Voting and the jury role in it

[Guitarhero]

Can someone tell me where to find the detailed, split votes of the grand final? They don't seem to be on the website like they were last year.

I only found the televote results:

https://eurovisiontimes.wordpress.com/2015/05/24/eurovision-2015-italy-won-the-televoting/

Televoting top ten
Italy – 366
Russia – 286
Sweden – 279
Belgium – 195
Estonia – 144
Australia Australia – 132
Israel – 104
Latvia – 100
Albania – 93
Serbia – 86

And

Jury+Televoting top ten
Sweden – 365
Russia – 303
Italy – 292
Belgium – 217
Australia – 196
Latvia – 186
Estonia – 106
Norway – 102
Israel – 97
Serbia – 53

 

[Leydan]

What I'm gonna say, and it will probably be unpopular here, but we can't go throwing fits and getting rid of the jury and then bringing it back again because they didn't vote how we wanted. We need to deal with the fact that they preferred Sweden and not Italy.

 

[lavieenrose]

What I'm gonna say, and it will probably be unpopular here, but we can't go throwing fits and getting rid of the jury and then bringing it back again because they didn't vote how we wanted. We need to deal with the fact that they preferred Sweden and not Italy.

Agreed wholeheartedly, and the "but they don't support any of the riskier entries!" complaint has a whole bunch of counterexamples, including both "Rhythm Inside" and "Love Injected."

 

[Leydan]

Agreed wholeheartedly, and the "but they don't support any of the riskier entries!" complaint has a whole bunch of counterexamples, including both "Rhythm Inside" and "Love Injected."

This was just a backlash because it didn't go how people wanted to, everyone will be over it within a couple of weeks.

 

[Carrie]

I could live with juries as long as they won't change the finalists and the winner. The countries that come Top 10 in televoting should become the chance to perform a 2nd time and show their song to all of Europe and the winner is the song everyone remembers in the future. Normal viewers won't remember that horrible voiced albanian girl would've made 10th or whatever. But 'Heroes' is set as the winner for all time now and Italy should be on that place as the crowd obviously wanted it.

Oh my, I clicked 'like' on this post too early xnaughty

I do agree with the majority of that though, in contrast my favourites tend to do better with the juries than televoters

 

[JamieBrown]

Oh my, I clicked 'like' on this post too early xnaughty

I do agree with the majority of that though, in contrast my favourites tend to do better with the juries than televoters

Keep watching her entry. It's not bad song, neither good to me. But she was so off tune, that it's no surprise juries kicked her down. But I don't matter about that. Because when I will ask friends in a few weeks: 'Do you remember albanian entry this year?' they will answer with 'No'. Sorry that I picked one of your favourite entries, but it was a horrible performance
I know also Australia, Russia, Latvia, Israel, Estonia and Serbia won't stuck in their heads, and most other non-fans won't forget most other entries as well. It's like it is sadly

 

[LoveHate]

Haven't seen the split votes from the final yet, but Lithuanias 0 points to Russia has to be a prime example of a jury sabotaging an entry by deliberately ranking it very low.

Looked into it now, and this is exactly what happened. Two members of the jury had Russia dead last, and the overall jury rank was 20th. So, a third place in televoting gave them 0 points. I'm sure there are similar examples across the board, but this is just one that I noticed last night. If jury ranks 11-27 were to be treated the same (as 11th position), Russia would have ended up in the top 6-8 and received at least some points. Seems much more reasonable to me.

Fix it!

 

[ElRuso]

What I'm gonna say, and it will probably be unpopular here, but we can't go throwing fits and getting rid of the jury and then bringing it back again because they didn't vote how we wanted. We need to deal with the fact that they preferred Sweden and not Italy.

We cant go throwing televoters away either. We need to deal with the fact that millions of people preferred Italy and Russia over Sweden.

 

[ElRuso]

Looked into it now, and this is exactly what happened. Two members of the jury had Russia dead last, and the overall jury rank was 20th. So, a third place in televoting gave them 0 points. I'm sure there are similar examples across the board, but this is just one that I noticed last night. If jury ranks 11-27 were to be treated the same (as 11th position), Russia would have ended up in the top 6-8 and received at least some points. Seems much more reasonable to me.

Fix it!

It was obvious, that one of the Baltics would vote down Russia, one Latvian and one Georgian also ranked Polina last. What I cant understand is how can juries rank Italy last. LAST. It is beyond me.

