Ukraine UKRAINE 2019 - not taking part
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Mykola
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It seems that many people outside of Ukraine, who followed the selection of the Ukrainian contender for the Eurovision Song Contest 2019 could not understand the discussions which accompanied the event. This discusssion continues and even became more vibrant after the singer Maruv won the national contest to represent Ukraine in Tel Aviv.
The Eurovision is definitely first and foremost a song contest, but it comes as no surprise, that there is always politics around an international contests, especially when a country is suffering from agression and a war, waged by its neighbor. Therefore, people in Ukraine are discussing Maruv’s participation in the Contest not confined to topics of the artistry and professionalism of her performance but also in the context of the messages, she is delivering on- and off stage.
Notwithstanding the fact that Russia aggressively invaded Ukrainian territory, annexed Crimea, and is continuing the war against Ukraine, a war that took the lives of more than 10 000 people, Maruv as a singer is touring with concerts in the Russian Federation to earn money and is announcing that she will continue to do so in the future.
For people outside Ukraine, who live their lives in wealthy democratic countries and do not feel any threat to their wellbeing and freedom, it is certainly difficult to understand the indignation of Ukrainians about a singer who ignores the suffering and struggle of her fellow countrymen and prefers doing show business as usual.
But I would like to ask people outside Ukraine: How would you react, when your country would be assaulted by onother country, parts of your country would be grabed and robed, tousends of your people would be killed and even more people injured, millions would be forced to flee their homes and live their lives as internally displaced persons and at the same time a singer from your country would go on tour to perform to earn money in the country of the aggressor, maybe even in front of people, who in this war were killing your soldiers who were defending your freedom? I don’t think you would easily approve this! That's the background of the discussion in Ukraine and you can not just say: Forget the war and the suffering - just sing, dance, smile and be happy...
It seems that many people outside of Ukraine, who followed the selection of the Ukrainian contender for the Eurovision Song Contest 2019 could not understand the discussions which accompanied the event. This discusssion continues and even became more vibrant after the singer Maruv won the national contest to represent Ukraine in Tel Aviv.
The Eurovision is definitely first and foremost a song contest, but it comes as no surprise, that there is always politics around an international contests, especially when a country is suffering from agression and a war, waged by its neighbor. Therefore, people in Ukraine are discussing Maruv’s participation in the Contest not confined to topics of the artistry and professionalism of her performance but also in the context of the messages, she is delivering on- and off stage.
Notwithstanding the fact that Russia aggressively invaded Ukrainian territory, annexed Crimea, and is continuing the war against Ukraine, a war that took the lives of more than 10 000 people, Maruv as a singer is touring with concerts in the Russian Federation to earn money and is announcing that she will continue to do so in the future.
For people outside Ukraine, who live their lives in wealthy democratic countries and do not feel any threat to their wellbeing and freedom, it is certainly difficult to understand the indignation of Ukrainians about a singer who ignores the suffering and struggle of her fellow countrymen and prefers doing show business as usual.
But I would like to ask people outside Ukraine: How would you react, when your country would be assaulted by onother country, parts of your country would be grabed and robed, tousends of your people would be killed and even more people injured, millions would be forced to flee their homes and live their lives as internally displaced persons and at the same time a singer from your country would go on tour to perform to earn money in the country of the aggressor, maybe even in front of people, who in this war were killing your soldiers who were defending your freedom? I don’t think you would easily approve this! That's the background of the discussion in Ukraine and you can not just say: Forget the war and the suffering - just sing, dance, smile and be happy...
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No. The retard who allowed her to take part should've taken into the consideration that she will win. Now it's his shit to clean up. It has nothing to do with politics since they've allowed her to take part. If your war was such a problem (I know how this sounds, pardon) why the f* you allow your enemy to take part.
Some guys giggled like "Oh, I can't wait to see how this turns out". They wanted some drama. They didn't expect this shitstorm.
No. The retard who allowed her to take part should've taken into the consideration that she will win. Now it's his shit to clean up. It has nothing to do with politics since they've allowed her to take part. If your war was such a problem (I know how this sounds, pardon) why the f* you allow your enemy to take part.
