EUROVISION 2025 - General Discussion thread

[ESC United Mod Team]

This thread is for any general Eurovision 2025 discussion not limited to or specifically about any country's national selections or song choices.

 

[njdevils94]

idk the draw feels more biased than previous years. I feel like the same countries always perform from similar spots.

The sins of burying Latvia will catch up with you, Martin

I don't buy the narrative Latvia got buried looking at who they are sounded by.

 

[Trece]

Absolutely not a good year and recap only proves that. There's no competitive songs for victory this time except

İf i didnt know about Austria hype i would put it as nq

 

[Fierro]

İf i didnt know about Austria hype i would put it as nq

I might have been influenced by general hype but it's definitely not a NQ, especially if they make a staging similar to video

 

[gingerale]

I managed to buy some SF2 rehearsal tickets yesterday. I can relax now. (And maybe trying to get some for SF1 if there's another wave.)

 

[ESC94]

This. Estonia and Ukraine.
After some thoughts, I am not that sure about Justyna. Poland has any allies except Ukraine voting in the semi.

Well, many Poles live in and there are sizable communities in and as well.

Doesn´t have to mean anything though, the Polish diaspora isn´t the most reliable.

 

[empo21]

I don't buy the narrative Latvia got buried looking at who they are sounded by.

I hope so. I'm still holding on to hope since the performance is very visually striking and should stand out.

 

[Mainshow]

Any petition to get rid of Björkman?
It's tiring to see "Eastern" European countries getting the "death" slots again.
What's the point of putting a ballad at #2? - It's super annoying, unfair and biased at this point.

 

[freerider]

Its no surprise that Germany used to give Turkey 12 points everytime during the years without a jury. Diasporavoting.

 

[randajad]

Absolutely not a good year and recap only proves that. There's no competitive songs for victory this time except

I didn't say it's rocking my world either, but it's not as terrible as expected or as hyped up to be. Y'all need to chill with the negativity this season.

 

[Leydan]

Any petition to get rid of Björkman?
It's tiring to see "Eastern" European countries getting the "death" slots again.
What's the point of putting a ballad at #2? - It's super annoying, unfair and biased at this point.

Hes responsible for the running order? It makes sense given it's his trademark to typically throw something Eastern European in sound to the death slot.

 

[EscGeek]

Artificially deciding a running order is biased regardless of how you look at it. Whether it's killing some eastern european country or putting Finland as a closer twice in the last three years.
That's why they need to go back to randomness.

 

[Mainshow]

Hes responsible for the running order? It makes sense given it's his trademark to typically throw something Eastern European in sound to the death slot.

Unfortunately, he is... Since Björkman flopped with that AmericanVision thingy, he's back - favoring his Nordic allys and trying to make Poland, Balkan countries and ballads flop.
Seriously, he's the worst non-political thing that could have happened to Eurovision - since the running order has a huge impact on the outcome.

 

[Mainshow]

Let's see which songs got the "#2" since 2013 (the year Sweden/the EBU introduced the horrible and unfair mess)

(year) / (semi 1) / (semi 2) / (GF)
2013 / */ / *
2014 / * / / *
2015 / * / /
2016 / / */ *
2017 / * / / *
2018 / / * /
2019 / * / / *
2020 / */ * / X
2021 / * / * / *
2022 / * / / *
2023 / / * /
2024 / * / * / *
2025 / * / *

*Eastern European


(traditionally considered to be) Eastern European: 25x
(traditionally considered to be) Western European: 12x

Seriously, it's not even funny anymore at this point. Broadcasters should finally look more into this and file official complaints. - Apart from very odd choices (like putting Mimicat #2 in the GF), we only got 2 other Western European countries performing #2 ("the death slot") in the GF 2015 and 2018 and both were "dead upon arrival" and ballads.

The running order decided by producers is heavily influenced by internalised bias (thinking that Eastern European countries entries are inferior) - also, Björkman is openly trying to kill ballads (he keeps on mentioning them in all interviews when he's been asked about the running order - and trying to defend his decisions. It's like he's obsessed).

