UNITED KINGDOM 2010 - Josh Dubovie - That Sounds Good to Me

[94ayd]

See, not a 25th. Even you, the biggest critic of them all.

 

[AlexG]

@ MHIY:

I think the UK is one of the "targets" because of its musical pedigree.

It's like everyone wants to beat Brazil at football because they're who they are - take it as a compliment

Agreed! People expect something special from the UK.

And along with other big music countries like Spain and to a smaller extent France, have really underachieved in the Eurovision, mainly due to their own bad judgement, but I think only getting their songs heard on the final night doesn't do their chances any good at all as the viewers haven't got used to their songs yet. Jade was an exception due to the song's highly publicised composer, whoever he was

However, this year's number didn't make many waves at all, and has hardly been mentioned anywhere in any press. The late release of the finalised version and the lack of a "presence" in the media has not done the UK any favours this year. As well as the fact that the song itself is quite... for want of a better word... "mainstream". It doesn't go that extra mile to stand out.

It'll pick up fives and sixes here and there and won't finish too low, but I can't see it outperforming Jade.

Let's hope next year's songwriter is a big one - I'd like Mika or someone like that to bring some imagination to the song and the act

 

[FallenAngelII]

Thanks for slating us!

I have nothing against the United Kingdom. It's a pretty wonderful, though rainy, country. In the past 5 years I've been the to the United Kingdom a whopping 9 times, I believe. My ex-boyfriend was British, my current boyfriend is half-British (living in Sweden, thankfully) (no, it was just a coincidence! They're both named Charles, but it's still a giant coincidence, I swear!). The Brits are pretty nice and you have Waga Mama (kick-ass Chinese restaurant chain with cheap and kick-ass ramen) and Kentucky Fried Chicken (mmm... chicken in a bucket!), what's not to love?

However, when it comes to Eurovisions, you guys have seriously dropped the ball on more than one occasion. I mean, the rapper-guy, what was up with that?! They autotuned him. He was so bad at rapping they had to autotune it! Wait, what?!

See, not a 25th. Even you, the biggest critic of them all.

I'm a consistent critic. I've never said that Josh is sure to get dead last. I've only ever said "Probably Bottom 5". The reason why he probably won't get dead last is because of France's sexistic horse manure parade. And Spain is pretty drab, too, but at least it's just a bunch of bad artistic decisions coming together to form the perfect storm of "WTF" instead of an entry that's just bad at its core ("That Sounds Bad o Me").

As well as the fact that the song itself is quite... for want of a better word... "mainstream". It doesn't go that extra mile to stand out.

In 1982-

It'll pick up fives and sixes here and there and won't finish too low, but I can't see it outperforming Jade.

Really? You really think out of a field of 25 qualifiers, the UK will be Top 5-6 with more than a few countries?

Let's hope next year's songwriter is a big one - I'd like Mika or someone like that to bring some imagination to the song and the act

Umm... this year's song writers were big ones... well, back in the 80's. They still produced hogwash. Get good ones!

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

^ U dating same guy!

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Obviously we will get high points from Ireland and Malta

I can see us getting from other countries too! Surely people will vote for the prop!

 

[PoppySnuggleGlass]

The reason why I stated ‘some’ was because, obviously, not all people think that, to state ‘all’ would be a massive generalisation! There is no need to get aggressive with me. I’m not a bad person, promise!

I will agree that the reason why our songs do badly is because, on average, they are rubbish! Gemini, Javine, James Fox and Daz Sampson were either terrible or extremely bland.

Personally, I thought Andy Abraham’s song was pretty decent, but most people in Europe obviously thought it was dreadful. I thought ‘My Time’ was awful, but a lot of people in Europe liked it!

Irrespective of this, my opinions on both songs haven’t changed. I don’t see why someone should get stick for liking a song simply because the majority hate it.

Anyway, take care, and I hope you have a fun Eurovision-filled weekend.

 

[AlexG]

It'll pick up fives and sixes here and there and won't finish too low, but I can't see it outperforming Jade.

