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OK, so you want some kind of political test for the employees and participants at SVT to pass before they are allowed to act? What political opinions are legal and what are to be condemned? Kind of authoritarian policy very much like those in former Soviet union.

Besides it's not what I reacted on. My point is: You cannot use political biased arguments in a discussion of Eurovision hosts. It's not fair play and only promote discontent among the members. Nobody cares if you dislike Gina Dirawi due to political reasons, but if you want to share your views on the forum about her suitability as Eurovision host, political reasons are completely irrelevant.
 

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OK, so you want some kind of political test for the employees and participants at SVT to pass before they are allowed to act? What political opinions are legal and what are to be condemned? Kind of authoritarian policy very much like those in former Soviet union.

Besides it's not what I reacted on. My point is: You cannot use political biased arguments in a discussion of Eurovision hosts. It's not fair play and only promote discontent among the members. Nobody cares if you dislike Gina Dirawi due to political reasons, but if you want to share your views on the forum about her suitability as Eurovision host, political reasons are completely irrelevant.

No, but she officially stated these opinions, and I don't want a person who officially states Nazi opinions to represent us in an international show. What do you don't get? SVT is funded by WHOLE Sweden.

Well, there must be some "political test" already considering 85% of the employees working at SVT/SR vote for Green Party or Left Party, don't for a second think SVT isn't politicized because then you're naive. They would have never employed someone who would have openly said the same things about Muslims or a Muslim country as she did.
 

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No, but she officially stated these opinions, and I don't want a person who officially states Nazi opinions to represent us in an international show. What do you don't get? SVT is funded by WHOLE Sweden.

Well, there must be some "political test" already considering 85% of the employees working at SVT/SR vote for Green Party or Left Party, don't for a second think SVT isn't politicized because then you're naive. They would have never employed someone who would have openly said the same things about Muslims or a Muslim country as she did.

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xwhat:|:|

Exactly.

I'm just stating why I don't want her to be our face to Europe, I respect you disagree with me though, but I still feel I want to share my opinion on her as a potential host.

I still don't know who Sofia Helin is though :lol:
 

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OK, this is what Gina Dirawi wrote in her blog (according to various media):

”Den israeliska regeringen gör samma sak som Hitler gjorde mot deras folk fast med andra medel. De är rasister, de förtrycker, och de mördar folk som inte är som dem!”

Free translation to English:
"The Israeli government is doing the same thing that Hitler did to their people but with other means. They are racists, they oppress, and they murder people who are not like them!"

Hardly makes her an anti-Semite (what a contradiction!), Nazi, right extremist (xdoh) or Islamic terrorist.
 

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OK, this is what Gina Dirawi wrote in her blog (according to various media):

”Den israeliska regeringen gör samma sak som Hitler gjorde mot deras folk fast med andra medel. De är rasister, de förtrycker, och de mördar folk som inte är som dem!”

Free translation to English:
"The Israeli government is doing the same thing that Hitler did to their people but with other means. They are racists, they oppress, and they murder people who are not like them!"

Hardly makes her an anti-Semite (what a contradiction!), Nazi, right extremist (xdoh) or Islamic terrorist.

Disagree, she compares a country whose people had a very dark history regarding Nazi Germany, with... Nazi Germany..

She's not just wrong in her analyze, her comparison is V I L E.
 

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I believe Gina is describing her frustration over the injustices happening in Palestine and you should take in the bigger meaning rather than her exact words. She probably has family and family history in Palestine with escalating stories of sorrow, death and discrimination. She is describing bitterness among her kind and her blog isn't meant to be read by political middle aged men or as a professional political source. The attack on her was made by a pro Israeli lobby group and was further handled by various extreme right nationalistic forums. If you attack her on political terms you immediately associate yourself with these groups. :(

It's unfortunate that Israel once again associates with intolerance, hearsay stories and the highly questionable political agenda connected with these kinds of opportunistic groups. Its former massive support among social liberals in Sweden is rapidly vanishing to nothing.

