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nperkooo5

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Re: Live from Vienna - EUROVISION 2015 TONIGHT

It's quite funny that Sweden completely blows Italy out of water in the charts. Sweden tops itunes in 20 different countries. Italy only one.

Where are all the voters that voted for Italy?

Think what kind of people uses iTunes... Well, this isn't whole population that vote in ESC.
 

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Re: Live from Vienna - EUROVISION 2015 TONIGHT

Italy is still doing quite well on itunes for song that isn't radio-friendly.
 

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It's quite funny that Sweden completely blows Italy out of water in the charts. Sweden tops itunes in 20 different countries. Italy only one.

Where are all the voters that voted for Italy?

No connection whatsover imo!Italian song is not what you would call 'ideally selected'on Itunes PLUS as it is stated above by nprkooo5 , you have to consider the age group that uses ItunES
 

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Re: Live from Vienna - EUROVISION 2015 TONIGHT

But still only one #1 seems very weak. Isn't they worldwide stars? If it's so good song why no one wants to listen to it?
 

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1. Who decide what is quality?? Everyone have different taste. For me Italy's entry isn't quality.
Who decide? How abou millions of votes. Honey, millions of votes came for Italy, and minority screwed the will of the majority.
 

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First of all, Grattis Sverige!!! I did not vote for you, but you won the ESC fair and square in my eyes. And a job well done for Russia, Italy and Belgium, congrats as well!
I have read the entire discussion on the previous pages and even though I also think the voting-system as it is now is not ideal, I wouldn't know what voting-system would be fairer and I don't think it is fair to say Sweden 'robbed' the victory or is the wrong winner.
I am by no means an ESC-expert, but the ESC has a special place in my heart ever since I was a little child (it was the one and only night I was allowed to stay up late, now that leaves quite an expression when you're six years old). Back in the days the voting was done by a professional jury alone (yes I am that old I am afraid) and yes, even then there were certain 'patterns' in the voting (countries voting for their neighbours and so on), but I don't remember any shock results and for as far as I know, the winners were always the right (and sometimes predictable) entries. Then televoting was introduced and it made me lose interest in the ESC to be honest. Suddenly my country would give the douze points to the same country a few years in a row. Nothing against Turkey and Sertab Erener's victory was completely justified, but knowing on beforehand that the Dutch would rate the Turkish entry on top of the list, no matter what song they would enter, made the entire contest a fake competition in my eyes. Ever since the combination tele-voting/juries was introduced, the ESC became nice to watch again for me personally. And no, I do not always agree with the way the juries vote and sure, there could be some changes (why only 5 people in a jury, why 50/50 and so on) but returning to a complete televoting system would not be the solution I think. For instance; I read somewhere that the top 10 countries of the juries combined and the top 10 countries of the televoters were practically equal yesterday, except for the order of the countries. So all in all, there is not that much difference in musical taste between juries and us humble citizens.
As for the preference of the televoters: do not forget that every televote does not automatically represent a single indiividual. I voted for Belgium 4 times because I loved the song, my friend voted for Italy once, and so did my sister. That would mean that in my house Belgium would be twice as popular as Italy then? No, it only means that I spent more money then them two Scrooges, hahaha.... I think you can only say something about the popularity of a song by means of televoting, if every citizen was allowed to vote only once (but that would cost the EBU too much income, so that will never happen). What I am trying to say, is that while you cannot measure a song's popularity by looking at the iTunes Charts, you cannot measure a song's popularity by the number of televotes either, unless each vote represents a single 'unique' individual, I think.
 

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Re: Live from Vienna - EUROVISION 2015 TONIGHT

Something must be done with the voting system. If ( for example )Itali gave 12 points in televote and those 5 "experts" ranks Albania at the bottom giving no points to Albania its not 50-50 then. In that case Albania should have get 6 points. 12 + 0 = 0 with this system which is unfair. IM complaining the system.

