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Liechtenstein and Kazakhstan say hi xwave

I'm wondering about one thing, though... for those countries that vote, ESC has to be transmitted live. Eastern Australia has early morning when the event starts. How are the viewing figures high? On Sunday, it's more believable, but I still doubt so many people would wake up at 6 AM on a Sunday just to watch Eurovision. But the semis which take place on Wednesday and Friday in Australia? Most people need to be at school or work then, no? Could someone [MENTION=11243]ZoboCamel[/MENTION] provide an explanation for this?

They probably have to rely on ESC fanbase and if that fails. They will default into using 100% juries in the semi (like some other countries do)
 

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They probably have to rely on ESC fanbase and if that fails. They will default into using 100% juries in the semi (like some other countries do)

Isn't this exactly why the EBU are so eager for Australia yet consistently refuse the likes of Kazakhstan?

Australia, unlike lets face it Kazakhstan or China, can pretty much guarantee that their votes will closely match an OGAE vote and will vote only for countries the EBU deem worthy of being a possible winner. Basically another one of their attempts to manipulate the end results :rolleyes:

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Isn't this exactly why the EBU are so eager for Australia yet consistently refuse the likes of Kazakhstan?

Australia, unlike lets face it Kazakhstan or China, can pretty much guarantee that their votes will closely match an OGAE vote and will vote only for countries the EBU deem worthy of being a possible winner. Basically another one of their attempts to manipulate the end results :rolleyes:

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TBH I am not really into conspiracy theories.
 

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I want to know if we have 42 countries, if so, who is the mystery country?

As ZoboCamel said Australia will be competing against 41 other countries
 

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Bulgaria said it will make its final decision after JESC wraps up, so there could be a possibility they could be out
 

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I want to know if we have 42 countries, if so, who is the mystery country?

Well, I don't know. I thought about Romania but they've confirmed.

Bulgaria and Croatia were unlikely at that time... There aren't many options tbh
 

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Well, I don't know. I thought about Romania but they've confirmed.

Bulgaria and Croatia were unlikely at that time... There aren't many options tbh

I've just been doing a bit of research. We have 41 known countries (same as 2015 minus Portugal with Ukraine and Bulgaria returning) but Australia confirmed after that was said and the Aussie tv person said they wil participate with 41 others so..

I was thinking the obvious choices would be BiH or Croatia..
but then again maybe Kosovo but then I realise their TV channel is in financial trouble so couldn't get EBU membership
Same for Liechtenstein
Andorra and Monaco have said no, and I don't see the EBU working with either of those to get them back, because they dont pay enough for the EBU to care
Luxembourg for similar reasons
Slovakia could have changed their minds
Turkey are out
I don't see Portugal changing their minds
Lebanon will not be in Stockholm for obvious reasons
 

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Liechtenstein and Kazakhstan say hi xwave

I'm wondering about one thing, though... for those countries that vote, ESC has to be transmitted live. Eastern Australia has early morning when the event starts. How are the viewing figures high? On Sunday, it's more believable, but I still doubt so many people would wake up at 6 AM on a Sunday just to watch Eurovision. But the semis which take place on Wednesday and Friday in Australia? Most people need to be at school or work then, no? Could someone [MENTION=11243]ZoboCamel[/MENTION] provide an explanation for this?

I agree, the viewing figures are high when the show later repeats at 9PM, but live in the semis it's probably pretty low. In the final though there might be more excitment and I can see the number of minimum required votes being cast easily.
 

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I'm wondering about one thing, though... for those countries that vote, ESC has to be transmitted live. Eastern Australia has early morning when the event starts. How are the viewing figures high? On Sunday, it's more believable, but I still doubt so many people would wake up at 6 AM on a Sunday just to watch Eurovision. But the semis which take place on Wednesday and Friday in Australia? Most people need to be at school or work then, no? Could someone [MENTION=11243]ZoboCamel[/MENTION] provide an explanation for this?

Yep, the situation's pretty much what you described - a 5AM or 6AM start on Wednesday, Friday and Sunday. TBH I was also worried at first that we might not get enough voters, but it looks like we had enough interested people to allow us the televote, at least this year. Consider that we've got a population of 23 million, which isn't too small compared to a lot of European countries: if you compare us with a European country with 2.3 million people, we'd only need to have a tenth of their viewership rate to have the same amount of live viewers, which seems possible considering our amount of Eurovision fans. Plus, most of the people getting up at 5AM to watch the contest won't just be casual viewers, so I'd imagine we'd send more votes per person than the average viewer, also helping us to cross that threshold of required votes. I know I personally sent around 15 votes in each of the semis & the grand final, and a friend of mine from university mentioned that he sent the full allowed 20 each time.

Certainly it's a pain to try and wake up early in the morning, especially on weekdays, but I was able to do it (and successfully drag my family into doing the same). Luckily enough my classes didn't start too early in the mornings on Wednesdays and Fridays for this year, and the rest of the family was also able to squeeze in the semis before going off to the stuff they had to do (consider that the semis are a lot shorter than the grand final). Getting out of bed isn't entirely pleasant, but it's worth it to finally be able to watch live & vote!

Australia, unlike lets face it Kazakhstan or China, can pretty much guarantee that their votes will closely match an OGAE vote and will vote only for countries the EBU deem worthy of being a possible winner.

I don't think this is necessarily true. Our televotes may be slightly closer to those of the average Eurovision fan, but they still won't 'closely match an OGAE vote' all the time, and whenever it does I don't think it's all that surprising (since the OGAE vote itself generally includes the favourite, popular songs anyway). For a few examples of significant differences, Slovenia was 5th in the OGAE vote and 19th in our televote; Azerbaijan was 9th in OGAE, last in Australian televote; Serbia was 16th in OGAE, 3rd in Australian televote; Latvia was equal last in OGAE, 4th in Australian televote, etc etc. Add on to that the fact that we've got a jury the same as any other country, and it doesn't seem that we're some mystical mirror of OGAE that's been brought in for nefarious purposes - we're just a bunch of fans voting on the contest we like.