The fact that you are driving this discussion about Gina Dirawi's political opinions and making people aware about her Palestinian ethnicity, is discrimination of her human rights. You are forcing people to have a political judgement about her. To us she is a TV personality and a comedian, nothing more or less.
 

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I believe Gina is describing her frustration over the injustices happening in Palestine and you should take in the bigger meaning rather than her exact words. She probably has family and family history in Palestine with escalating stories of sorrow, death and discrimination. She is describing bitterness among her kind and her blog isn't meant to be read by political middle aged men or as a professional political source. The attack on her was made by a pro Israeli lobby group and was further handled by various extreme right nationalistic forums. If you attack her on political terms you immediately associate yourself with these groups. :(

It's unfortunate that Israel once again associates with intolerance, hearsay stories and the highly questionable political agenda connected with these kinds of opportunistic groups. Its former massive support among social liberals in Sweden is rapidly vanishing to nothing.

The fact that you are driving this discussion about Gina Dirawi's political opinions and making people aware about her Palestinian ethnicity, is discrimination of her human rights. You are forcing people to have a political judgement about her. To us she is a TV personality and a comedian, nothing more or less.

No, I'm as a Swedish tax payer have every right to object whoever host we are about to put on Eurovision (and being the face of Sweden to all Europe for those three evenings in May). SVT is public domain and not just a playground for some anti-Israelis. It is funded by the Swedish public as a whole, and while you might think she's an ok representative of Sweden, I don't think so and we should have hosts that atleast not openly spread hatred towards some nation that we are about to invite as guests.

We talk about hosts in this thread and I raise my objection and explain why I don't want her as a hostess and being the face of Sweden. I think I've been very explicit on why and I don't feel like I'm being off-topic or anything. So while you're seem to think her hate-speech is irrelevant in this case (even if you regard it as being a totally legitimate comment), I don't think so and I think I explained very clearly why (of course, you have every right to disagree).

If her human right is to compare Israel with Nazi-Germany (which no decent human-being with a single historical knowledge would do in the first place), then it's my VERY SAME RIGHT to object against what she said and my very same right as part funder of our public TV and our hosting of Eurovision, to object a host for whatever reason!

I'm very sad that you are promoting her anti-Israeli agenda on here by not objecting or even questioning what she said and if whether or not that's ok with a hostess like that welcoming guests from all over Europe (including Israel), well it is your right to disagree and state your opinion, but it's my very same right to do it aswell (without those allegations you're on about), so I don't see your problem tbh? Did I personally attack you? Are you her or what? :?

So it's a human right to attack Israel verbally with nasty comments, but not a right for me to question her as a hostess and face for Sweden? Well, sorry but if you care so much about people having their rights, then I have the very same right to state my opinion.

For your info, I didn't "make people aware about her Palestinian ethnicity" as it was YOU who mentioned it in the first place (like that would somehow legitimize her comparison with Israel and Nazi-Germany?), to me that's even irrelevant and can't be used as an excuse for comments like that imo.

And your whole nagging about "pro-Israeli lobby" and "Right-wing nationalist groups" are just guilty by association and character assassination game which I won't play, and it won't change anything really, no matter what labels you try to put on opponents, because she said what she said, and I guess you just hate the fact that some people are using their rights (as she used hers to write those comment right?) calling her out for what she sais, and since you apparently agree with her, you start your bashing of those groups by calling them this or that... well that might fly with some, I just find it sad. I guess human rights of expressions are just allowed for people which hold some opinions right? And that some opinions should stay unquestioned and not be challenged? Well, you and I have very different view on freedom of expression it seems.

She made those comments and like every adult (which she was when she made those) and being a public person and all, she has to take responsibility for those (well we all have to take responsibility for what we do and say), and contrary to what you're trying to insinuate, it's actually you who want to make ethnicity important here as you want to give her a free-pass based on that alone, so don't try to make it look like that was my focus. I would just as strongly oppose an ethnic Swede making the same comments being a face for Sweden in a show like his, and I'm not giving free-passes to anyone based on whatever ethnic group they belong to.
 

