anto475
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There's no chance of UKIB taking over the Eurovision is there? I can imagine that ITV would produce something great and flashy for an NF, or C4 would pick something wonderful internally!
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As much as some people would like that, I'm willing to bet the BBC will never withdraw...
Besides, ITV would be a by-the-numbers Eurovision ballad and Channel 4 would send something that tries to be trendy but ends up a catastrophic mess, so neither would be better. They know Eurovision has guaranteed ratings so their advert revenue won't require much effort on their part either.
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I think ITV and C4 would put in a lot more effort than the BBC, though.
Effort full stop would probably be more accurate.
Effort full stop would probably be more accurate.
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ITV have BGT in the way and that would be priority above ESC. C4 now has the person in charge behind the UKs entries 06-08 period.
Nevertheless i'm sure they would both want to show that they can do it better than BBC - even though that wouldn't be hard.
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I'd take Channel 4's supposed "trying to be trendy mess" over has-beens with lazy songs that BBC send and the whole disrespectful attitude BBC shows off in general...
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We're gunna win this coming year I can just sense it!!! And Eurovision will always be with the BBC and that's the way it should be, it's the nation broadcaster.
Feeling optimistic are we?
It will take a sudden a miracle and a sudden u-turn in BBC eurovision policy.I'd take Channel 4's supposed "trying to be trendy mess" over has-beens with lazy songs that BBC send and the whole disrespectful attitude BBC shows off in general...
At least Channel 4 will be trying... even if it does end up crashing.
BBC wont give it just because of how profitable it is and great viewing figures it gets, but i'm sure they would be flipping out over being out done by ITV or Channel 4.
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Nah we won't
And no offence but what is with the royal family backdoor licking fest in your signature/avatar etc.?I'd never worship a baby, just saying.
NeonProject
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Lolololloloololol
I think we need to actually put some effort into some good results before expecting to win, as much as I'd love the UK to win.
The BBC doesn't really represent the UK's opinion whatsoever in it's selections. I'm confident whatever format ITV would go with, they would have a televote format to select the entrant, so I ask you this. When you send an entry to ESC in the name of a country, it is best that this entry doesn't represent the musical taste of that country whatsoever?
With the current way things are handled, I couldn't imagine a broadcaster worse and more out of touch for this contest than the BBC.
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Lolololloloololol
I think we need to actually put some effort into some good results before expecting to win, as much as I'd love the UK to win.
The BBC doesn't really represent the UK's opinion whatsoever in it's selections. I'm confident whatever format ITV would go with, they would have a televote format to select the entrant, so I ask you this. When you send an entry to ESC in the name of a country, it is best that this entry doesn't represent the musical taste of that country whatsoever?
With the current way things are handled, I couldn't imagine a broadcaster worse and more out of touch for this contest than the BBC.
ITV have nowhere to put a talent search even if they had ESC. From 2015 they already have a talent format each weekend, they could not have another. ITV won't dump the soaps in the week nor create an association with a 'toxic' brand to one of their own. ITV 2 would possibly bekon. BBC is awful but realistically looking at the other side it is a case of the grass is greener as I would expect more of the same. The age of the demographics of BBC 1 and Radio 2 are quite reflective of the entries picked in the last two years unfortunately. Radio 1 will never get ESC with the entries not just of the UK but most other countries. ITV would possibly pick younger acts but I don't think it will gain an inch of credibility. I would also think the musical taste of ESC will be reflected in anything that sounds close to Bucks Fizz if on offer. I would say what the UK has won with in the past has damaged perceptions of the contest more than anything else.
I don't think a build up of results would be needed for a UK win. It is one of the few countries that if it wants to win it does know how and would do so if it wanted to. It is the inability to pick something that can equate to a respectable placing which is the problem.
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Well first of all, ITV doesn't just have the programming slots that BGT and X Factor take. This selection could take place on late-night weekdays, or even Sunday afternoons. Whilst this might get a groan that it isn't prime-time etc. compare this selection with the excellent selection the BBC currently has going - oh wait...
ITV would definitely accommodate the contest, and I don't think that's being optimistic, looking at the figures ESC pulls in along with the hashtags on twitter... do you realistically believe that ITV wouldn't accommodate this brand or nurture it? The fact that Simon Cowell said he wants a part of it could even lead to a link up of one of his shows to select the act. Whether you think that's a good thing or not, it introduces the power of democracy to our entry, which the BBC does not offer. And shows that people at ITV would be interested and invest their time in it.
The problem with the BBC is they have a budget for this, which doesn't come across very high, judging from this ridiculous format. ITV gains money through advertising, which (once again, if you think it's a good thing or not) would be through the roof when you have the viewership ESC brings. There's no doubt ITV would be able to allocate more money to the contest and invest it in the selection format or the show in the actual contest.
