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rajo, i do think you don't know why 90% is unhappy about Malmo, not because of the city, but because of the arena
 

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rajo, i do think you don't know why 90% is unhappy about Malmo, not because of the city, but because of the arena


That's another issue, but I am not discussing it because I am happy with the arena. And I am fan since 1990 and Malmö is still big enough.
 

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That's another issue, but I am not discussing it because I am happy with the arena. And I am fan since 1990 and Malmö is still big enough.

Not for Sweden when Globen is too small for MF. The bigger Globen is too small for the swedish NF but the smaller Malmö arena is big enough for ESC?? Makes no sense at all.

BTW, an another thing the swedish people are against is the fact that Copen hagen will be the big winners from ESC 2013 not Sweden. They will get much money without pay anything for that.
 

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rajo, i do think you don't know why 90% is unhappy about Malmo, not because of the city, but because of the arena


Exactly, it really puts a hold on my vacation plans cause I don't know if I'll be able to get a ticket and I'm certainly not going to travel all the way to Malmo without it.
A poor decision on SVT's part from a touristic point of view.
 

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Not for Sweden when Globen is too small for MF. The bigger Globen is too small for the swedish NF but the smaller Malmö arena is big enough for ESC?? Makes no sense at all.

Actually I think Melodifestivalen is also too big and bloated. But if Swedish people love it, so be it. The point is, EBU apparently wants the Eurovision to go back to basics, akwardly enough this has to start with Sweden.

The stages got way too big..... How are you supposed to perform there with only 6 people?

Keep your MF or size it down, but ESC is going to be smaller in the future.

BTW, an another thing the swedish people are against is the fact that Copen hagen will be the big winners from ESC 2013 not Sweden. They will get much money without pay anything for that.

There can always be conflicting economic interests close to bordering venues, but Malmö must not be excluded as a host just because it is neighbouring Denmark.
 

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I think there is a misunderstanding about the EBU's intention here. What they want to do is give smaller countries the opportunity to put on the show without the big productions you saw in Germany and Azerbaijan by cutting down on rehearsal time and giving them the opportunity to broadcast the show from smaller arenas.

But that doesn't mean that those nations who can afford to host it in bigger arenas will be forced to downgrade as well. It will be up to the broadcasters discretion to pick and choose how big or small the event is going to be. So there will be no mandate to countries that it can't be too big, at least that's not what the EBU communicated.
 

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If there's no apparent mandate by the EBU, why would SVT voluntarily downsize Eurovision and keep the big Melodifestivalen?
 

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How good that I have visited Malmo two years ago and have my own opinion about the city - it's very nice and cozy, and I want to go back and take a closer look at it.
About Denmark benefiting - I don't think tourists would travel often via famous Malmo-Copenhagen bridge since it's very expensive.

And guys, take it easy, you go a way to deep into politics and other not related to Eurovision things. It would make much nicer impression if other Swedes actually supported Malmo and not boycott it for no evident reasons but just rumors.
 

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If there's no apparent mandate by the EBU, why would SVT voluntarily downsize Eurovision and keep the big Melodifestivalen?

That's the big question.I think it's smells fishy here.

BTW Melodifestifalen is too big?? How?? If there aren't enough with tickets then they must put the even in the bigger arena. This is vhy we are so worried about Malmö arena. It's too small for a ESC in SWEDEN!
 

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If there's no apparent mandate by the EBU, why would SVT voluntarily downsize Eurovision and keep the big Melodifestivalen?

There were different factors e.g. the Hockey Final would be held in the Friends arena a few days after the contest and it appears a proper setup would have been almost impossible in such a short amount of time.

It's true that the EBU is trying to redcue the contest in size and scale but there are no rules in place for this at this point. And while I support the idea of avoiding countries trying to out-do each other over who had the biggest production, a drastic change like this seems silly to me. I am part of OGAE so the odds for me of getting a tickets are higher but out of all countries, you'd think Sweden would be the one going with something slightly bigger than what they're doing now.
And don't get me wrong, even I think the Friends arena would have been slightly too big. I mean, do you remember the last ESC in Denmark? That hall was huge and the atomosphere wasn't that great. Though it did work out in Duesseldorf.
 

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BTW Melodifestifalen is too big?? How?? If there aren't enough with tickets then they must put the even in the bigger arena.

MF has the size of a Song Contest, but since it is on your own expense, you are free to make it as big as you wish.

This is vhy we are so worried about Malmö arena. It's too small for a ESC in SWEDEN!

It's not about Sweden, but about Europe! We must not discourage smaller countries from hosting the ESC anymore like in previous years and this time. Yes, it's awkward, because Sweden wanted it huge, and now gets a small contest to present. But it's still a good thing, now make the best out of it. I see a statement there, that EBU doesn't want Sweden to be seen as Eurovision capital with the biggest event ever.
 

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Okay, guys, now tell me again, why Malmö Arena is too small for Eurovision:

YearHostVenueCapacity
2000StockholmGlobe Arena 16.000
2001CopenhagenParken Stadium 35.000
2002TallinnSaku Suurhall 10.000
2003RigaSkonto Hall 6.500
2004IstanbulAbdi İpekçi Arena 12.500
2005KyivKyivskyi Palats Sportu 6.000
2006AthensOlympic Indoor Hall 15.000
2007HelsinkiHartwall Areena 13.000
2008BelgradeBelgrade Arena 20.000
2009MoscowOlympic Indoor Arena 20.000
2010OsloTelenor Arena 25.000
2011DüsseldorfEsprit Arena 20.000
2012BakuCrystal Hall 23.000
2013MalmöMalmö Arena 15.500

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Malmo will be less than that. The stage and backstage area will take space away so a 10.000 to 12.000 estimate is more realistic.

So cutting the seats in half is quite a big deal.
 

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What's the problem with little arenas? Price of tickets, that is only rumored to be expensive? And what about safety? With less people it is easier to track trouble makers and you can actually see what is going on on the stage rather than seeing dots moving chaotically around.
 

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What's the problem with little arenas? Price of tickets, that is only rumored to be expensive? And what about safety? With less people it is easier to track trouble makers and you can actually see what is going on on the stage rather than seeing dots moving chaotically around.

It's not a problem to those watching the show on TV but a lot of fans that usually go to the events live will no longer be able to attend it.
 

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Even with 10.000 to 12.000 we have a reasonable size. Even Kyiv and Riga looked huge to me. And Istanbul must have had 100.000 people in the arena.
 

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Even with 10.000 to 12.000 we have a reasonable size. Even Kyiv and Riga looked huge to me. And Istanbul must have had 100.000 people in the arena.

But as I said before, you're only looking at it from a personal point of view. You're watching it on TV so it doesn't affect you. Those who planned on watching the show live will have to cancel their vacation plans.
 

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It's not a problem to those watching the show on TV but a lot of fans that usually go to the events live will no longer be able to attend it.

I think it's too early to come to such conclusions, fans are well versed in Eurovision preparations, they know when to book/buy tickets, they follow the dates when these tickets are out on sale. I would not worry about them for sure :)
 
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