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I wouldn't like to see Gina as a host in ESC. that's my point! ESC host represents the whole country, having such opinions make me so so so so so sick and shame for her. Politics and ESC has nothing to do together, if this woman has some politics idiot opinion, I prefer her to BE OUT OF THE COMPETITIONS!
 

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OK OK, OK, I don't want to discuss the Israel - Palestine conflict. I regret I answered the political call. I'm sorry if I attacked you on a personal level. Once again, my point was that you cannot use biased political arguments in a non political discussion. There is no consensus in the political message and you cannot assume there is, unless you are among like-minded. Therefore your arguments become trolling, the meaning is lost and the discussion becomes pointless. The thread is soon tainted with annoying posts and people loses their concern (compare flashback). It's bad netiquette.
 

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OK OK, OK, I don't want to discuss the Israel - Palestine conflict. I regret I answered the political call. I'm sorry if I attacked you on a personal level. Once again, my point was that you cannot use biased political arguments in a non political discussion. There is no consensus in the political message and you cannot assume there is, unless you are among like-minded. Therefore your arguments become trolling, the meaning is lost and the discussion becomes pointless. The thread is soon tainted with annoying posts and people loses their concern (compare flashback). It's bad netiquette.

I didn't even discuss the conflict? As far as I'm concerned, you started to give examples on why her comments are correct?

I discussed whether she would be a good face for Sweden and why I don't think so, so no I don't use "biased political arguments in a non political discussion", I use legitimate arguments for why a person who spread official hate toward one participating nation isn't a good face for Sweden, which imo a host should be.

So even if you try to make my concern off-topic, I never was.

We don't have to agree though, that's a whole other issue, but I think I raised relevant questions on hosts in a show like this.
 

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I wouldn't like to see Gina as a host in ESC. that's my point! ESC host represents the whole country, having such opinions make me so so so so so sick and shame for her. Politics and ESC has nothing to do together, if this woman has some politics idiot opinion, I prefer her to BE OUT OF THE COMPETITIONS!

As I just said. :(
 

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As I just said. :(

And you still think she'd be a welcoming host? Are you surprised by this reaction? Should we have two other hosts that spread hatred towards other participating nations aswell? Expect more comments like that then...

See THIS is my concern, all participating nations and guests should feel welcomed, we should be represented by people who didn't spread hatred to any participating nations (and hers was extremely tasteless).
 

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I didn't even discuss the conflict? As far as I'm concerned, you started to give examples on why her comments are correct?

I discussed whether she would be a good face for Sweden and why I don't think so, so no I don't use "biased political arguments in a non political discussion", I use legitimate arguments for why a person who spread official hate toward one participating nation isn't a good face for Sweden, which imo a host should be.

So even if you try to make my concern off-topic, I never was.

We don't have to agree though, that's a whole other issue, but I think I raised relevant questions on hosts in a show like this.

It's just that your "legitimate arguments" are not absolute truth, they are taken from a political debate where you have taken an obvious side. We, the others may or may not agree with your side and your opinion of the debate. So, instead of discussing the topic at hand, you are forcing the discussion into the political debate instead. This is nothing else than trolling.
 

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It's just that your "legitimate arguments" are not absolute truth, they are taken from a political debate where you have taken an obvious side. We, the others may or may not agree with your side and your opinion of the debate. So, instead of discussing the topic at hand, you are forcing the discussion into the political debate instead. This is nothing else than trolling.

They are legitimate imo, and no I'm not trolling and I didn't discuss the conflict (which you did though), I discussed why I find her unfitting as a hostess and I think that's very much ON-topic...

The problem here is that you don't agree and therefor call me a troll and being off-topic... but you can't really show much "off-topic" being said to begin with, so I guess the easiest for you is to call me those... oh well.