FallenAngelII:

"Really? You really think out of a field of 25 qualifiers, the UK will be Top 5-6 with more than a few countries?"

No, I think it'll get five or six points from some generous countries but no higher.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Irish votes will be: 8 Portugal 10 United Kingdom and 12 Norway I think... and I hope!!!

 

[Raul_Spain]

Come on! I only wanted to have some fun. I had a great time when Spain deservedly finished last in 1999.

 

[PoppySnuggleGlass]

Come on! I only wanted to have some fun. I had a great time when Spain deservedly finished last in 1999.

Hehe, I'll probably do the same for the UK this year.

Apologies if my comments rubbed people up the wrong way. I think I get in the habit of being a bit paranoid sometimes. Need to work on that.

I anticipate the coming weekend. I'll be in Munich, most likely watching it from some bar somewhere, should be fun!

 

[FallenAngelII]

Obviously we will get high points from Ireland and Malta

I can see us getting from other countries too! Surely people will vote for the prop!

Umm... Ireland usually shuns the UK when the UK sends hogwash (as they should) and so does Malta. There's a reason why the UK has aspired to breaks 20 points in the past few years (until 2009).

 

[ESCGirl]

Obviously we will get high points from Ireland and Malta

I can see us getting from other countries too! Surely people will vote for the prop!

Umm... Ireland usually shuns the UK when the UK sends hogwash (as they should) and so does Malta. There's a reason why the UK has aspired to breaks 20 points in the past few years (until 2009).

What you have to remember is that most people in the UK think our own songs are rubbish. The problem is that the BBC just doesn't care what the Eurovision fans think. Their main aim is to get people to watch Eurovision for the 'funny' commentary. Obviously this is a big problem for us because there are a few thousand really dedicated Eurovision fans who end up frustrated every year. I'm sure the only reason the BBC 'made an effort' last year was to promote our new commentator, Graham Norton.
We have no choice but to make the best of what we are given because the BBC just doesn't cater for Eurovision at all. What are we supposed to do? Complaining never works
I do agree with you that most of our songs in recent years have been 100% bile and not worth voting for. Having said that, I happen to like our song and singer this year but don't for one minute think that the rest of the UK are behind the entry - they aren't!

One thing that I wanted to add is that you can say what you like about the BBC and you are probably right, but you can't knock the UK Eurovision fans. We are one of the most dedicated sets of fans you are ever likely to meet and most of us always want the best songs to do well, even that is not our own.

 

[FallenAngelII]

What you have to remember is that most people in the UK think our own songs are rubbish.

The problem is that it seems the British televoters sometimes actively choose the biggest pile of rubbish in their national final to send to Eurovision. Josh, really? Despite Alexis' lyrical amnesia, she should still have won. And even if she didn't, Josh was hardly 2nd best vocally! I mean, come on! What the frack did Josh have that the rest of the contestants didn't?! Nothing, that's what!

It's like they deliberately voted for the guy who could barely sing and who looked like a fish out of water!

One thing that I wanted to add is that you can say what you like about the BBC and you are probably right, but you can't knock the UK Eurovision fans. We are one of the most dedicated sets of fans you are ever likely to meet and most of us always want the best songs to do well, even that is not our own.

"You people" = "The United Kingdom's populace"

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Alexis was a guy

And Josh is a very good singer and a really sweet guy and he was quite clearly the best at YCNY so leave him alone! :evil:

 

[thms]

i normally listen to 5 live on medium wave to pass the time.. but i mislaid/lost my earphones.. i decided to listen to radio 2 on fm on my mobile phone, and the moment i popped in the earphone i heard the opening bars of 'that sounds good to me'! it's an omen!! great bass sound by the way.. later in the show, when ken bruce was talking to katrina (katrina and the waves) about her favourite eurovision songs, he played denmark's winner's the olsen brothers and - apparently - it was 500/1 before the contest! another omen? i happen to think that while the overall standard this year is not as good as previous years.. the standard of our entry is better than previous years.. i really did not take to andrew lloyd webber's dirge of a song 'my time' (or 'mai tai' as jade prefers to sing it). i've been watching eureovision for decades, and i cannot think of the last time a song won that i like.. so i am long overdue a winner! here is a shortlist of previous entries that i picked as my personal winner..

my personal past winners are..

