Israel ISRAEL 2018 - Netta Barzilai - Toy

[FoxOfShadows]

occidentali's karma was 100% fine on stage and this is revisionism created to the justify the biggest star crossing of humankind. nobody can reasonably explain why gabbani wasn't top 3 and that's okay. some things in life are meant to be a mystery. (y'all can't change my mind so don't try)

also we have no idea what juries will do with this because they don't necessary hate humour or hey mamma wouldn't be 8th with juries. it all comes down to presentation and performance, and israel knows how to play the jury game well.

Not trying to change your mind, but I think the reasons for Gabbani's failure were rather clear. It was a song that worked well within the Eurovision fanbase but didn't translate well to the mainstream audience. The fact that it was in Italian was sadly one of it's main downfalls. People who took the time to look into the lyrics would have realised that is was a parady song but for your average Eurovison viewer it was just a silly 'classic Eurovision' song with a gimmicky dancing gorilla and dance moves. I adored 'Occidentali's Karma' but no one who I showed the song to felt the same way, save for my Italian friends and people who I explained the lyrics to.

I have a feeling Israel will suffer the same fate this year. It helps that the song is in English but again, I think your average viewer will view this as 'Eurotrash' with silly chicken noise gimmicks. It can be hard to make out the lyrics at some points in the studio version so Netta will have to work on her pronunciation before May to stop the message being lost. Last years results showed that the Eurovison televote was moving further away from silly songs and closer to more serious and 'sophisticated' sounds. Now I don't at all think that 'Occidentali's Karma' or 'Toy' are unsophisticated, far from it. But I believe that is how the televote viewed Francessco last year and I fear Netta will suffer a similar fate.

 

[JonnyWest]

I think young people will vote for this, but older generations? I really don't think so. Don't forget that the grey vote counts a lot

 

[CaraMia]

It's 9th in the Portuguese YouTube trends now!

 

[Mrm]

I think young people will vote for this, but older generations? I really don't think so. Don't forget that the grey vote counts a lot

Let our guards down it's time to break the taboo
Before we all become animals, animals
Echos in my head got to break the taboo
No we will never be criminals, criminals...

 

[JonnyWest]

Let our guards down it's time to break the taboo
Before we all become animals, animals
Echos in my head got to break the taboo
No we will never be criminals, criminals...

Try to shove this down the grannies' throats

 

[Mrm]

Try to shove this down the grannies' throats

 

[Krishoes]

occidentali's karma was 100% fine on stage and this is revisionism created to the justify the biggest star crossing of humankind. nobody can reasonably explain why gabbani wasn't top 3 and that's okay. some things in life are meant to be a mystery. (y'all can't change my mind so don't try)

It wasn't fine, there is no revisionism here. Literally everyone started to think "This is not good" since the first rehearsal, I'm talking about the press center, since I was there. It was a clear feeling that Italy was not going to win, even before Salvador took the stage for his first rehearsal. There is a long list of clear and reasonable things that didn't work, on stage and also outside the stage, but who cares today? So I won't even start.

 

[lavieenrose]

I don't want y'all to argue anymore because seeing y'all in conflict makes me do a sad, so I'll just butt in and note that Kris is correct in that some indicators were starting to cast some doubt on Gabbani's inevitability after the first rehearsal but also that Alaska is correct in that dropping as far as 6th was pretty unexpected until it happened.

 

[ZoboCamel]

I don't want y'all to argue anymore because seeing y'all in conflict makes me do a sad, so I'll just butt in and note that Kris is correct in that some indicators were starting to cast some doubt on Gabbani's inevitability after the first rehearsal but also that Alaska is correct in that dropping as far as 6th was pretty unexpected until it happened.

Yeah, it was absolutely a mixture of the two. While most of the factors for Francesco's (relative) flop were only given real attention after the fact, and I think most people were surprised nonetheless at the 6th place finish, there are definitely specific decisions and turning points that can be looked to as reasonable explanations. I think this article does a fantastic job of covering most of them: http://escinsight.com/2017/05/16/why-did-italy-francesco-gabbani-lose-eurovision-2017/

 

[Dorientje]

I can't accept these chicken voices.
sorry i can't.
I will not listen to the song for eurovision anymore,
I'm sorry to say it. but I hate the song

 

[marty]

there is not much haters can do and for sure there will be a lot of people loving this song. depends on the live performance. i dont think it will win, but it will get a lot of attention.

 

[digitaldude]

Being number 1 in the odds doesnt mean much, I remember Harel Skaat Milim was also very high in the odds and finished outside top 10. I can only think of one scenario where this song wins and thats if there is no clear favorite in the voting and the points get spread more evenly, the people that love the song are probably the most vocal out of all the songs this year and this will show up in the voting. Don't think the juries will hurt the song too much golden boy was even between televote and jury, Israel does a lot better in juries than televote historically.

Anyway what I think about the song itself, hate the intro, love it after then dont really like it at 1:35- 1:55, after that part it finishes very strongly though.

 

[Alaska49]

but who cares today?

clearly you do, as you brought it up out of the blue and then angrily answered a post that explicitly said i wasn't gonna change my mind. no need to be aggressive, considering i was not. (ps: [MENTION=14007]lavieenrose[/MENTION] did a pretty good job of explaining my position and the article [MENTION=11243]ZoboCamel[/MENTION] posted makes a little of his relative failure seem less than #BUTHISREHEARSALS so thanks babes)

 

[esc87fan]

I'm sorry, I have to give this song "nul points". I don't connect with it, and the chicken-like noises are grating on my ears. I don't get the hype over the song since the leak on Saturday, and I certainly don't get why it's at the top of the bookies' odds

This doesn't scream "winner" to me at all

 

[darkap]

Israel is high on YouTube ESC channel, near 3 million views.

 

[TsachiE]

Re: ISRAEL 2018

Really awesome acoustic cover he did, and i actually like it more then the original one. Enjoy:

 

[Krishoes]

clearly you do, as you brought it up out of the blue and then angrily answered a post that explicitly said i wasn't gonna change my mind. no need to be aggressive, considering i was not.

Oh dear, I was neither ANGRY nor AGGRESSIVE at all I'm deeply sorry if it seemed so. There's a clear misunderstanding here. I really didn't want to sound like that, for this reason I started my answer using a funny gif of Aretha. You're one of the users I respect most, I would never be angry or aggressive towards you on purpose!

 

[lavieenrose]

Yay we're all friends again

 

[Sean]

F*ck it, I'm embracing it. What an absolute banger.

 

[lavieenrose]

F*ck it, I'm embracing it. What an absolute banger.

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