Some guys giggled like "Oh, I can't wait to see how this turns out". They wanted some drama. They didn't expect this shitstorm.
Fierro
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It's impossible now. Society outside of ESC Bubble is split apart because of this situation. Many people just can't imagine singer who performs in country we have war with to represent Ukraine on ESC. There is no way back, because then the drama loop will start again. Ukraine should withdraw.
This is results of one of the polls held on big news site. "Do you agree with Maruv's victory on National selection?" yes, no and don't care. Very big percentage of disapproval
On the other hand, news sites are visited generally by people who are obsessed with politics so this is not necessarily accurately describes whole society. But if Maruv went she'd receive much hate from fanatics.
To be honest, I do sincerely hope that (maybe in vain?) Maruv will be allowed to represent, but... :?
It's impossible now. Society outside of ESC Bubble is split apart because of this situation. Many people just can't imagine singer who performs in country we have war with to represent Ukraine on ESC. There is no way back, because then the drama loop will start again. Ukraine should withdraw.
This is results of one of the polls held on big news site. "Do you agree with Maruv's victory on National selection?" yes, no and don't care. Very big percentage of disapproval
On the other hand, news sites are visited generally by people who are obsessed with politics so this is not necessarily accurately describes whole society. But if Maruv went she'd receive much hate from fanatics.
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Whoever Ukraine send to esc it will be a political decision, and on such a political decision I give zero points.
I'm not even interested in who is going instead Maruv, and I do not care what kind of song it is.
The policy of Ukraine on esc should be boycotted !
0 for me .. more precisely minus 100 for me.
ENDE the story about Ukraine for this year.
Whoever Ukraine send to esc it will be a political decision, and on such a political decision I give zero points.
I'm not even interested in who is going instead Maruv, and I do not care what kind of song it is.
The policy of Ukraine on esc should be boycotted !
0 for me .. more precisely minus 100 for me.
ENDE the story about Ukraine for this year.
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More money she takes from Russians - less money will go to the Russian army. But no, the corrupt government wants to appoint their own candidate.
Russia will win Eurovision, we will sit out the next year (again!) - and we will stay with a ruined image. They have already did more damage than MARUV.
More money she takes from Russians - less money will go to the Russian army. But no, the corrupt government wants to appoint their own candidate.
Russia will win Eurovision, we will sit out the next year (again!) - and we will stay with a ruined image. They have already did more damage than MARUV.
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[MENTION=4918]Mykola[/MENTION]
I understand what you write and I don't see the problem with Ukrainian TV not wanting to send an artist that has a big career in Russia. This is no different to any internal selection or the Belarussian NF that sometimes is rather questionable in their choses. It is what it is and Ukraine can do as they please.
The problem is that they shouldn't even had let Maruv compete to begin with. They should have sat down with all competing acts, letting them all sign the contract beforehand, and noone here would even notice that. This is what surely happens in any other country, from Sweden to Malta, from Ireland to Israel, everyone has contracts and obligations and they all probably look different from each other and that is not the problem. But Ukraine put themselves in this mess, because they were sloppy and didn't do their job properly. Now two acts has said no to sign the contract, and there are even rumours that a third one might do it as well. This just gives Ukraine a bad reputation, and that would only make things worse in a country that is in war too.
[MENTION=4918]Mykola[/MENTION]
I understand what you write and I don't see the problem with Ukrainian TV not wanting to send an artist that has a big career in Russia. This is no different to any internal selection or the Belarussian NF that sometimes is rather questionable in their choses. It is what it is and Ukraine can do as they please.
The problem is that they shouldn't even had let Maruv compete to begin with. They should have sat down with all competing acts, letting them all sign the contract beforehand, and noone here would even notice that. This is what surely happens in any other country, from Sweden to Malta, from Ireland to Israel, everyone has contracts and obligations and they all probably look different from each other and that is not the problem. But Ukraine put themselves in this mess, because they were sloppy and didn't do their job properly. Now two acts has said no to sign the contract, and there are even rumours that a third one might do it as well. This just gives Ukraine a bad reputation, and that would only make things worse in a country that is in war too.
