Live from Vienna - As it happened

SuperGirl · May 25, 2015

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Vera said:
30/70 system would exclude dyaspora, but wouldn't take effect on televoting results. That's enough.

Sorry but then jury wouldn't take out any diaspora. The televoters will have too much power.

Vera · May 25, 2015

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Oh, really? And with 50% they will?
If jury will hold 50% than televoting is not necessary at all.

ElRuso · May 25, 2015

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SuperGirl said:
Sorry but then jury wouldn't take out any diaspora. The televoters will have too much power.

I wonder if all 1st jury places from

to

was from televoters?

SuperGirl · May 25, 2015

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Vera said:
Oh, really? And with 50% they will?
If jury will hold 50% than televoting is not necessary at all.

Why not?? Because the juries wanted another winner?? What about 2011. Televoting won ahead of the juries. It's 50/50. It's most fair.

Maybe next year televoting will win ahead of Juries again? We know they can disagree with the winner. But it doesn't mean it's unfair.

ElRuso · May 25, 2015

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SuperGirl said:
Why not?? Because the juries wanted another winner?? What about 2011. Televoting won ahead of the juries. It's 50/50. It's most fair.

Ok, most jurors are past contestants of the Voice, X'factor, Star Factory, etc. Clearly they are very professional

SuperGirl · May 25, 2015

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ElRuso said:
Ok, most jurors are past contestants of the Voice, X'factor, Star Factory, etc. Clearly they are very professional

Yeah because you are more professional than them right??

So let me guess: you think all winners before 1997 are crappy?

ElRuso · May 25, 2015

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SuperGirl said:
Yeah because you are more professional than them right??

So let me guess: you think all winners before 1997 are crappy?

Ok, I am not professional now. If I will go to X Factor and win 3d place, will it make me a superprofessional?

As for your 2nd question I didnt say it. But if you look now most winners have failed to gain success, when songs like Volare became super popular. Make your own conclusions.

Vera · May 25, 2015

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SuperGirl said:
Why not?? Because the juries wanted another winner?? What about 2011. Televoting won ahead of the juries. It's 50/50. It's most fair.

Maybe next year televoting will win ahead of Juries again? We know they can disagree with the winner. But it doesn't mean it's unfair.

Ok, how can i explain to you so you can understand: ESC is a European contest when Europe (millions of people) decides who is the best! And jury is there to comment things from the profesional angle, nothing more. But when you put peoples will in the mud , revolt is always going to be expressed! So Europe, cut the juries participation, or exclude the people!

ElRuso · May 25, 2015

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Lets make juries their own award. Like Marcel Bezencon

ElRuso · May 25, 2015

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Look here: http://www.escunited.com/threads/13676-Voting-and-the-jury-role-in-it?p=1468939#post1468939

Malagant · May 25, 2015

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Great ESC Final Show, Austria - really enjoyed it!

Many Congrats, dear neighbours,

Sweden - with victory! xcheer

My favourites (ranked) after the ESC Final were: 1.

2.

3.

4.

5.

6.

7.

8.

Some post-Final thoughts:

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, scandalously underrated! It is truly sad that this great musical country far too often is underappreciated in this music contest. It makes we wonder when a Spanish song is going to be successful in the ESC when this excellent entry with a beautiful, accomplished (vocals/stage performing) singer does so badly. Shame on you, Europe! :twisted:

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, congrats Debrah & Kjetil - gratulerer - with a great 8th place, truly happy for them! xrose

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Glad to see them doing so well!

Thought you might win, but well done with a great 2nd place!

Enjoyed these songs/performances too, think they were all three underrated.

- I see, moreover, that there is a discussion going regarding voting in the ESC, reg. jury-votes and televoting. Personally I think a 50% split vote between juries and televoting is a prudent, 'balanced' solution for the contest, but I can see both sides of the argument.

Already looking forward to next year's ESC in Sweden!

Odalis · May 25, 2015

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GermanBango said:
I can agree with most parts. Juries are indeed needed and they did some good decisions but also some really bad... Poland was one of the bad decisions for me.
Maybe one could change the structure of the juries or reduce their power.