With the criticism the BBC is now getting for the selection of our act (now not just with the fans), do you really think ITV would be stupid enough to be the new owner of this brand and then do exactly what everyone has been complaining about? Whilst the act might not do better, there'd be a higher standard when selecting this artist and a conscious decision in the selection to make sure we improve results and not just hold our hands up saying "let's hope we don't get last". ITV is a competitive broadcaster and they have a chance to compete with other broadcasters across Europe here... of course they're going to go for that.
Whether you think swapping to ITV would be good or not is fair enough, but the approach would be hugely different and there would definitely be a push to improve our image in the contest, ITV's would be riding alongside it. Right now I think the UK needs a huge shake-up with the contest, I personally put this above good results, I'd prefer to see some effort, a different kind of approach, one that isn't exclusive and so dismissive of fans and the UK opinion. I'd also prefer an approach that doesn't disregard the fact that this is a competition.
Fans just want to see the brand valued by the broadcaster and the selection (and its process) are how you do that with Eurovision.
ITV would definitely accommodate the contest, and I don't think that's being optimistic, looking at the figures ESC pulls in along with the hashtags on twitter... do you realistically believe that ITV wouldn't accommodate this brand or nurture it? The fact that Simon Cowell said he wants a part of it could even lead to a link up of one of his shows to select the act. Whether you think that's a good thing or not, it introduces the power of democracy to our entry, which the BBC does not offer. And shows that people at ITV would be interested and invest their time in it.
The problem with the BBC is they have a budget for this, which doesn't come across very high, judging from this ridiculous format. ITV gains money through advertising, which (once again, if you think it's a good thing or not) would be through the roof when you have the viewership ESC brings. There's no doubt ITV would be able to allocate more money to the contest and invest it in the selection format or the show in the actual contest.
With the criticism the BBC is now getting for the selection of our act (now not just with the fans), do you really think ITV would be stupid enough to be the new owner of this brand and then do exactly what everyone has been complaining about? Whilst the act might not do better, there'd be a higher standard when selecting this artist and a conscious decision in the selection to make sure we improve results and not just hold our hands up saying "let's hope we don't get last". ITV is a competitive broadcaster and they have a chance to compete with other broadcasters across Europe here... of course they're going to go for that.
Whether you think swapping to ITV would be good or not is fair enough, but the approach would be hugely different and there would definitely be a push to improve our image in the contest, ITV's would be riding alongside it. Right now I think the UK needs a huge shake-up with the contest, I personally put this above good results, I'd prefer to see some effort, a different kind of approach, one that isn't exclusive and so dismissive of fans and the UK opinion. I'd also prefer an approach that doesn't disregard the fact that this is a competition.
Fans just want to see the brand valued by the broadcaster and the selection (and its process) are how you do that with Eurovision.
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There is a reason why such shows are not on late night and afternoons is because each slot has a certain cost attributed to it due to the advertising reach being considerably lower than primetime. The money would not be grand.
BBC actually do the twitter thing which is obvious with the slogans 'Blue Can' 'Believe in Bonnie' however they use it far too much in as a criteria of what to pick.
The advertising would be there for the final as you say not massive in comparision to other ITV brands. What about the revenue for the NF out of primetime? That as stated is set depending on the time of day. They did not get much interest for the BBC similar to NFs in Germany little interest.
The point about providing what people want is a huge problem for any broadcaster now. One set of fans want this, others this etc. etc. In the end we get something nobody wants year in year out. We have calls for credible, known name, they must have time to tour Europe, known in Europe, simple and catchy, eurovisiony, but not too eurovisiony and on and on. One reason why I honestly think the BBC should one year should go to hell what they want and pick something with no criteria. Like it or not the wish list will never be met with any broadcaster.
Some fans are pie in the sky in what people think the UK can get these days. Wogan can take most of the blame there. I honestly believe that some think the BBC can get anyone at a drop of the hat. They can't, and music managers will prevent any act willing to give it a go. The UK music industry does not need Eurovision.
The effort put in would be refelctive of the time slot you put the program in. A sunday show or late night show will not have that platform. This is just how broadcasting works.
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To be honest, I think with X Factor figures dwindling, they could offer an ESC spot for the winner (or if not the winner, the public vote on a contestant who placed from 2nd-12th for the 'runner up prize') and then they can record maybe 5-6 songs from December - March, the have a national final on ITV around that time. Better than nothing I guess. But with the X Factor winner 90% of the time having their follow up single playlisted by Radio 1, they don't really have anything to lose by doing it either.
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I would bet Radio 1 would not playlist them at all due to the ESC connection and in turn kill their career stone dead. Syco are out to make money over the long term as are other labels. They will not piss this potential up the wall. Really they should try to pick acts bigger in mainland Europe than they are in the UK. The stigma would not black ball them regardless of their output after ESC.
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Why not use Radio 1 listeners to select the song
In the German selection process, I think radio listening/voting plays a big part. I think it can work to expand to a greater audience size of all listeners - after all everyone listens to the radio while going places, so the songs would reach just about everyone.
