Finland FINLAND 2015 - Pertti Kurikan Nimipäivät - Aina mun pitää

[Ritararita]

I'm sorry, but I doubt anyone has voted for this tonight. This was as sad as it was disturbing and people don't vote for sad, disturbing things. It felt like someone was using those poor creatures, deceiving them into believing they were actually doing something worthwhile. It was an awful, awful moment and I'm glad it is all over.

This was exactly what I thought about all this from the beginning (but was too terrified to say something so politically incorrect out loud as you just did). This exploitative way of using people for the sake of "important message" is for sure morally problematic and it makes me feel very uncomfortable. I have actually similar problem also with Romania.

Ironically, I think that PKN´s yesterday´s performance was quite OK and it wouldn´t be dead last on my ranking list (I think that Albania, Macedonia and Armenia were less convincing).

 

[ParadiseES]

This was sooo bottom 2 with the jury

Not even bottom 2. I bet +80% juries ranked this dead last. Not a surprise. The song was out of place. This is what happens when you bring such a minority genre to a mainstream contest like Eurovision. You will obviously fail unless your song is something really special and outstaning, and that was not the case with this song. As simple as that.

 

[IncognitoGH]

Don't agree with the remarks by a few stating that they were used just as an 'important message'. Equality. That is all folks.

 

[Matt]

They never had a chance to qualify so this doesn't come as a surprise. The fact that they were 5th or 6th in the betting odds was hilarious though. I'm glad it's gone TBH, it was just painful to listen to.

 

[lacrymea]

I'm an hardcore fan of punk but i never liked this song. Having said that, i actually thought they delivered their best performance tonight. The frontman was great and considering this semi i actually hoped they'd make the cut - i'd pick them any day over things like Serbia or Armenia.

 

[Mattan]

This was exactly what I thought about all this from the beginning (but was too terrified to say something so politically incorrect out loud as you just did). This exploitative way of using people for the sake of "important message" is for sure morally problematic and it makes me feel very uncomfortable. I have actually similar problem also with Romania.

And in thinking this, you're completely wrong. PKN was formed because four guys wanted to play punk, that's all there is to it. The band's been touring internationally for years, so it's not like they were new to all this. I shouldn't need to say this, but there's no exploitation here. PKN are a band with a legitimate audience.

 

[PeterLPZ]

Horrible song, for me it´s no surprise, that they didn´t qualify.

 

[lavieenrose]

This is what happens when you bring such a minority genre to a mainstream contest like Eurovision.

Not saying it has to work every time, but sometimes, it really does.

 

[ParadiseES]

Not saying it has to work every time, but sometimes, it really does.

I said "unless it's something really special and outstanding". "Hard rock hallelujah" was. It was catchy and the staging worked for it. That's obviously not the case of "Aina mun pitää".

 

[cegs5]

Not saying it has to work every time, but sometimes, it really does.

I'm not sure if Lordi would have won with the current 50-50 system. I remember that time many people and part of the media were also complaining that a "noisy troll" won the competition.
[MENTION=4437]ParadiseES[/MENTION] PKN was something special and outstanding for me. Clearly, it wasn't for many other people, but the point is that those are subjective remarks.

 

[Ritararita]

And in thinking this, you're completely wrong. PKN was formed because four guys wanted to play punk, that's all there is to it. The band's been touring internationally for years, so it's not like they were new to all this. I shouldn't need to say this, but there's no exploitation here. PKN are a band with a legitimate audience.

Jesus F. Christ, I knew that would have been better to shut up.

I really don´t know what in my post makes you think that I am questioning their legitimate audience. I didn´t write anything about it and I completely respect if somebody - unlike me - really likes their music or punk music in general (as [MENTION=9441]RainyWoods[/MENTION] or [MENTION=14007]lavieenrose[/MENTION] do). I also know that they were not formed because of Eurovision. But I have no idea why do you believe that anything of this is in any way related to what I wrote.

For the "exploitation" - well, maybe I could use some nicer word if you wish, but I am sorry, that is how I feel about it. Based on various public appearances and interviews with them, it´s quite apparent that only one of them (the English-speaking) really knows what exactly is going on and seems to be completely OK with it, while two others seem to have next to no idea, which itself is quite ethically problematic in my book. But most terrifying (for me, I repeat again) was watching the singer - seeing him constantly avoid any eye contact with interviewers and audience and nervously wobbling whenever he is in the focus make me believe that he is in position of somebody who does it only because he was forced to and probably feels to be embarrassed by it. Which is quite an irony considering what the lyrics are about.