The fix is to take the Jury's top 10 and the public's top 10 (both allocated points 12, 10, 8, 7...1) which are then combined and then points redistributed between the top 10 of those
That way I believe both the public's favourite and the jury's favourite are guaranteed 5 points even if the other put them last and rank the other songs in the most unfavourable order (from 10 minutes playing with the numbers in Excel)
 

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Oh welp. I probably won't be on this forum now that much anymore until October-November-whatever.. This year gave us actually a veryvery good selection of songs (that I did mistakenly complain about at the beginning) ... one of the best ever. The contest is definetly steadily moving into a better and better direction with every year in my eyes. Every Eurovision year definetly has it's own face though and I can't wait for next year already. But I guess it's good to get a break from all the drama and all the goddamn stress of keeping up with everything and the countless hours that I've dedicated to Eurovision this year even though I don't really benefit from it. :D

This year gave me... Loic Nottet xlove (the adorable, amazing and talented Belgian angel who I already dearly love the hell out of and who I wish a great-great future for that I'll be here to follow)

Il Volo (three amazing men from Italy with some goddamn exquisite voices and music that I'll definetly keep my eye on in the future)

Aminata (who is just a world-class artist that I could countlessly praise forever and ever, who made one of my favourite albums of the whole year and who, whether some people like it or not, lifted Eurovision up to a whole new level)

Mørland & Debrah (who brought me so much enjoyment from their interesting and magnificent song and video and their cover of Fairytale, also these last few weeks the enjoyment of just seeing those two undeniably gorgeous people, as their funny humble down-to-earth selves, which I highly appreciate)

Maraaya (who just brought one heck of a good song to the contest, arguably the best one)

Nina Sublatti (the mysterious badass one-of-the-most-gorgeous-women-I've-ever-seen Georgian chick whose song might not have been one of my favourites, but which definetly deserved the success and love it got, and whose other music I actually love a lot)

Måns Zelmerlöw (who gets a lot of undeserved shit, but who I can't help but love through everything, who brought one of the most brilliant performances in Eurovision history in front of our eyes with an almost equally great chart-topper song)

... And that's pretty much it, although everyone was pretty much great and I loved getting to know them. This year also gave me the rediscovery of "Divine", as I mentioned before ... which is definetly one the best things that happened. :lol:


Anyways, another year over, it's been totally great and enjoyable. And really everything's fine. xheart Gonna be interesting to see what Eurovision 2016 has in store. :)
 

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Re: Live from Vienna - EUROVISION 2015 TONIGHT

Just looked through our iTunes charts and this is what I found in the top 200

Australia #2
Sweden #8
Belgium #28
Latvia #54
Russia #56
Estonia #68
Norway #77
Israel #88
Austria #89
Italy #106
UK #118
Serbia #145
Georgia #149
Cyprus #155
Germany #179

Conchita "Unstoppable" #183 "Firestorm" #161
 

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Re: Live from Vienna - EUROVISION 2015 TONIGHT

The facts state this : Russia was more liked than Sweden. Italy was more liked than Sweden. That's all.

Totally undeserved winner.
 

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Re: Live from Vienna - EUROVISION 2015 TONIGHT

The facts state this : Russia was more liked than Sweden. Italy was more liked than Sweden. That's all.
Totally undeserved winner.

Not at all. You never know how many people (in numbers) really liked the songs. Maybe just ONE person liked Italy better than Russia or TWO people liked Italy more than Sweden :)
 

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Re: Live from Vienna - EUROVISION 2015 TONIGHT

The fix is to take the Jury's top 10 and the public's top 10 (both allocated points 12, 10, 8, 7...1) which are then combined and then points redistributed between the top 10 of those
That way I believe both the public's favourite and the jury's favourite are guaranteed 5 points even if the other put them last and rank the other songs in the most unfavourable order (from 10 minutes playing with the numbers in Excel)

This is what I think that votes should be counted:

I take as sample the Italian votes


Jury votes (ranks)

12 p Norway
10 p Sweden
8 p Australia
7 p Belgium
6 p Latvia
5 p Israel
4 p Cyprus
3 p Russia
2 p Estonia
1 p United Kingdom

Televotes:

