What makes you think that? All the other favorites are going to perform after Denmark. If SVT really wanted a landslide win for Denmark.....Azerbaijan, Ukraine, Georgia etc would have gotten a less fortunate draw.
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What makes you think that? All the other favorites are going to perform after Denmark. If SVT really wanted a landslide win for Denmark.....Azerbaijan, Ukraine, Georgia etc would have gotten a less fortunate draw.
RainyWoods
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Well would you look at that.. all the bookies favourites near the end. Isn't that just fantastic for them? Lets throw all the underdogs to the wolves. I love this wonderful favouritism by svt, christer bjorkman or whoever it is thats in charge of this mess. I knew from the moment the new chosen ordering was announced that this was going to be unfair and biased. Utter poo. Well lets hope Rona's fighting spirit and luck goes to fellow number 3 girl Aliona... and lets hope superstitions are true and Romania wins from number 14
You're right.
As we were discussing with ultimatefan on the chat right now, I think the bottomline is: the broadcasters (mostly Western) asked the producers to give them more audience. The producers said: "OK, but you have to let us determine the draw". Broadcasters said: OK let's see.
2013 is a year of many changes and I think for us naturally conservative fans it is particularly difficult to accept that. But I think we should let 2013 yield its own results and look at it in a few months' time.
I don't think we're realising it yet but IMO 2013 is the most "revolutionary" year of the ESC since 1998-9 (televote, no orchestra, etc.). Let's see how it works out before going berzerk about it...
"The non-English songs have been dispersed in positions 1, 3, 5, 7 and then 17, 19 and 21"
Have you ever seen a best way to encourage songs in the national language of participants ?
To give them four of them absolute killing draws and the others 3 just before and after the favorites lol !
Congratulations, Best Brodcaster ever. If i had known i would've phoned for Russia last year
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Have you ever seen a best way to encourage songs in the national language of participants ?
To give them four of them absolute killing draws and the others 3 just before and after the favorites lol !
Congratulations, Best Brodcaster ever. If i had known i would've phoned for Russia last year
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Lithuania haven't managed to perform at double digits in a Final since 2006, 2007 was at position 9, 2009 was at position 1, (didn't qualify in 2010), 2011 at 6, 2012 at 4, and now in 2013 at 2. Andrius is given the death slot #2 as well.
SVT know that having all members of the Scandinavian block in the final will screw them over so Krista is going to be sacrificial lamb #1 and Iceland is going to be sacrificial lamb #2 (I mean, come on Denmark in between 'Kedvasem' and 'Eg a lif'?).
I hope Amandine can channel Patricia from 2009, and I hope Bonnie can outshine the young-ins around her. I wish, wish, wish however, that Lithuania would place higher than Denmark or Norway so that it'll be a giant middle finger to SVT, and the overhype this year.
SVT know that having all members of the Scandinavian block in the final will screw them over so Krista is going to be sacrificial lamb #1 and Iceland is going to be sacrificial lamb #2 (I mean, come on Denmark in between 'Kedvasem' and 'Eg a lif'?).
I hope Amandine can channel Patricia from 2009, and I hope Bonnie can outshine the young-ins around her. I wish, wish, wish however, that Lithuania would place higher than Denmark or Norway so that it'll be a giant middle finger to SVT, and the overhype this year.
QwaarJet
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Denmark's position is a prime position, and is surrounded by lesser songs. Any of the other favourites are either on too late, or are right next to each other. As long as Emmelie shows up today and tomorrow and doesn't screw up, we're heading to Copenhagen next year.
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I love it! 
They have given Netherlands the best position they could and Norway in such a spot that Margaret's performance will be the first thing people will remember when televote opens.
But I still think that it's a wrong way to choose the running order and those who are dissatisfied by the choices made (France foremost) have plenty rights to voice their disappointment towards SVT and EBU.
They have given Netherlands the best position they could and Norway in such a spot that Margaret's performance will be the first thing people will remember when televote opens.
But I still think that it's a wrong way to choose the running order and those who are dissatisfied by the choices made (France foremost) have plenty rights to voice their disappointment towards SVT and EBU.
Terry
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What do you mean? I'm seeing a lot of this on Facebook and Twitter and I am confused at all this. How were they chosen? I thought it was all random.
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Normally Terry, the entrants draw a number out of a bowl. This year, they draw a paper saying they will either perform in the 'First Half' or 'Second Half.' SVT will then intervene and allocate the running order from there.
I personally don't find it very fair. If they were going to try and make the contest more engaging, they should've split it into more than just 'First Half' and 'Second Half'.
They should've done this - made the picks like this: 'Draw 1 - 5', 'Draw 6 - 10', 'Draw 11 - 15,' 'Draw 16 - 20,' and 'Draw 20-26.'
That would've been more fair. Anyone could argue now, that they drew 'Second Half' and SVT screwed them over by placing them earlier, or next to acts that favours one country. Or they could've drawn 'First Half' and SVT makes then go first or second. It's just giving WAY too much power to the network. It's ridiculous.
What would make this Eurovision great is if France, Moldova, Lithuania, United Kingdom, Estonia, Russia and Germany threaten to withdraw before the final, and/or the Balkan countries refuse to vote. That way, it'll be officially the worst Eurovision ever.