Just look at the "naked" numbers (and I was even nice here and put into the "Western European" group). The number of Eastern European countries performing at #2 is twice as big!

Big 5 countries usually never perform at #2 (unless it's a chanceless ballad), apart from 2018 (another old-fashioned, chanceless ballad which finsihed last in the semi), no other Nordic country had to peform at #2 whilst had to perform from that spot THREE TIMES each already.

 

[Rasmus0714]

Kids are so brutal

https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/1jmi9fp/im_a_teacher_in_regional_australia_and_i_asked_my/

 

[Funix]

Let's see which songs got the "#2" since 2013 (the year Sweden/the EBU introduced the horrible and unfair mess)

(year) / (semi 1) / (semi 2) / (GF)
2013 / */ / *
2014 / * / / *
2015 / * / /
2016 / / */ *
2017 / * / / *
2018 / / * /
2019 / * / / *
2020 / */ * / X
2021 / * / * / *
2022 / * / / *
2023 / / * /
2024 / * / * / *
2025 / * / *

*Eastern European


(traditionally considered to be) Eastern European: 25x
(traditionally considered to be) Western European: 12x

Seriously, it's not even funny anymore at this point. Broadcasters should finally look more into this and file official complaints. - Apart from very odd choices (like putting Mimicat #2 in the GF), we only got 2 other Western European countries performing #2 ("the death slot") in the GF 2015 and 2018 and both were "dead upon arrival" and ballads.

The running order decided by producers is heavily influenced by internalised bias (thinking that Eastern European countries entries are inferior) - also, Björkman is openly trying to kill ballads (he keeps on mentioning them in all interviews when he's been asked about the running order - and trying to defend his decisions. It's like he's obsessed).

Just look at the "naked" numbers (and I was even nice here and put into the "Western European" group). The number of Eastern European countries performing at #2 is twice as big!

Big 5 countries usually never perform at #2 (unless it's a chanceless ballad), apart from 2018 (another old-fashioned, chanceless ballad which finsihed last in the semi), no other Nordic country had to peform at #2 whilst had to perform from that spot THREE TIMES each already.

The running order is overrated, and the fandom needs to cool down a bit about it. However, it is unfortunate to see an imbalance. A ballad that are good enough in the eyes of Mr. and Mrs. Europe will go though no matter if the song is performing as #2 or #17

 

[Mainshow]

The running order doesn't break-or-make an entry, that's true but they do influence the overall results - especially of the GF.
There's a reason why producers put "potential winners" around 11-13 in the first half, for example. That's why putting Destiny's "Je me casse" #6 and especially Ukraine 2024 #2 was very shocking.

Also, it's fishy that Eastern European countries usually get the #2 spot whilst a Big 5 country often finishes the GF.
It has become even more impactful since 2024 because of the mess that is "producer's choice".

Seeing that imbalance is not only "unfortunate", it's borderline discriminatory.
Why has Björkman never put Finland, Norway or Sweden [or the Netherlands/Australia?] at #2?

I honestly think it would have been better for the entries to draw a random spot - maybe even just make half of the participants pick their own draw whilst the "producers" (Björkman and his Swedish friends) can place the other half of entries around them. They still get their "producer's choice" power (e.g. being able to place 12/13 songs as they wish) but the other half gets a fair treatment, at least + Nordic countries can get the #2 spot (I don't think they HAVE to be there - but at least, it would be more even/fair - right now the chance for Sweden/Norway/Finland to be #2 in the semis/GF is 0%).

I hate it that Christer Björkman can sabotage "favourites" he doesn't like whilst slightly pushing non-ballads or "his friends from different broadcasters"

 

[Leydan]

I honestly think it would have been better for the entries to draw a random spot - maybe even just make half of the participant pick their own draw whilst the "producers" (Björkman and his Swedish friends) can place the other half of entries around them.

it would be an interesting concept to have countries draw either a running order position or a 'producer choice', to allow some 'luck' to it while giving producers a chance at creating their 'interesting order'. Personally, I prefer random order. Sure similar songs can end up together, but there is nothing fishy to be called out against something that is totally random.