United Kingdom UNITED KINGDOM 2024 - Olly Alexander - Dizzy

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[HarryUK]

Say what? So I am am playing in the hands of those who seek to damage the LGBT-community because I dare to criticize the overall vibe of this performance? You must be joking. Again you don't know shit about me so stop assuming.

Holding the views that you do damages the community on a wider scale. There are many many layers to being LGBT+ and we have to stick together and uplift one another, because no straight person will go out of their way to do so.

 

[aef]

Olly is expressing his sexuality and he has every right to do that. I have a lot of respect for him for fighting for my side.

I just don't know if there is any need of someone heavily expressing his/ her/ their sexuality at the Eurovision stage (no matter which orientation...).

 

[GermanBango]

Holding the views that you do damages the community on a wider scale. There are many many layers to being LGBT+ and we have to stick together and uplift one another, because no straight person will go out of their way to do so.

What views exactly do I hold according to you? Enlighten me. Indeed there are many layers of being queer and at the end of the day we are all human beings with individual thoughts, feelings and beliefs.

 

[HarryUK]

What views exactly do I hold according to you? Enlighten me. Indeed there are many layers of being queer and at the end of the day we are all human beings with individual thoughts, feelings and beliefs.

Calling Olly’s performance demonic really has negative connotations to it that damages the LGBT community as that’s often what religious leaders would call us simply for existing.

We’re clearly not going to agree, so let’s just agree to disagree here.

 

[Datura]

i won't get involved in the discussion that seems to be going on here, but in my own personal opinion i think stylewise this looks absolutely phenomenal, judging from what i've seen so far one of my favourites if not THE favourite staging of the year.

 

[Rocket man]

You two are absolutely not getting the point. Thing is: In your arguments you are being so pressed about a particular notion of freedom of expression while at the same time literally invalidating other queer people (!) who are not really too thrilled with the performance and have troubles identifying themselves with it. In other words: Who are you to tell me that I have some problems with my own sexuality/identity just because I don't like what you do? That's just disrespectful.

Your problem is that you have homophobes that are agreeing with your opinions. I've seen people that have made homophobic slurs and also made similar opinions to yours.

 

[Rocket man]

I just don't know if there is any need of someone heavily expressing his/ her/ their sexuality at the Eurovision stage (no matter which orientation...).

Of course because straight people take it for granted. You're showing a lot of ignorance towards gay people.

 

[aef]

Of course because straight people take it for granted. You're showing a lot of ignorance towards gay people.

Not at all actually. I’m bi myself and I’m a clear LGBTQ supporter. And I was talking about any form of sexuality. But there’s no universal right of expressing sexuality on public tv at a tv show that’s supposed to be for everyone, also children. I also don’t want to see a straight couple making out on Eurovision stage.

 

[nudiecrudi]

Personally I don't have anything against Ollie's staging.
It's marketing baby. Sex sells a lot. Everyone is talking about this rehearsal now.
Before the rehearsals none was considering him because the song is bland, my opinion.
Now he has drown some attention. We've had a lot of porno-pop stagings, I just want to recall the huge support from the Fandome Maruv from Ukraine has had with Siren Song.

 

[Ted Talks]

Personally I don't have anything against Ollie's staging.
It's marketing baby. Sex sells a lot. Everyone is talking about this rehearsal now.
Before the rehearsals none was considering him because the song is bland, my opinion.
Now he has drown some attention. We've had a lot of porno-pop stagings, I just want to recall the huge support from the Fandome Maruv from Ukraine has had with Siren Song.

Indeed Maruv and Siren Song (which I love as a song and performance) was just as in your face as this and yet seemed to gain universal love at the time.

Sex sells in music. Always has done and always will. Eurovision is not immune to it. The Polish milk maids were extremely sexual - there’s no two ways about that - and that was a decade ago.

What Olly is staging is extremely tame by 2024 music video standards. If Eurovision was as ‘family friendly’ as some are making it out to be, we’d have no topless male performers ever (including in skits) and then you’d have banned Chanel for her outfit as well. Chanel was most certainly exerting her sexuality in her routine with some of the moves leaving little to the imagination - or was the whole ‘bam, bam, bam’ bit with heavy thrusting talking about fireworks?

 

[GermanBango]

Your problem is that you have homophobes that are agreeing with your opinions. I've seen people that have made homophobic slurs and also made similar opinions to yours.

You gotta learn to differentiate and to not draw correlations where there are none.
Also I would still like to know what opinion in particular y'all are referring to because right now it sounds like you are simply butthurt because I do not like the vibe the performance (coming, surprise surprise, from your very own country) is giving off. I was not even once coming for Olly as an artist or as a queer person. I specifically said that the performance is too much of a cliche for me personally and that it therefore does not speak to me. Whereas I was attacked on a personal level with people questioning my sexual identity multiple times in here. That I find disrespectful.

 

[AcousticCotton]

Prudes should go all the way back to 1969 and dissect the lyrics to Boom Bang-a-Bang or Knock, Knock Who's There? from 1970.

Anyway, BBC / Olly have got people talking so that's a win in my book, and I'm sure theirs!

 

[nudiecrudi]

I think we should go beyond of Oly's stagings.
The main question is that ESC has become an event where staging is desperatly seeking and becoming more important than the song itself.
A mediocre song with an intriguing staging remains always mediocre but hey everyone is talking about it.
I've always moved critics towards over-stagings because often low quality songs are hidden behind.
Let's be serious. Cha cha cha has become a big hit outside the bubble breaking the ESC borders? No. Winning highest televote ever didn't help because the song is what it is. And we have so many examples of over-staged songs that after ESC nobody remember , beside the hard core fans

 

[Bmbriga]

Oh please. If you want to liken queerness to being demonic then you’re very much part of the problem

Oh, did you stretch before that reach?
Who's liken queerness to being demonic?
You asked a question and I gave you my opinion that I think demon (pop) culture references are pretty obvious and put there deliberately as part of the staging.
I don't have a problem with that, obviously Olly and his team don't, so what's your problem exactly?

 

[HarryUK]

Twitter really does need to do its thing and leak the on-camera full performance already

Show Olly off in his full demonic queer light for 3 minutes yasssss mama JUDAS is the demon I cling to xo

 

[Rocket man]

You gotta learn to differentiate and to not draw correlations where there are none.
Also I would still like to know what opinion in particular y'all are referring to because right now it sounds like you are simply butthurt because I do not like the vibe the performance (coming, surprise surprise, from your very own country) is giving off. I was not even once coming for Olly as an artist or as a queer person. I specifically said that the performance is too much of a cliche for me personally and that it therefore does not speak to me. Whereas I was attacked on a personal level with people questioning my sexual identity multiple times in here. That I find disrespectful.

You can hate the performance if you want. You do you. I just love that this has provoked you enough to post so many messages about this performance whereas before the staging reveal you probably didn't care before. So who's laughing really.

 

[GermanBango]

You can hate the performance if you want. You do you. I just love that this has provoked you enough to post so many messages about this performance whereas before the staging reveal you probably didn't care before. So who's laughing really.

All of us when it ends up bottom 5, I suppose.

 

[HarryUK]

All of us when it ends up bottom 5, I suppose.

Girl do not even come for us when your own country reserves 26th spot most years. Take your negativity out of the UK thread!

 

[GermanBango]

Girl do not even come for us when your own country reserves 26th spot most years. Take your negativity out of the UK thread!

26th OR 25th to be exact.

 

[HarryUK]

26th OR 25th to be exact.

You’re not fussy!