 

[Guitarhero]

Here is the result from the jury. Latvia 2nd and Italy only 6th with less than half of Sweden's points. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest_2015#Final_2

Sweden 353
Latvia 249
Russia 234
Australia 224
Belgium 186
Italy 171
Norway 163
Israel 77
Cyprus 63
Georgia 62
Estonia 53
Montenegro 44
Austria 40
Azerbaijan 40
Slovenia 36
Lithuania 31
Hungary 29
Greece 29
France 24
Germany 24
Romania 21
Armenia 15
United Kingdom 12
Serbia 12
Spain 6
Albania 4
Poland 2

 

[Uvaro]

one of the australian jurors admitted that he's friends with one of the songwriters of a million voices and gave russia top marks... :?

 

[LoveHate]

It was obvious, that one of the Baltics would vote down Russia, one Latvian and one Georgian also ranked Polina last. What I cant understand is how can juries rank Italy last. LAST. It is beyond me.

It's simply because they can. It's cheating, with apparently no consequences. Music is of course a matter of taste, but ranking any of Russia, Italy or Sweden lower than 15th is clearly bullshit. They do it only to affect the final result as much as possible.

 

[Gordon_Shumway]

I could have lived very very well with 15th place for Sweden. Just sayin'.

 

[Kicker]

The juries obviously still don't get their job right in a lot of countries... Armenia put at 26 from all jurors in Azerbaijan and just the other way round in Armenia. Seriously? Still don't get the sense of the juries, they actually vote far more political than the televoters...

 

[Anjeza]

Imo despite all the political/ friendly voting the biggest problem ist that the juries still see a different performance than the viewers! There were some countries that sounded not so good yesterday but quite good on Friday and the juries also can only judge what they see (if they take their job seriously and don't only vote for their friends/neighbours/ etc.) We're living in the 21st century so is it really soooo difficult to have them voting on Saturday too?

 

[Kairit]

I do agree that the jury voting should have a smaller impact. It just doesn't feel right at all that the favourite of the majority of Europe doesn't decide the winner and that it could actually be in the hands of a few people. That's why this is the first year that I am actually upset by it. It doesn't matter if some certain countries give each other a bit more points because of it (it happens anyway with this system!) or what results the other countries get, the winner should be decided by the public. Plus we also really don't have any cheap kitsch or gimmick entries anymore that would attract the viewers so much and make them vote or something. Feels like the juries are actually the ones attracted by gimmick entries... :? And as far as I've seen, the public really has almost always been capable of choosing the deserving winner anyway.

I don't know if enough people complaining about it would make a difference now. Probably not ....

 

[LoveHate]

Btw, any idea why the two jury votes were disqualified, or will we never know?

 

[Haverdge]

It's not fair. People are told their votes matter when in reality, they can easily be undone by 5 people on a "professional jury" who either vote tactfully, vote politically, or if they're former contestants, they return the favor to all of the countries that gave them high/low points in the previous year. The juries have way too much influence, and I think it's more than the falsely-advertised 50-50. Full ranking gives them more power to do more damage. The fact that Italy won the televote but the contest will be in Sweden is indicative of that.

Also, I'm blown away by the awful taste of some of these juries.

 

[daniels1000]

Btw, any idea why the two jury votes were disqualified, or will we never know?

I've seen Montenegro's votes while they were still available (they deleted them 10-15 minutes after they had revealed the split votes) and I think it's because the votes of all 5 jurors were very similar, almost the same.

But I don't get why Azerbaijan jury's votes haven't been disqualified as well then. :? Look here: http://www.eurovision.tv/page/results?event=2083&voter=AZ

 

[LoveHate]

It's not fair. People are told their votes matter when in reality, they can easily be undone by 5 people on a "professional jury" who either vote tactfully, vote politically, or if they're former contestants, they return the favor to all of the countries that gave them high/low points in the previous year. The juries have way too much influence, and I think it's more than the falsely-advertised 50-50. Full ranking gives them more power to do more damage. The fact that Italy won the televote but the contest will be in Sweden is indicative of that.

Also, I'm blown away by the awful taste of some of these juries.

Touché. Limiting the jury ranking to just a top-10 would take away the possiblity for them to sabotage entries, and bring their influence closer to 50 %. The rest of the entries would all be equal to an 11th seed when combining jury votes and televotes.