There will always be great and poor decisions from both jury and televote.
I just see no reason to bash the juries when nobody is bashing the televoters that done wrong on multiple occasions as well.

Vera said:
Well, that's your opinion. Most of Europe don't share your opinion obviously!
Mine is that SONGS LIKE THAT are epic!
And I agree, jury should stay, but with limitation on 30:70.

The song is basically a "Caruso" rip off wrapped in "pop" to make it more viewers-friendly.
I know many people say "Heroes" is a "Lovers on the sun" rip-off but i struggle to find similar note sequence in these while i find a lot in the italian song and "Caruso". Yeah, it's sang by cute boys...well, 2 cute boys...wait, just one cute boy lol But it's old. Very old.
Eurovision was infamous for being a relic contest of relic music nobody cared for before Loreen came. I want it to be up to date, i want it to be modern. Songs like "Grande amore" don't help, songs like "Heroes", "Rhythm Inside" and "Love Injected" do. End of story.
People who don't care for Eurovision will only know the winner in the end. The contest doesn't need winners like Il Volo.
It's good for them to finish 3d, yes we know people still appreciate music like that, let's move on, it's not 1970.

SuperGirl said:
AMEN!!!!!!!! The best post ever. Thank you!

You're so welcome!!! xyaay

I'm gonna repeat all that over and over again until bitter Il Volo fans calm down lol

sucof · May 25, 2015

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This Italian song and a lot better than the Swedish one and and '40 years old!
the Swedish song is already old in 2015!!!

alex200 · May 25, 2015

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What do you think about this version of russian song ?

Krishoes · May 25, 2015

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Eurovision needs songs like

and

, that's for sure.

definitely not, not because of the song (I like it), but we have this kind of songs since 8 years at least, so we don't "need" them, we already have them, it's not a novelty act at the Eurovision. Il Volo fans have to calm down, but Heroes fans have not to think we are in front of the new Michael Jackson of the music.

GermanBango · May 25, 2015

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Odalis · May 25, 2015

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Krishoes said:
Eurovision needs songs like and , that's for sure. definitely not, not because of the song (I like it), but we have this kind of songs since 8 years at least, so we don't "need" them, we already have them, it's not a novelty act at the Eurovision. Il Volo fans have to calm down, but Heroes fans have not to think we are in front of the new Michael Jackson of the music.

I cannot remember any song similar to "Heroes" from the past 8 years, refresh my memory, please?
It's not oh so original, no, but it's up to date.

Krishoes · May 25, 2015

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Ok... so we haven't got any pop-dance songs like this in the Eurovision, sure. A Don Quixote against the windmills mess.

I definitely must use the gif of the """""funny""""" german user:

Odalis · May 25, 2015

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Krishoes said:
Ok... so we haven't got any pop-dance songs like this in the Eurovision, sure. A Don Quixote against the windmills mess.

I definitely must use the gif of the """""funny""""" german user:

I asked for an example of a song sounding similar to Heroes from the past 8 years of the Eurovision song contest.

Amethystos · May 25, 2015

A "Caruso" .... no way!

Odalis said:
There will always be great and poor decisions from both jury and televote.
I just see no reason to bash the juries when nobody is bashing the televoters that done wrong on multiple occasions as well.

It's EBU's product and those guys may have to think twice
before another televoting favorite end up as the 6th on juries voting table.

Or else let them decide for the winner and NOT EXPECT money from the viewers.....

Odalis said:
The song is basically a "Caruso" rip off wrapped in "pop" to make it more viewers-friendly.
I know many people say "Heroes" is a "Lovers on the sun" rip-off but i struggle to find similar note sequence in these while i find a lot in the italian song and "Caruso". Yeah, it's sang by cute boys...well, 2 cute boys...wait, just one cute boy lol But it's old. Very old.

U R kidding, dont ya?

Eurovision song contest would have been lucky to have a similar to Caruso song EVER!
And certainly "Grande amore" was not that great!

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