Running order for 2013

[A-lister]

I am not worried this year, since Christer Björkman and the usual "MF-people" has done this for over a decade, so they are used to make pretty fair judgement in the running order. I am more worried about 2014 or 15, when a more inexperienced producer are going to do this, how this one may make terrible faults or does make advantages (on purpose or not) for some countries and some doesn't get it in the same way.

In the end I think that this could go in two directions. One is that they remove this rule completly in the coming years, or that Christer Björkman with a few others going to lead some "Eurovision running order group", who will contain experts from different countries who are used to make it and will do it every year instead of the producers. And if we should have this rule, then I am more approve with that.

You have to be kidding right?

Fair judgment? The MF starting order is predictable as hell, the best positions are mostly reserved to the same type of entries and Björkman's personal songwriting friends.

This is a disaster for ESC, you must realize that this is about countries not about entries in a national competition. If they want some credibility left they need to add some randomized fair transparent moment into this, otherwise they'll simply risk mass withdrawals and corruption... is that what ESC need more of?

The only compromise could be that they'll put entries into "genre-pots" and then make a fair and transparent draw out of those. This way they'll keep the fairness, but they'll also mix it up.

If we'll have a "Eurovision running order group" with Björkman where the complete running-order is in the hands of a few with no chance for any random or fair moment, then it's bye bye to ESC.

 

[Mickey]

The only compromise could be that they'll put entries into "genre-pots" and then make a fair and transparent draw out of those. This way they'll keep the fairness, but they'll also mix it up.

I personally prefer drawing songs into sections of the running order (quarters or thirds) and then letting the producers meddle from there. The big difference is between the start of the show and the end. That's what's important to randomise.

 

[Schlagerman1]

You have to be kidding right?

Fair judgment? The MF starting order is predictable as hell, the best positions are mostly reserved to the same type of entries and Björkman's personal songwriting friends.

This is a disaster for ESC, you must realize that this is about countries not about entries in a national competition. If they want some credibility left they need to add some randomized fair transparent moment into this, otherwise they'll simply risk mass withdrawals and corruption... is that what ESC need more of?

The only compromise could be that they'll put entries into "genre-pots" and then make a fair and transparent draw out of those. This way they'll keep the fairness, but they'll also mix it up.

If we'll have a "Eurovision running order group" with Björkman where the complete running-order is in the hands of a few with no chance for any random or fair moment, then it's bye bye to ESC.

After seeing this years final starting order in MF...I have to agree with you, completly insane and the favorites at the good placements. xD

Anyhow, Whatever we think about it, I look forward to the drama about it when it becomes revealed.

 

[A-lister]

I personally prefer drawing songs into sections of the running order (quarters or thirds) and then letting the producers meddle from there. The big difference is between the start of the show and the end. That's what's important to randomise.

That could also be a solution... as long as it's somewhat randomized and fair.

 

[Terence]

So there we have it...

Semifinal 1 first half:

Austria (ballad)
Croatia (ballad of sorts)
Denmark
Estonia (ballad)
Netherlands (the only unknown yet)
Russia (ballad)
Slovenia
Ukraine (Ballad)

So it's likely Slovenia or Denmark will open the show... and then it's probably still a snoozefest!

I'd put...

01 Slovenia
02 Croatia
03 Ukraine ('uptempo' ballad)

 

[GRE]

In the following video Christer Björkman explains about running order:
1)they will have a list (the swedish team) and give it to ebu for approval
2)he says that the only thing they want is to give emphasis in each song,for example that's why he doesn't think its good for a ballad to start a show.
-i suppose the fact that they put Yohio in last place of Melodi means that they dont want him to win?Give me a break Chris.
-what are they going to do in the first part of 1st semi in eurovision?

 

[Simon87]

Will we find out the draw order on 18th march?

 

[QwaarJet]

Will we find out the draw order on 18th march?

Draw is in April as far as I know.

 

[penguinperson]

So Denmark or Slovenia will open the show but we already knew that would happen. I think if Ireland qualify they have a high chance of kicking of the final on Saturday.

 

[QwaarJet]

So Denmark or Slovenia will open the show but we already knew that would happen. I think if Ireland qualify they have a high chance of kicking of the final on Saturday.