Bulgaria said it will make its final decision after JESC wraps up, so there could be a possibility they could be out

To my knowledge Bulgaria was already counted as one of the first 40, and Jon Ola Sand's tweet mentioned that there were 41 countries 'confirmed', right? Bulgaria was being assumed as part of the first 40, so if Australia actually is a 42nd country, and Bulgaria wasn't part of the original list, we'd still have 40 confirmed (just replacing Bulgaria with Australia) out of a total 42. In this case, there would still be two countries yet to be announced, which... seems unlikely, given the list of remaining possibilities and what we know of each. Given that, I think either A) Bulgaria may have officially confirmed with the EBU but still be giving mixed messages to the media (ie. they're in but aren't admitting it yet), or B) one of our SBS guys screwed up when phrasing our participation announcement (ie. we're part of the 41), or both.

If one of A) and B) is true, we're sitting at 40/41 (B) or 41/42 (A) known countries, and have one confirmed country still to be announced; if both are true, we know 41/41 countries (a list including Bulgaria and Australia). If neither of these is true - ie. Bulgaria isn't confirmed yet, and we have 41 confirmed countries other than Australia - then it's even possible that we've got a 43 member list (39 out of 41 confirmed non-Australian countries having been announced, plus Australia as #42, and a possible Bulgaria as #43). So at this point, given that we can't know what's true and what's not, the situation is as follows: we should have between 41 and 43 countries participating next year, Bulgaria may or may not be one of them, and we have between 0 and 2 countries yet to be announced, not including Bulgaria. Of course, there's also the possibility that both the '41 countries confirmed' and '41 other than Australia' tweets were wrong, which could mean that Australia was #40/41 and the list counted an uncertain Bulgaria, in which case we could even be down to 40, making the real range between 40-43. But... argh, now my head hurts. I guess we can only hope to get as many countries as possible!
 

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All that whining...

In the late 90ties the ESC was almost gone and the interest was low. Only the introduction of the Eastern European countries inreased the intrest again. And now I see there ist a downswing again. This interest is decreasing an adding further countries is a good idea. But in case of further non European entries the big 5 rule must be canceled. Only last years winning countrie should be allowed to skip the qualification.

Wasn't the 2013 and 2014 contest the most viewed ever?

But it's not a logical evolution of the contest imo. I hope they'll rename the contest, since it's not European anymore.

Well, then it hasn't been since 1973 when Israel joined
 

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No surprise that Australia got confirmed, just confirmation that EBU are pathological-, west/anglo-centric biased, money hungry hypocrite, -liars :lol:

Anyways, it is what it is, no surprise. Seriously thinking about handing in my fan card though, this is no longer a celebration of European diversity or a European contest :(
 

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come on! That smells a bit of conspiracy theory ;)

I don't know why people always bring the "conspiracy theory" argument each time one doubts the EBU is playing fair and square. It's not a conspiracy, just badly-hidden biases and unfair treatments towards countries, which seem unavoidable these days in events that involve countries and money.

Since 2013, viewers are invited to vote for certain nations by means of rules and tricks only fans are aware of. And, at another level, Australia's permanent participation is another brick to the wall of unfairness that's going on with Sand.
 

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I don't know why people always bring the "conspiracy theory" argument each time one doubts the EBU is playing fair and square. It's not a conspiracy, just badly-hidden biases and unfair treatments towards countries, which seem unavoidable these days in events that involve countries and money.

Since 2013, viewers are invited to vote for certain nations by means of rules and tricks only fans are aware of. And, at another level, Australia's permanent participation is another brick to the wall of unfairness that's going on with Sand.

This!
 

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I don't know why people always bring the "conspiracy theory" argument each time one doubts the EBU is playing fair and square. It's not a conspiracy, just badly-hidden biases and unfair treatments towards countries, which seem unavoidable these days in events that involve countries and money.

Since 2013, viewers are invited to vote for certain nations by means of rules and tricks only fans are aware of. And, at another level, Australia's permanent participation is another brick to the wall of unfairness that's going on with Sand.

Well, because there is a difference between a doubt weather everything is fair and equal (which obviously there are many reasons to doubt) and suggesting the EBU would falsify the whole voting up to who is winning. That is one big dimension more....
But no offense. ;)
 

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Well, because there is a difference between a doubt weather everything is fair and equal (which obviously there are many reasons to doubt) and suggesting the EBU would falsify the whole voting up to who is winning. That is one big dimension more....
But no offense. ;)

Well, after the fiasco of 2013 and its fishy results (which led to the full disclosure of juries and votes the year after), along with the revealing reactions of some countries after the "alleged" victory of Denmark... Please let me doubt about EBU's actual power in the outcome. ;)
 

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Well, then it hasn't been since 1973 when Israel joined

I think tuorem meant that Australia is nowhere near to Europe.

I don't know why people always bring the "conspiracy theory" argument each time one doubts the EBU is playing fair and square. It's not a conspiracy, just badly-hidden biases and unfair treatments towards countries, which seem unavoidable these days in events that involve countries and money.

To me, ESC started this disrespectful treatment in 2013 when they stopped giving the votes after it was certain that Denmark would win. It's like a football match in a group stage between the group winner and group last place - the first one goes through, the second one can't go through, so why play the game and waste money? :rolleyes: And there's still the manual allocation in the semis. Why was that necessary? There were pots before, wasn't it enough?
 
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