liked the supposed Russian entry a lot more than some other songs with better english or in a different language in recent years.
Sure, on a scale from 0 to 5, where 5 is the best, I would never give Julias song a full mark, her english is not good enough and perhaps the melody is draging a little much even for me. But what makes it great is actually Julia herself. Her charisma, her uniqueness as a singer really makes the song much better than it actually is. When she rolls up on stage, she really lights up her room and basically eating up the cameras with her smile and warmness. And this doesn't have nothing to do that she is disabled, sometimes I even found myself forgetting that she is in a wheelchair, cause she is making her spell on me in some reason. I can't explain why others like her or her song last year, but I can only tell for me, that this is the reason why I liked it quite a lot actually. I would have given it a 3, almost 4 points in my 0-5 scoresheet cause that is what I think. It is okay that we like different stuff, I can enjoy a song with bad english (often if it is funny, cause we all need to laugh at time, who can forget the modern classic "I Love Belarus" in 2011 ) as much as one singing in a different language (like Portugal last year, which won with one of the biggest % of points ever). The beauty of ESC for me is to have a little of everything, otherwise this contest wouldn't survive, even if we all have our preferences of course.

And to add to the discussion if she will be chosen...I doubt it, but I hope she will be entered soon at least, in the coming years, cause she really is a special singer that Russia shouldn't throw away at least.

Well, people have different opinions and taste, but atleast from what I understand in your case it wasn't so much the song (or the language used), it was more her that made you like it? So you'd be totally fine with her with a song in Russian then I suppose?

Well I have nothing to say about that really, I personally find her to be a pretty untalented singer, but maybe she has some charisma I missed. The song though was (to my ears) pretty dreadful and the fact that she doesn't know English (and it's so apparent in this case) surely didn't help, so I hope for Russia's sake (if they choose her again) and for herself and her fans that they will give her a better song and let her sing in the language she obviously manages to sing in (her own).

Broken English can be ok to some degree (in particular in lighter more "fun" or "uptempo" songs that emphasizes more on the beat and less on lyrics), but in ballads or songs that supposed to be taken more "serious" it often becomes tragically obvious when the singer doesn't manage the language well enough, and this was such a case. I still don't understand the idea of forcing someone to sing words they don't understand nor can pronounce and hence making fool out of themselves aswell taking away their abilities to perform properly (because if half of the performance is based on trying to memorize pronunciation and words due to the fact that you don't know them naturally, then it takes away from the rest of the performance and harm the overall package).

 

[Franzilein]

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I still don't think she'll be the entrant, however if she's ending up being Russia's choice, they better send her with a song in Russian and something far better produced than that dreadful mock entry they tried to send in 2017.

True, but we're in Portugal this year, so I kinda expect another try-hard entry from them like in 2016 – and I actually would like it if they kept their promise and sent Yulia again, otherwise it would put the Russian delegation in such a bad light (in my eyes at least).

 

[Sammy]

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True, but we're in Portugal this year, so I kinda expect another try-hard entry from them like in 2016 – and I actually would like it if they kept their promise and sent Yulia again, otherwise it would put the Russian delegation in such a bad light (in my eyes at least).

Oh trust me, they'd find a lame excuse that nobody would believe but still would be defended by a certain kind of eurovision fans.
I may be completely wrong I get the impression Russia never ever had the intention to be represented by Yulia: not this year, not in the future and not even last year.

 

[A-lister]

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Oh trust me, they'd find a lame excuse that nobody would believe but still would be defended by a certain kind of eurovision fans.
I may be completely wrong I get the impression Russia never ever had the intention to be represented by Yulia: not this year, not in the future and not even last year.

I think you're right, she was just a political tool last year, I mean I doubt Russia (that do take this contest quite serious) would send an half-arsed bad produced dreadful demo to the contest if they really intended to go.

 

[Mrm]

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I have a feeling I will adore Russian entry for Lisbon and Yulia will be somehow involved..

 

[Fierro]

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I also think Russia will send Yulia (maybe in duet with someone?). They may take the contest seriously but imagine slap in the face to all "haters" when they finally keep the promise they given? This would be win situation for them. And I see even that song with horrible accent doing much better than it deserves on paper (i. e. qualifying and making top-15)

 

[Charly]

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Well its a different broadcaster leading Russia this year so it can be 50/50 if they decided to go for Yulia or not

 

[Sammy]

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Well its a different broadcaster leading Russia this year so it can be 50/50 if they decided to go for Yulia or not

Because you think broadcasters in Russia are independent?

 

[tuorem]

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Well its a different broadcaster leading Russia this year so it can be 50/50 if they decided to go for Yulia or not

No, Channel 1 apparently is in charge of this year's participation again, hence the question mark about Yulia. The fact broadcasters didn't switch as usual is intriguing: her participation is definitely not guaranteed, but they might keep their promise.

As I said, I'm convinced they could achieve good results with her (provided she's given a song that suits her style and vocals), and if Russians are as evil as they're portrayed, it would also give them the opportunity to "build on" last year's drama. Win-win situation.

I agree with [MENTION=4395]Schlagerman1[/MENTION] on the fact that Yulia has a stage presence even recent Russian representatives didn't have, and it could be exploited imo. Many winners and top ten acts have had a whole personal background showing through their singing in recent years, and Samoylova might become one of them tbh. Vocally she's no Gagarina - we got it - but a flawed performance coming from the heart could be more powerful - and successful - than any high note or so-called perfect way of singing imo (see last year's results).

Wait and see, I really look forward to seeing what will happen and what Channel One will bring to the table.

 

[Sammy]

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May I just say, that she is not conveying any emotion onto me? I rather get the impression, that most of her vocals are tuned (thus sounding quite artificial) because when you hear her talk her voice sounds a lot rougher und unstable as when she sings. Of course singing voices often differ from speaking voices, but having a bit of personal experiences with people who suffer from the same kind of illness as Yulia, her all so clear and stable singing voice just arose suspicion for me.

Again, I could be totally wrong though.

 

[popavapeur]

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they just have to send her, they said they'll do, so do it. You don't have to try to win every time, you'll win soon or later. Just take this year as a slow easy re-entry cause you're not gonna win with a song as lame as Flame Is Burning. I don't know why it's still not announced. She is the Russian contestant. Really, the Russian delegation is quite blurry in its way of doing stuff and they know all eyes are on them, what are they thinking about ?

(If they're gonna make her say something like "I don't want to do ESC anymore so I won't participate and here you are the real contestant" like..something is rigged to the core)

 

[Mrm]

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Maybe Yulia doesn't want to go...

 

[Fierro]

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Maybe Yulia doesn't want to go...

BUT THE FLAME IS BURNING!

sorry, I'm just about to crack up every time I see your signature

 

[Sabiondo]

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Yulia Samoilova has revealed that she has prepared two songs for the Eurovision Song Contest 2018, with discussions on-going about which will go to Lisbon.

Yulia Samoilova has prepared two songs as potential entries for the Eurovision Song Contest 2018 in Lisbon, Portugal. In an interview with Antenna-Telesem, the singer revealed that she has worked with her husband Alexei Taran to write the songs that she has proposed to Channel One.

Of the two songs, one of the songs is about space, while the other is about fairy tales. Yulia has yet to decide which language she will perform in stating that she’s happy to sing in Russian or English in Lisbon. Discussions have already begun according to the singer about the outfit she will wear at Eurovision. Yulia wishes to move away from her image on the Russian version of X-Factor to the new her.

Source: Eurovoix