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They are just trying to pull of a good show, common, do you really think that the old way is the best? Where a ballad might open the show and all of the tempo songs might end up first and all ballads last? The old rule made Montenegro open the show in 2012 and a ballad that opened the second semi final and another ballad that opened the final! As in 2011 a ballad opened the final as in 2009 a pretty slow song opened the final too. A show should never be opened with a ballad.
And performing first does not hurt a country's chance, in 2003 Sertab won with #4 and the song that got most televotes in 2011 went out as #7. The song that got most 12 points in 2011 went out as #2
And for me I don't care what starting position a country has, I vote for the best one.
'' This is so un-democratic and its so corrupted! take a look at last year and tell me this year is corrupted. This year has been the best Eurovision ever.
And performing first does not hurt a country's chance, in 2003 Sertab won with #4 and the song that got most televotes in 2011 went out as #7. The song that got most 12 points in 2011 went out as #2
And for me I don't care what starting position a country has, I vote for the best one.
'' This is so un-democratic and its so corrupted! take a look at last year and tell me this year is corrupted. This year has been the best Eurovision ever.
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Filip, I have no problem with the host, design, postcards, or the general atmosphere of this Eurovision. In fact, it is one of the better Eurovisions I've seen in recent years. The problem, is that Eurovision has always been unpredictable. That's the best part about it. Now, putting the bookies in good positions just ruins that, and it leaves all the underrated entries at a disadvantage, and it shouldn't be this way. It shouldn't be up to SVT to help push everyone towards a winner.
Also, I don't remember anyone getting a wildcard choice as to when they'll perform ever pick anything less than 16 as a final position. You don't think Hungary 2011 was hurt by going early? You don't think Azerbaijan may have done better if they hadn't gone #1 in 2010? What about Engelbert, who had to go first last year, or Paradise Oskar? They could've done better (albeit even slightly). But that's the way Eurovision's always worked. Now SVT is playing the ESC God.
Terry
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Jessica Garlick almost won in 2002 singing a ballad and sung 2nd. Although her ballad at least was a lot more memorable and better than Englebert's.
Moldova actually had some issues with SVT and the organization during their rehearsals. And look what they got! Bonnie was really screwed up with the draw.
So, is the rule for #14 still valid for next year or is Romania winning this?
Bonnie was really screwed up with the draw.So, is the rule for #14 still valid for next year or is Romania winning this?
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Im glad you like it, makes me happy to hear. Although I also like the charm and excitement in drawing a starting position, but Paradise Oskar and Engelbert was still way out, they were slaughtered by all of the other songs. I may think that it ruined it for Safura, as she actually won televotes in her semifinal. I think that we just have to see how it all works out.
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Moldova actually had some issues with SVT and the organization during their rehearsals. And look what they got!
So, is the rule for #14 still valid for next year or is Romania winning this?
I think Cezar has a chance
really!Thank you!!! xsalute
My mom and I had a bet on who is gonna getI think Cezar has a chance
12 points. She said Romania!
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@ Terry
Terry, Jessica is an example over 10 years old.
If you look to more recent Eurovisons, such as 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012, where have all the winner's come from? that's right, from 17 - 24.
And let's look at how the early entries went:
2008 - Romania, UK, Albania all bombed. Same story a year later in 2009 with Lithuania and Israel. Even France did badly - only the jury helped Patricia out. In 2010, Azerbaijan, the great hope to beat Germany came 5th - and again, her televotes were not that great. Then there's Spain and poor Didrik who came 23rd. In 2011, Paradise Oskar met an early defeat, as did Kati Wolf. Only Dino's fame in the Balkans helped him out. Last year now, in 2012, Englebert bombed, along with Compact Disco. Given that their songs weren't 'winner' material, their draw certainly didn't help them in any way either.
Terry, Jessica is an example over 10 years old.
If you look to more recent Eurovisons, such as 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012, where have all the winner's come from? that's right, from 17 - 24.
And let's look at how the early entries went:
2008 - Romania, UK, Albania all bombed. Same story a year later in 2009 with Lithuania and Israel. Even France did badly - only the jury helped Patricia out. In 2010, Azerbaijan, the great hope to beat Germany came 5th - and again, her televotes were not that great. Then there's Spain and poor Didrik who came 23rd. In 2011, Paradise Oskar met an early defeat, as did Kati Wolf. Only Dino's fame in the Balkans helped him out. Last year now, in 2012, Englebert bombed, along with Compact Disco. Given that their songs weren't 'winner' material, their draw certainly didn't help them in any way either.
Terry
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Moldova actually had some issues with SVT and the organization during their rehearsals. And look what they got!
So, is the rule for #14 still valid for next year or is Romania winning this?
How was she screwed? 15th is quite a good place to sing. Her song would also be quite contrasting from Romania and Sweden who sing before and after.
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I love Petra Mede, and I love the butterflies in the postcard. I wasn't expecting much after Baku 2012, since Azerbaijan's design were heavily influenced by Germany's in 2011. But this was a nice surprise - especially at 4:30 am in the morning here! It has a similar feeling to the Melodifestivalen you guys have every year