12 p Albania
10 p Romania
8 p Russia
7 p Poland
6 p Serbia
5 p Israel
4 p Georgia
3 p Sweden
2 p Spain
1 p Belgium

If we collect the votes this would be the results:

Sweden 10+3 = 13/2 = 6.5
Albania 0 + 12 = 12/2 = 6
Norway 12 + 0 = 12/2 = 6
Russia 3 + 8 = 11/2 =5.5
Romania 0 + 10 = 10/2 = 5
Israel 5 +5 = 10/2 = 5
Belgium 7 + 1 = 8/2 = 4
Australia 8 + 0 = 8/2 = 4
Poland 0 + 7 = 7/2 =3.5
Serbia 0 + 6 = 6/2 = 3
---------------------------------
Latvia 6 + 0 = 6/2 = 3
Georgia 0 + 4 = 4/2 =2
Cyprus 4 +0 = 4/2 =2
Spain 0 +2 = 2/2 = 1
Estonia 2 + 0 = 2/1 =1
United Kingdom 1 +0 = 1/2 = 0.5

Based on this and have on mind that in case of tie the televoters points will count this is how Italy votes should have counted:

12 p Sweden
10 p Albania
8 p Norway
7 p Russia
6 p Romania
5 p Israel
4 p Belgium
3 p Australia
2 p Poland
1 p Serbia


I really think this way of counting combined votes would have been more fair than the actual system of counting. Based on this I'll try to calculate all the votes and see how the outcome will be :)
 

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Re: Live from Vienna - EUROVISION 2015 TONIGHT

It's quite funny that Sweden completely blows Italy out of water in the charts. Sweden tops itunes in 20 different countries. Italy only one.

Where are all the voters that voted for Italy?

A lof of people only care about winners. Not like whole word knows all the other songs.
 

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Well well well. So much crap going on about the "amazing-glorious-fantastic-blahblah" Italy not winning.
Tell ya what. As long as juries keep songs like that off the Eurovisions winners map, THEY SHOULD STAY. Holy Mans, i'm so thankful, they are the best.
Are you guys kidding me? If it wasn't for the juries we'd have Finland in the final. Televoters put Poland THIRD in the semi? Whathaheck is that? Amazingly weak song, atrocious live vocals, cheesy background, a story that was shown to make people vote because frankly there's nothing else to vote for. What if she was just sitting on a piano? Would she get through? We all know the answer. Unfortunately, juries couldn't keep it away from the final, but i appreciate the effort.

Thank you, dear juries, you've done a lot of good stuff this year. I totally love the current voting system and i'm gonna support it all the way. No, it's not perfect but there's no such thing as perfect voting system and by far it's the best we've had. Diell with that.

Now, Mans - you are the God of live performance, so professional, so cute, so charming.
Terrific staging, terrific enegry, terrific package. Modern, catchy, radio-friendly song. It doesn't get better than that. That's so good for the Eurovision reputation, this year modern and catchy did extremely well (Sweden, Belgium, Latvia, Australia), on the other hand some dated empty souless stuff did well too (Italy), which damages Top-10 a bit for me along with dated cheese like Serbia but that's ok, these didn't win as it's supposed to be.

Perfect, just perfect. I'm happy for Georgia, Montenegro (they should hire Zeljko to write songs every year, just get someone more cute than Knez to sing them :D).
The sad stuff: Slovenia didn't do that well blowing my express bet off (i hate them for that! lol) but ah well, i still think that's a decent result considering the running order and bad camera work. Love that song to bits, would want to have it in Top-10 instead of Serbia.
Germany and Austria with zero points?? Hell no, that's not possible( I think nobody deserved zero points this year, it was a strong line up. I guess they just got lost among all the favorites this year...pity but it's a competition after all.
Azerbaijan deserved a worse result with their cringeworthy show. The rest i'm totally fine with.