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I agree with all of this. It's kind of shocking how flippant some people are about it. It's like they don't realize or don't want to realize that there's literally a war going on in Ukraine, and as you said, over 10,000 people have died. That's the reality that Ukrainians are living in, and it may not be so easy for them to just "ignore" it and pretend ESC is just about the music. Spoiler alert, ESC is not just about the music.
With that said, the channel is rightfully getting dragged because of how they've handled this whole thing. They flirted with this issue back when SunSay became a frontrunner. They should have known this could be an issue. As I said before, they should have either addressed in the selection rules, or told Kvinta not to select anyone who regularly tours in Russia. They didn't (from what we can see). I understand their predicament now, but it was on them to prevent this from happening in the first place. Once they allowed someone like Maruv to participate, they need to be prepared to allow her to win. If they did this on purpose for publicity and ratings, then it's even more fair that they're getting roasted.
I agree with all of this. It's kind of shocking how flippant some people are about it. It's like they don't realize or don't want to realize that there's literally a war going on in Ukraine, and as you said, over 10,000 people have died. That's the reality that Ukrainians are living in, and it may not be so easy for them to just "ignore" it and pretend ESC is just about the music. Spoiler alert, ESC is not just about the music.
With that said, the channel is rightfully getting dragged because of how they've handled this whole thing. They flirted with this issue back when SunSay became a frontrunner. They should have known this could be an issue. As I said before, they should have either addressed in the selection rules, or told Kvinta not to select anyone who regularly tours in Russia. They didn't (from what we can see). I understand their predicament now, but it was on them to prevent this from happening in the first place. Once they allowed someone like Maruv to participate, they need to be prepared to allow her to win. If they did this on purpose for publicity and ratings, then it's even more fair that they're getting roasted.
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People of Russia woke up one day and have been told "CRIMEA IS OURS!". Did we ask for it? Did we vote for it? Did we riot for it? NO.
Nobody had a clue it even was on the radar.
Thousands of russian and ukranian people suffer because of decision made by few dudes in big expensive chairs that keep on dick fighting.
Families part, friends separate.
We should NOT let them make us, simple people who didn't sign for it, enemies.
Maruv has nothing to do with all this mess, neither do her fans, crossing the border is completely legal, she didn't break any law.
We should go to each others countries. We should communicate. We should arrange concerts of each other's artists.
Otherwise politics will win, we will end up brainwashed with closed borders North-South Korea / Armenia/Azerbaijan style.
FUCK. IT.
People of Russia woke up one day and have been told "CRIMEA IS OURS!". Did we ask for it? Did we vote for it? Did we riot for it? NO.
Nobody had a clue it even was on the radar.
Thousands of russian and ukranian people suffer because of decision made by few dudes in big expensive chairs that keep on dick fighting.
Families part, friends separate.
We should NOT let them make us, simple people who didn't sign for it, enemies.
Maruv has nothing to do with all this mess, neither do her fans, crossing the border is completely legal, she didn't break any law.
We should go to each others countries. We should communicate. We should arrange concerts of each other's artists.
Otherwise politics will win, we will end up brainwashed with closed borders North-South Korea / Armenia/Azerbaijan style.
FUCK. IT.
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Are you sure about the fact that Ukraine wouldn't compete, if Russia won it this year?
Are you sure about the fact that Ukraine wouldn't compete, if Russia won it this year?
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I gave my money for the army. I gave my clothes for the refugees. I saw the tortures. I saw so many shit that your head would explode.
Israel is at war for decades. And they won with Netta last year. I will not mourn constantly and nobody will force me to bury my good mood
My country is not a mourning widow at the funerals 24/7. I mourn but I also want to have fun and I want to enjoy the party.
I've had enough of suffering ... I'd been sleeping for 1 hour per day only, for 3 months in 2014! I was waking up in the middle of the night for 2 years! I was afraid of loud noises for 2 years!!! I watched the bombings live! Every f-en day!
