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This thread is for any general Eurovision 2025 discussion not limited to or specifically about any country's national selections or song choices.
They were looking at semi 1 obviously.Greece and Lithuania back to back is honestly a very weird choice, two of the darkest songs should've been kept apart. The second semi seems so ballad heavy in the recap, where did all these ballads come from? i remember people crying abt not having enough.
Iceland and Sweden have a small polish diaspora. They should be good for a few.points but Poland is far from certainThis. Estonia and Ukraine.
After some thoughts, I am not that sure about Justyna. Poland has any allies except Ukraine voting in the semi.
Estonia does like to consider itself a nordicLet's see which songs got the "#2" since 2013 (the year Sweden/the EBU introduced the horrible and unfair mess)
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*Eastern European
(traditionally considered to be) Eastern European: 25x
(traditionally considered to be) Western European: 12x
Seriously, it's not even funny anymore at this point. Broadcasters should finally look more into this and file official complaints. - Apart from very odd choices (like putting Mimicat #2 in the GF), we only got 2 other Western European countries performing #2 ("the death slot") in the GF2015 and
2018 and both were "dead upon arrival" and ballads.
The running order decided by producers is heavily influenced by internalised bias (thinking that Eastern European countries entries are inferior) - also, Björkman is openly trying to kill ballads (he keeps on mentioning them in all interviews when he's been asked about the running order - and trying to defend his decisions. It's like he's obsessed).
Just look at the "naked" numbers (and I was even nice here and putinto the "Western European" group). The number of Eastern European countries performing at #2 is twice as big!
Big 5 countries usually never perform at #2 (unless it's a chanceless ballad), apart from2018 (another old-fashioned, chanceless ballad which finsihed last in the semi), no other Nordic country had to peform at #2 whilst
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had to perform from that spot THREE TIMES each already.
Lol, no one else does though. Tbf, Estonia 2020/2021 was always gonna be rather doa, i'm not mad abt those slots at all. And we did qualify in 2013, so... RO importance in semis is slightly overblown in fandom. It does matter in the final though.Estonia does like to consider itself a nordic
Lol, no one else does though. Tbf, Estonia 2020/2021 was always gonna be rather doa, i'm not mad abt those slots at all. And we did qualify in 2013, so... RO importance in semis is slightly overblown in fandom. It does matter in the final though.
Perhaps not so much now with the lines opening from the beginning. I believe turkye won from the 3rd running order slot back in 2003 when the ebu did the same.Lol, no one else does though. Tbf, Estonia 2020/2021 was always gonna be rather doa, i'm not mad abt those slots at all. And we did qualify in 2013, so... RO importance in semis is slightly overblown in fandom. It does matter in the final though.
Perhaps not so much now with the lines opening from the beginning. I believe turkye won from the 3rd running order slot back in 2003 when the ebu did the same.
omg, 2003 was my first eurovision. That was a strong year. Yeah close, Turkiye won from 4 in the running order, so it shows it is possible to win performing that early in the contest and in a strong year like 2003.
Does anyone else feel like 2025 is a year with blurred odds? I know we have heavy favorites but I also am not feeling like those favorites have as much guarantee as in the last few years. It feels more 2021, in that there are several that could win or fail depending on a few factors. Just curious if it is just me or if other people feel like this a more varied year than the last few.
Yea that’s exactly how I am feeling. My top songs are Austria, France, and Sweden as well but I don’t know if Adonxs will be able to challenge for the top. I have him in top 10 for sure. I have the Netherlands in my top 4 but I also feel like Finland and Australia will make noise as well. It’s such a diverse group of songs this year I am just excited to watch the full set listI agree 100%
There will be a lot of fan faves that will fail to qualify. I also feel that although we don't have an expected winner, I think that the winner is not going to be a total surprise and I think it's going to be between Austria, Czechia, France or Sweden.
The only qualifier which could shock me this year is Georgia, all the rest in some degree İ can see how they can appeal to some voters. Georgia is dead on arrival thoAlso I want to hear what everyone’s shock qualifier will be. I am calling it Mila. I just feel like it will qualify. I just see it hitting the right chords with the right people.
It is funny you said Georgia specifically because I actually low key love that song. I know it isn’t ground breaking and I don’t in any way shape or form think it will qualify, but as Gabe would say, it just scratches my brain in the right ways lol.The only qualifier which could shock me this year is Georgia, all the rest in some degree İ can see how they can appeal to some voters. Georgia is dead on arrival tho
Forgetting about politics, in televote-only semifinal it would never qualify anywayIt is funny you said Georgia specifically because I actually low key love that song. I know it isn’t ground breaking and I don’t in any way shape or form think it will qualify, but as Gabe would say, it just scratches my brain in the right ways lol.
Oh trust me I know lol. Never said my fandom is rational. I accepted that when I first heard it. What’s you winner?Forgetting about politics, in televote-only semifinal it would never qualify anyway
I dont have a clear favorite, its only happened 3 times (Euphoria, Fuego, SloMo) but from possible candidates İ would like to see France, Netherlands and Albania as a winnerOh trust me I know lol. Never said my fandom is rational. I accepted that when I first heard it. What’s you winner?