I actually came up with a running order based on what we know at the moment, and I have Ukraine opening SF1. If Denmark opens then we basically have ballad after ballad, with only Slovenian earache to stop that. Ukraine's ballad is slightly more up-tempo than the others and would probably make sense to open the show, while leaving Denmark and Slovenia to break up the ballad marathon in the first half. I actually have Denmark opening the final.

Even though I don't agree with having the running order decided by producers, It gives us something to mess about with for a few weeks after everything is decided. I'm having fun trying to second guess the producers.

 

[GRE]

Ιn my opinion the best draw for the first half of the 1st semi is:
1.Russia
2.Austria
3.Denmark
4.Croatia
5.Ukraine
6.Estonia
7.Slovenia
8.Netherlands

 

[GRE]

Its so weird what happened in 1st semi.
In the first part (1-8) there are almost only ballads.
In the second part (9-16) there almost only up-tempo songs.

 

[Mickey]

I assume everyone's in agreement that semi 2 will start with Latvia? Calling your uptempo song "Here We Go" is just an open invitation to be put on first.

 

[CC92]

Its so weird what happened in 1st semi.
In the first part (1-8) there are almost only ballads.
In the second part (9-16) there almost only up-tempo songs.

Yeah I do not know why the halfs were decided by drawing lots. Hope this will be changed next year.

 

[Matt]

Yeah I do not know why the halfs were decided by drawing lots. Hope this will be changed next year.

For scheduling purposes. Delegations needs to know when the rehearsals begin and when to be in Malmo.

 

[GermanBango]

It's clear that some countries are going to feel cheated when they get a bad position ...
I don't think it's a good idea .... the draw is more fair! SVT takes all the surprises and the excitement away just because they want a "perfect show" but in my opinnion a good show needs some well ...."spontaneous moments"

 

[Terence]

The first part of the first semi is bad, but the second part is varied if you ask me!

Serbia, Belarus, Ireland - dance uptempos
Belgium, Lithuania - pop
Cyprus - ballad (so unless another ballad comes up, they will probably get slot 12 or 13)

I assume everyone's in agreement that semi 2 will start with Latvia? Calling your uptempo song "Here We Go" is just an open invitation to be put on first.

Indeed. And it's an uptempo!!

I predict Latvia will go first and Malta going second. I have that feeling, two contrasting songs back to back!

 

[penguinperson]

I saw this on escnation the other day. It's just an example of where countries have been lucky with the draw (in finals only) since Sweden last won. It shows up which countries which would be hypocrites if the moaned at a bad draw (e.g. saying we always get one etc). Based on average draws since 00 + 03 + 08 and 10 so it favors the last few years.


43 + 42 Montenegro and San Marino no final data as they have never reached the final.
41 Bulgaria has an average of 21 with one entry so going to discount this as not enough data
40 Hungary 3.75
39 Netherlands 4.125
38 Lithuania 5.63
37 Bosnia 6.8
36 Belarus 7.5
35 Croatia 7.59
34 Cyprus 8.1
33 Albania 8.75
32 Finland 8.89
31 Norway 10.2
30 Belgium 10.4
29 United Kingdom 10.6
28 Estonia 11.15
27 Poland 11.16
26 Latvia 11.33
25 Italy 11.5
24 Iceland 12.34
23 Azerbaijan 12.35
22 Switzerland 12.65
21 Sweden 12.7
20 Ireland 12.8
19 France 13.0
18 Russia 13.1
17 Austria 13.2
16 Greece 13.34
15 Israel 13.36
14 Moldova 13.8
13 Spain 14.0
12 Macedonia 14.3
11 Denmark 14.4
10 Malta 14.8
09 Turkey 15.1
08 Portugal 15.3
07 Romania 15.52
06 Germany 15.8
05 Armenia 16.36
04 Georgia 17.58
03 Slovenia 19.01
02 Serbia 19.20
01 Ukraine 19.71

 

[DanielLuis]

Wrong thread

 

[ParadiseES]

This is how I'd make the running order of the first half of semi 1.

01- Slovenia
02- Croatia / Netherlands
03- Ukraine
04- Russia
05- Denmark
06- Estonia
07- Austria
08- Croatia / Netherlands