I made my point, people can agree or disagree, but don't call me a troll or off-topic though, and please don't make accusations of me belonging to "this or that" group, because I just find it below the belt low type of argumentation sorry.
 

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I'm just trying to avoid discussing the Israel - Palestine conflict and a 100 pages long discussion of what Gina Dirawi may or may not have written in her blog and another 100 pages long discussion on what she possible could have meant with what she possible could have written. :mrgreen:
 

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I'm just trying to avoid discussing the Israel - Palestine conflict and a 100 pages long discussion of what Gina Dirawi may or may not have written in her blog and another 100 pages long discussion on what she possible could have meant with what she possible could have written. :mrgreen:

Funny, because you joined the discussion nevertheless.

I didn't mention much about potential meanings, to me the comparison is enough. My biggest concern is about who should represent us, to me it's not only about entertainment, if someone officially spread hate messages towards a participating nation, I do find that person unfit to be a host for those guests.

And as I said, being a part funder of SVT and the show, I think I have the rights to express whatever opinions on potential hosts as everyone else has. Some people just care about their looks, that's ok... we all care about different aspects.

I mostly care about the hosting bit aswell, but I also care about representation. To me a host can have a crazy personality and think whatever, that's irrelevant, but if they expressed such things openly, then I think they are unfit.
 

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Funny, because you joined the discussion nevertheless.

I didn't mention much about potential meanings, to me the comparison is enough. My biggest concern is about who should represent us, to me it's not only about entertainment, if someone officially spread hate messages towards a participating nation, I do find that person unfit to be a host for those guests.

And as I said, being a part funder of SVT and the show, I think I have the rights to express whatever opinions on potential hosts as everyone else has. Some people just care about their looks, that's ok... we all care about different aspects.

I mostly care about the hosting bit aswell, but I also care about representation. To me a host can have a crazy personality and think whatever, that's irrelevant, but if they expressed such things openly, then I think they are unfit.

Well, I agree with you in the actual matter. I don't want Gina as host either, but of different reasons. Therefore I could have simply put a like on your post. But you presented your views in a way that made it impossible for me. Here it is:

Disagreed 10000%

Someone put that qouta out from TV as fast as possible, don't ruin this contest more than it's already ruined.

Maybe we should invite Malmö's mayor to present Israel's entry aswell while we're on it? Would be a fab show now wouldn't it?

My first "Agree" was partly a greet to Walich and that I thought she was great in Melodifestivalen 2012 (which she was according to most viewers). My personal opinion is that Gina should get an education and a more solid platform to stand on. Being the interesting blogger or the new celebrity kind of run out. The easy way in is the easy way out!

Now to your post. Disagreed 10000% was kind of fun. I can't agree the contest is "ruined" because I don't think so. Then you link Gina to Malmö's mayor which is kind of strange. I understood it as one should agree that Malmö's mayor is a complete jerk and so is Gina. I suppose Israel is the reason why Malmö's mayor is such a f_ck up. It's hard for me to agree because I don't know anything concrete about Malmö's mayor. I've read some tabloid headings about him, that's all. Local Malmö politics isn't that hot I'm afraid.

It's here I react. Your post isn't really about Gina Dirawi. It's about Malmö's mayor and Swedish - Israeli relations and what a scandal Malmö politics in general are and what a disgrace Malmö's mayor in particular is. You have by this tainted Gina in a whole lot of assumptions and associations. Which was your intention I believe.
 

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The link was purely made because I think it's bad enough to host the contest in Malmö (which for instance has an openly anti-semitic mayor), and then add someone like Gina (with such comments) as a hostess would even boost a very strange undertone to the whole contest... that is the link I make.

I mean I think it would be like adding fuel to the fire. Atleast imo it would send a message with a very bad taste in mouth.

I mean anti-semitic city with anti-semitic Mayor with a hostess which made anti-Israeli (imo anti-semitic) comments? Combine those three.. what message does this give to Europe about Sweden?

Maybe now you get my point, not sure if.
 
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