As for the contest itself: the stage was magnificent, one of my favorite stages ever. But i have to point out that camera work, sound and interval acts were bad/bad/boring. There was no effort in the intervals at all, the grand final looked like Conchita's new album presentation.
But overall i'm pleased and happy. Thank you again, Eurovision and see ya next year)
 

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Re: Live from Vienna - EUROVISION 2015 TONIGHT

Well well well. So much crap going on about the "amazing-glorious-fantastic-blahblah" Italy not winning.
Tell ya what. As long as juries keep songs like that off the Eurovisions winners map, THEY SHOULD STAY. Holy Mans, i'm so thankful, they are the best.
Are you guys kidding me? If it wasn't for the juries we'd have Finland in the final. Televoters put Poland THIRD in the semi? Whathaheck is that? Amazingly weak song, atrocious live vocals, cheesy background, a story that was shown to make people vote because frankly there's nothing else to vote for. What if she was just sitting on a piano? Would she get through? We all know the answer. Unfortunately, juries couldn't keep it away from the final, but i appreciate the effort.

Thank you, dear juries, you've done a lot of good stuff this year. I totally love the current voting system and i'm gonna support it all the way. No, it's not perfect but there's no such thing as perfect voting system and by far it's the best we've had. Diell with that.

Now, Mans - you are the God of live performance, so professional, so cute, so charming.
Terrific staging, terrific enegry, terrific package. Modern, catchy, radio-friendly song. It doesn't get better than that. That's so good for the Eurovision reputation, this year modern and catchy did extremely well (Sweden, Belgium, Latvia, Australia), on the other hand some dated empty souless stuff did well too (Italy), which damages Top-10 a bit for me along with dated cheese like Serbia but that's ok, these didn't win as it's supposed to be.

Perfect, just perfect. I'm happy for Georgia, Montenegro (they should hire Zeljko to write songs every year, just get someone more cute than Knez to sing them :D).
The sad stuff: Slovenia didn't do that well blowing my express bet off (i hate them for that! lol) but ah well, i still think that's a decent result considering the running order and bad camera work. Love that song to bits, would want to have it in Top-10 instead of Serbia.
Germany and Austria with zero points?? Hell no, that's not possible( I think nobody deserved zero points this year, it was a strong line up. I guess they just got lost among all the favorites this year...pity but it's a competition after all.
Azerbaijan deserved a worse result with their cringeworthy show. The rest i'm totally fine with.

As for the contest itself: the stage was magnificent, one of my favorite stages ever. But i have to point out that camera work, sound and interval acts were bad/bad/boring. There was no effort in the intervals at all, the grand final looked like Conchita's new album presentation.
But overall i'm pleased and happy. Thank you again, Eurovision and see ya next year)

AMEN!!!!!!!! The best post ever. Thank you!
 

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Re: Live from Vienna - EUROVISION 2015 TONIGHT

Well well well. So much crap going on about the "amazing-glorious-fantastic-blahblah" Italy not winning.
Tell ya what. As long as juries keep songs like that off the Eurovisions winners map, THEY SHOULD STAY. Holy Mans, i'm so thankful, they are the best.
Are you guys kidding me? If it wasn't for the juries we'd have Finland in the final. Televoters put Poland THIRD in the semi? Whathaheck is that? Amazingly weak song, atrocious live vocals, cheesy background, a story that was shown to make people vote because frankly there's nothing else to vote for. What if she was just sitting on a piano? Would she get through? We all know the answer. Unfortunately, juries couldn't keep it away from the final, but i appreciate the effort.

Thank you, dear juries, you've done a lot of good stuff this year. I totally love the current voting system and i'm gonna support it all the way. No, it's not perfect but there's no such thing as perfect voting system and by far it's the best we've had. Diell with that.

Now, Mans - you are the God of live performance, so professional, so cute, so charming.
Terrific staging, terrific enegry, terrific package. Modern, catchy, radio-friendly song. It doesn't get better than that. That's so good for the Eurovision reputation, this year modern and catchy did extremely well (Sweden, Belgium, Latvia, Australia), on the other hand some dated empty souless stuff did well too (Italy), which damages Top-10 a bit for me along with dated cheese like Serbia but that's ok, these didn't win as it's supposed to be.

