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SRBIJA

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Does it really matter? You all vote for each other in Eurovision anyway.

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Službeni “crnogorski” jezik – neprimenljiv, jer ne postoji

PODGORICA - Istaknuti lingvista Dragoljub Petrović i profesor Pravnog fakulteta u Podgorici Blagota Mitrić ocenili su danas da mehanizam službenog jezika i jezika "u službenoj upotrebi", ustanovljen novim crnogorskim ustavom apsurdan, ističući da je opravdano zaključiti da "trenutno zvanični službeni jezik, crnogorski, ne postoji".


Case closed. :lol:
 

LakZaNokte

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Službeni “crnogorski” jezik – neprimenljiv, jer ne postoji

PODGORICA - Istaknuti lingvista Dragoljub Petrović i profesor Pravnog fakulteta u Podgorici Blagota Mitrić ocenili su danas da mehanizam službenog jezika i jezika "u službenoj upotrebi", ustanovljen novim crnogorskim ustavom apsurdan, ističući da je opravdano zaključiti da "trenutno zvanični službeni jezik, crnogorski, ne postoji".


Case closed. :lol:
no, montenegrin constitution says the official language is montenegrin.
THAT is case closed.

profesors aren't above constitution :mrgreen:

nothing is above constitution :mrgreen:
 

SRBIJA

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no, montenegrin constitution says the official language is montenegrin.
THAT is case closed.

profesors aren't above constitution :mrgreen:

nothing is above constitution :mrgreen:


No, Montenegrin language doesn't exist. That is Serbian language :lol: Montenegrin language is artificial creation which isnt even recognised by Montenegrians themselves. :lol:

Our constitution also says that Kosovo is autonomous province that belongs to Serbia. But is it like that in reality? Ofc not :lol:
 

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Okay, Montenegrin people invented Montenegrin language, because they don't wanted to use and recognize Serbian tongue as their national. Like Lak said, case is closed :p
 

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It's the crossroads between language, politics and identity.

This is a matter of politics and identity more than linguistics.

POLITICALLY, if a country wants to call the standards of Serbo-Croatian (that's the term linguists use, we don't use it with political intentions) different names, so be it! It's a country's prerogative to call it as such. Language is closely intertwined with cultural and social identity. If a country wants to trace its own identity by means of renaming and standardizing their dialect, it's that country's prerogative.

Linguistically speaking, that's a different matter. Serbo-Croatian is a pluricentric language meaning it has multiple standardized variants - Serbian, Croatian, Montenegrin and Bosnian (and yes that's what linguists call it, I know that name has heavy political implications, but it refers to the entire linguistic continuum). Each of them have their own governing body that standardizes each of them. So, in linguistic terms it's 1 language with multiple standards just like English and how it has an American, British, Australian, etc standard variants.

The key issue here is politics not linguistics, IMO

Personally, if USA and other Anglophone countries decide to call our/their variants of English different names, I would be cool with it. It's all politics and it's nice to formalize some sort of independent linguistic identity. Though, at the end of the day, it wouldn't matter. The linguistic differences already exist regardless of the naming change. If that were to happen, I could say that I speak more languages :lol:. USA will then proudly speak American and understand British, Australian among other languages :lol:
 

LakZaNokte

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The key issue here is politics not linguistics, IMO
ofc it's about politics xshrug

we can discuss about linguistics till cows come home and come up with nothing.
hell, we should include bulgarians as well then cause i understand them better than slovenians and macedonians, and yet they are always outside of these "discussions" (which shows they are not about linguistics, btw). same goes for all other slavic languages: i can pick up on russian (if it's slow enough and in simple sentences xrofl2), i had numerous occasions where i was able to get on the same page with czech, slovakian and polish tourists etc. so what?

this has to do with everything but linguistics :mrgreen:
 

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Yes Reggie..... there are some differences in general, I mean between the cases of "American, Canadian, Australian English" and "Serbo-Croatian".....

In terms of politics yeah there's a lot of difference. In terms of linguistics they are analogous cases.

ofc it's about politics xshrug

we can discuss about linguistics till cows come home and come up with nothing.
hell, we should include bulgarians as well then cause i understand them better than slovenians and macedonians, and yet they are always outside of these "discussions" (which shows they are not about linguistics, btw). same goes for all other slavic languages: i can pick up on russian (if it's slow enough and in simple sentences xrofl2), i had numerous occasions where i was able to get on the same page with czech, slovakian and polish tourists etc. so what?

this has to do with everything but linguistics :mrgreen:

Exactly!

There's also bigger language continuums like South Slavic which includes Serbo-Croatian, Slovenian, Macedonian and Bulgarian for instance (where Kajkavica is the intermediate language between Serbo-Croatian and Slovenian, and Torlaci being the intermediate between Serbo-Croatian and Macedonian).

All of that is well documented and researched by both people who speak those languages and people who don't. Discussion of the similarity is not really the point here because that's already validated by linguistic research and by people understanding each other. As you mentioned, it's all about politics.
 

LakZaNokte

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There's also bigger language continuums like South Slavic which includes Serbo-Croatian, Slovenian, Macedonian and Bulgarian for instance (where Kajkavica is the intermediate language between Serbo-Croatian and Slovenian, and Torlaci being the intermediate between Serbo-Croatian and Macedonian).
serbo-croatian thing kinda fails on kajkavica - it is spoken only in north-west part of croatia (including zagreb) and parts of slovenia (or entire, don't know tbh) but it is not used in serbian at all.
also, seriously, i never heard of torlaci. u say it's something that has to do with macedonian so i'm guessing it could be some sort of bond between serbian and macedonian (probably around the border, just like kajkavica for us and slovenia) but i honestly don't know. basically, croatian and macedonian are very far apart. don't ask me to elaborate cause i can't xrofl2, i can only tell u that i don't understand them any better than czechs, for example.

not to mention the fact that this is only about official languages. just here we have several dialects so different that even we have problems with understanding some of them (those from istria and upper north; border with hungary where u can actually find some sort of weird mix between croatian and hungarian xrofl2).

like i said, this could go on forever xshrug
 

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My favorites: (apart from Swedish)

Icelandic
Faroese
Old Norse
Sámi languages
Finnish
Breton
Anglo-Saxon
English
Serbo-Croatian/Ex-Yu ;)
Russian
Lakota
Quenya
Sindarin
 

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I can't understand how ex-yugoslavs can't understand macedonian or bulgarian? I mean macedonian have only a few different words and two letters (i think) in comparision with serbo-croatian

BTW i am in love with greek right now
 

Luki

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I can't understand how ex-yugoslavs can't understand macedonian or bulgarian? I mean macedonian have only a few different words and two letters (i think) in comparision with serbo-croatian

BTW i am in love with greek right now

Maybe it's because croatian and serbian are different after all. :)
 

Sandy

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I dont think i have a favourite i think all have something nice when you listen
ok some language we used too more to hear like french.. but does not mean i like the rest less
 

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I love all Scandinavian languages, but especially Norwegian and Finnish. I can't explain why, they're just xheart xlove
And I love Japanese, it sounds so cute and is actually an easy language, but it's completely different from the Germanic languages, that's why it's hard to learn for me...
 
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