I gave my money for the army. I gave my clothes for the refugees. I saw the tortures. I saw so many shit that your head would explode.
Israel is at war for decades. And they won with Netta last year. I will not mourn constantly and nobody will force me to bury my good mood
My country is not a mourning widow at the funerals 24/7. I mourn but I also want to have fun and I want to enjoy the party.
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BC.
He will resign in May but this is the company's position. Even today's statement gave the answer to that.
Besides UABC and STB companies and journalists are under Russian sanctions. Russian government prohibited their products. Russian government prohibited them to enter the country.
It has already been said by the Head of UA
BC. He will resign in May but this is the company's position. Even today's statement gave the answer to that.
Besides UA
BC and STB companies and journalists are under Russian sanctions. Russian government prohibited their products. Russian government prohibited them to enter the country.
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If I was an artist I'd go wherever I had fans and people appreciated my work. You can't punish people (fans) because their government does shitty things. I've got a great sympathy and respect for the Ukrainian people, and despite my knowledge on politics being not the very best, I think I can safely say from what I do know, I'm on their side. You can't though judge a whole nation of people by their government. If MARUV wants to share her music with Russian fans she should be allowed to do it. The same as Russian fans should be able to experience the pleasure of seeing someone they love live in the flesh. I feel the same way about this as I feel about movements that are trying to force people to boycott Israel. No matter your views, you cannot bully people like this. A while ago Lorde, who was ready to share her music with Israeli fans, had to cancel her concerts there after pressures put onto her. If I was an artist and I was faced with such demands (bullying), my middle finger would go right up, not because I don't agree with their politics, but because people are people. We've got one life. Punishing fans of musicians is not the way to go. These are victims in political games too. Not everyone is an enemy. No matter how bad a situation is (and it can so terribly bad with bloodshed and obscene things happening), don't bully the people attempting to make peace with their art. People that do this are rotten. Music is a special thing that brings us together and can heal.
If I was an artist I'd go wherever I had fans and people appreciated my work. You can't punish people (fans) because their government does shitty things. I've got a great sympathy and respect for the Ukrainian people, and despite my knowledge on politics being not the very best, I think I can safely say from what I do know, I'm on their side. You can't though judge a whole nation of people by their government. If MARUV wants to share her music with Russian fans she should be allowed to do it. The same as Russian fans should be able to experience the pleasure of seeing someone they love live in the flesh. I feel the same way about this as I feel about movements that are trying to force people to boycott Israel. No matter your views, you cannot bully people like this. A while ago Lorde, who was ready to share her music with Israeli fans, had to cancel her concerts there after pressures put onto her. If I was an artist and I was faced with such demands (bullying), my middle finger would go right up, not because I don't agree with their politics, but because people are people. We've got one life. Punishing fans of musicians is not the way to go. These are victims in political games too. Not everyone is an enemy. No matter how bad a situation is (and it can so terribly bad with bloodshed and obscene things happening), don't bully the people attempting to make peace with their art. People that do this are rotten. Music is a special thing that brings us together and can heal.
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They have ditched their chances for a good result this year. If MARUV doesn't go nobody should. These political games shouldn't have a place in Eurovision. I feel bad about the Ukranian people because they voted for her. THEY WANTED HER TO GO TO TEL AVIV. But no instead the public broadcaster which is SUPPOSED TO SERVE THE PEOPLE decides that she shouldn't go. I'm not saying that Ukraine should withdraw this year because the people don't deserve that. But anyone who has anything to do with Maruv not going should be ashamed.
They have ditched their chances for a good result this year. If MARUV doesn't go nobody should. These political games shouldn't have a place in Eurovision. I feel bad about the Ukranian people because they voted for her. THEY WANTED HER TO GO TO TEL AVIV. But no instead the public broadcaster which is SUPPOSED TO SERVE THE PEOPLE decides that she shouldn't go. I'm not saying that Ukraine should withdraw this year because the people don't deserve that. But anyone who has anything to do with Maruv not going should be ashamed.