Perfect, just perfect. I'm happy for Georgia, Montenegro (they should hire Zeljko to write songs every year, just get someone more cute than Knez to sing them :D).
The sad stuff: Slovenia didn't do that well blowing my express bet off (i hate them for that! lol) but ah well, i still think that's a decent result considering the running order and bad camera work. Love that song to bits, would want to have it in Top-10 instead of Serbia.
Germany and Austria with zero points?? Hell no, that's not possible( I think nobody deserved zero points this year, it was a strong line up. I guess they just got lost among all the favorites this year...pity but it's a competition after all.
Azerbaijan deserved a worse result with their cringeworthy show. The rest i'm totally fine with.

As for the contest itself: the stage was magnificent, one of my favorite stages ever. But i have to point out that camera work, sound and interval acts were bad/bad/boring. There was no effort in the intervals at all, the grand final looked like Conchita's new album presentation.
But overall i'm pleased and happy. Thank you again, Eurovision and see ya next year)

I can agree with most parts. Juries are indeed needed and they did some good decisions but also some really bad... Poland was one of the bad decisions for me.
Maybe one could change the structure of the juries or reduce their power.
 

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Re: Live from Vienna - EUROVISION 2015 TONIGHT

Well well well. So much crap going on about the "amazing-glorious-fantastic-blahblah" Italy not winning.
Tell ya what. As long as juries keep songs like that off the Eurovisions winners map, THEY SHOULD STAY.
Well, that's your opinion. Most of Europe don't share your opinion obviously!
Mine is that SONGS LIKE THAT are epic!
And I agree, jury should stay, but with limitation on 30:70.
 

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Re: Live from Vienna - EUROVISION 2015 TONIGHT

This is what I think that votes should be counted:

I take as sample the Italian votes


Jury votes (ranks)

12 p Norway
10 p Sweden
8 p Australia
7 p Belgium
6 p Latvia
5 p Israel
4 p Cyprus
3 p Russia
2 p Estonia
1 p United Kingdom

Televotes:

12 p Albania
10 p Romania
8 p Russia
7 p Poland
6 p Serbia
5 p Israel
4 p Georgia
3 p Sweden
2 p Spain
1 p Belgium

If we collect the votes this would be the results:

Sweden 10+3 = 13/2 = 6.5
Albania 0 + 12 = 12/2 = 6
Norway 12 + 0 = 12/2 = 6
Russia 3 + 8 = 11/2 =5.5
Romania 0 + 10 = 10/2 = 5
Israel 5 +5 = 10/2 = 5
Belgium 7 + 1 = 8/2 = 4
Australia 8 + 0 = 8/2 = 4
Poland 0 + 7 = 7/2 =3.5
Serbia 0 + 6 = 6/2 = 3
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Latvia 6 + 0 = 6/2 = 3
Georgia 0 + 4 = 4/2 =2
Cyprus 4 +0 = 4/2 =2
Spain 0 +2 = 2/2 = 1
Estonia 2 + 0 = 2/1 =1
United Kingdom 1 +0 = 1/2 = 0.5

Based on this and have on mind that in case of tie the televoters points will count this is how Italy votes should have counted:

12 p Sweden
10 p Albania
8 p Norway
7 p Russia
6 p Romania
5 p Israel
4 p Belgium
3 p Australia
2 p Poland
1 p Serbia


I really think this way of counting combined votes would have been more fair than the actual system of counting. Based on this I'll try to calculate all the votes and see how the outcome will be :)

It's very interesting. Please, when you finish all the calculations, post them in a new thread, because they will be lost here among 600 pages.
 

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Re: Live from Vienna - EUROVISION 2015 TONIGHT

Well, that's your opinion. Most of Europe don't share your opinion obviously!
Mine is that SONGS LIKE THAT are epic!
And I agree, jury should stay, but with limitation on 30:70.

Then why have juries at all when they can't do anything about results?? The affect from juries would too small.

BTW, i don't know if it's true but I read a 30/70 system would only change the places between Russia and Italy. Sweden should still stand as the winner.
 

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Re: Live from Vienna - EUROVISION 2015 TONIGHT

30/70 system would exclude dyaspora, but wouldn't take effect on televoting results. That's enough.
 
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