Of course I might be wrong (as well as you might be), none of us can read their minds. I was just trying to put in words why I feel so extremely uncomfortable watching this and also why this controversial entry cannot be just so easily brushed off with the usual cheap statement "who likes them is tolerant and kind person with delicate music tastes and who dislikes them is intolerant fascist". Opinions cannot be "right" or "wrong", they are and always will be inevitably subjective. That is what makes them opinions.

 

[cegs5]

Jesus F. Christ, I knew that would have been better to shut up.

I really don´t know what in my post makes you think that I am questioning their legitimate audience. I didn´t write anything about it and I completely respect if somebody - unlike me - really likes their music or punk music in general (as [MENTION=9441]RainyWoods[/MENTION] or [MENTION=14007]lavieenrose[/MENTION] do). I also know that they were not formed because of Eurovision. But I have no idea why do you believe that anything of this is in any way related to what I wrote.

For the "exploitation" - well, maybe I could use some nicer word if you wish, but I am sorry, that is how I feel about it. Based on various public appearances and interviews with them, it´s quite apparent that only one of them (the English-speaking) really knows what exactly is going on and seems to be completely OK with it, while two others seem to have next to no idea, which itself is quite ethically problematic in my book. But most terrifying (for me, I repeat again) was watching the singer - seeing him constantly avoid any eye contact with interviewers and audience and nervously wobbling whenever he is in the focus make me believe that he is in position of somebody who does it only because he was forced to and probably feels to be embarrassed by it. Which is quite an irony considering what the lyrics are about.

Of course I might be wrong (as well as you might be), none of us can read their minds. I was just trying to put in words why I feel so extremely uncomfortable watching this and also why this controversial entry cannot be just so easily brushed off with the usual cheap statement "who likes them is tolerant and kind person with delicate music tastes and who dislikes them is intolerant fascist". Opinions cannot be "right" or "wrong", they are and always will be inevitably subjective. That is what makes them opinions.

Hipocrisy at its finest.

FYI Kari, the singer, always speaks like that, even when he is relaxed having a beer in the bar of Kallio neighbourhood. It's nothing to do with Eurovision or any abuse.
I bet they know this business much better than many others newbies taking part of the competition and for sure much better than some people on this forum who see them as inferior creatures who can't deal with it.

 

[Ritararita]

Now I am really unsure if my English is so bad or "some people on this forum" - to use this beautiful passive-aggressive formulation - just don´t want to understand my point.

 

[Dessi]

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[Dessi]

Hipocrisy at its finest.

FYI Kari, the singer, always speaks like that, even when he is relaxed having a beer in the bar of Kallio neighbourhood. It's nothing to do with Eurovision or any abuse.
I bet they know this business much better than many others newbies taking part of the competition and for sure much better than some people on this forum who see them as inferior creatures who can't deal with it.

Is the singer Autistic? Then it's his way of communicating. Eye contact is unnecessary when you're Autistic. It's easier listening to someone without having to analyse facial expressions at the same time. So, I agree with you: it doesn't prove any abuse.

 

[Ritararita]

OK. Now I see it´s Don Quijote situation. I give up.

 

[cegs5]

Is the singer Autistic? Then it's his way of communicating. Eye contact is unnecessary when you're Autistic. It's easier listening to someone without having to analyse facial expressions at the same time. So, I agree with you: it doesn't prove any abuse.

Yes, he is. Not sure which of the pervasive developmental disorders he has though, but any of those is characterized by impaired social interaction.

 

[Joni]

Even though I didn't like the song, this is heart-breaking

 

[lavieenrose]

Even though I didn't like the song, this is heart-breaking

Devastating indeed. Reminds me of that picture of Moran Mazor (which singlehandedly made me take a second look at her song and realize I liked it) after she missed.

 

[Sammy]

Don't agree with the remarks by a few stating that they were used just as an 'important message'. Equality. That is all folks.

Agree completely! It's about equal chances. And that's what they've got. The same chance to perform and to qualify. And it's great that they got this chance (and this is a big quality of the eurovision stage where literally everything can happen ). But they did not qualify, so that is the verdict of the audience. Regardless of the fact that they are disabled or not. The genre and/or quality of their song and/or performance was not considered worthy of the final. Period. I wonder if those who are disappointed now can accept this or if we are to read about intolerant/narrow-minded voters/juries or some hilarious conspiracy theories.