2002 - uk - jessica garlick - come back
2003 - belgium - urban trad -sanomi
2004 - cyprus - lisa andreas - stronger every minute
2005 - latvia - walters and kazha - the war is not over (honourable mention: lise darly - monaco - tout de moi)
2006 - france - virginie pouchain - il etait temps
2007 - czech republic - kabat - mala dama
2008 - bosnia and herzegovina - laka - pokusaj
2009 - albania - kejsi tola - carry me in your dreams
2010 - uk - josh dubovie - that sounds good to me

 

[PoppySnuggleGlass]

If memory serves me correctly, Josh was the only one in the NF who could actually hold a note. He has a very good singing voice, it’s just a shame that the style of song doesn’t maximise it to its fullest potential.

He’s better singing in a swing/rat pack style than he is at singing pop, but even when he sings pop, he’s still technically good!
It’s a pity the BBC didn’t let Stock & Waterman write the song after Josh was selected, and that’s the BBC’s fault.

In regards to NF televoting in the past, I agree, the public have made some pretty bad decisions. But this may be due to the way in which the Eurovision is perceived in the UK. While you do get the hardcore fan base that treat is seriously, a lot of people (I’m guilty of this too) treat the Eurovision as something kitsch, cheesy and funny. Thus there is a dichotomy in people’s minds between ‘good’ music and Eurovision music, and the two shall rarely mix. All I know is that my flat mates are hugely disappointed that there aren’t many ‘gimmicky’ entries this year. :?

Most people on this board are the exception to this, and want the BBC to send something that could be ‘top 4’ material, and that’s nice to see. I lie somewhere between the two.

 

[FallenAngelII]

Alexis was a guy

Sorry, I meant Esma. And even she was pretty mediocre.

If memory serves me correctly, Josh was the only one in the NF who could actually hold a note. He has a very good singing voice, it’s just a shame that the style of song doesn’t maximise it to its fullest potential.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLl-puy7 ... re=related

That's strange, in the video above, Josh is actually pretty good. Did I perhaps watch a different performance previously where his voice was shaky and off-tune a lot? Did he perform it more than once, one of those times rather poorly?

Well, I take back what I said about his vocal ability then. It's pretty good. The song is still pure hogwash. If Josh makes it out of the Bottom 5, it'll all be thanks to his stage presence and charisma (of which there's relatively little in that clip) and singing ability (which is pretty good if he'd only sung a much better song better suited for his voice).

 

[PoppySnuggleGlass]

Nope, I can't see how either Esme or Alexis were better, vocally that is.

I stand by my point.

EDIT: Woops, posted a bit too early, I'm glad you agree that he has a good vocals at least.

 

[FallenAngelII]

I already retracted (temporarily at least) my opinion of Josh's vocal abilities after watching that clip. Maybe the clip I originally watched was distorted. Or it was of a different performance when he performed much more poorly.

Edit: Damn these edit wars!

 

[ESCGirl]

What you have to remember is that most people in the UK think our own songs are rubbish.

The problem is that it seems the British televoters sometimes actively choose the biggest pile of rubbish in their national final to send to Eurovision. Josh, really? Despite Alexis' lyrical amnesia, she should still have won. And even if she didn't, Josh was hardly 2nd best vocally! I mean, come on! What the frack did Josh have that the rest of the contestants didn't?! Nothing, that's what!

It's like they deliberately voted for the guy who could barely sing and who looked like a fish out of water!

One thing that I wanted to add is that you can say what you like about the BBC and you are probably right, but you can't knock the UK Eurovision fans. We are one of the most dedicated sets of fans you are ever likely to meet and most of us always want the best songs to do well, even that is not our own.

"You people" = "The United Kingdom's populace"

There are like, a few thousand Eurovision fans out of a population of 68 million

I'm sorry but I have to disagree about Alexis (and Esma too). They were both as tuneless as anything. Josh was the only one in the whole final who could hold a tune.