Ukraine UKRAINE 2019 - not taking part
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GlamSIMorous
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Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song
It scared me that within the next two days we'll get to know whether MARUV will actually compete or not. It frightens me. If she wont go, I am all doooone! And Ukraine can withdraw. And the ESC can go away.
It scared me that within the next two days we'll get to know whether MARUV will actually compete or not. It frightens me. If she wont go, I am all doooone! And Ukraine can withdraw. And the ESC can go away.
I'm very surprised by the 12s but to a certain point I'm also absolutely not surprised haha 
Fierro
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I'm 99% sure MARUV will not be allowed to take part on ESC or she refuses to sign an agreement with UA
BC. Everything leads to that now... I have read comments and opinions from different people and honestly understand both sides. But THIS SHIT SHOULD'VE BEEN DEALT WITH IN CLOSED MODE THEN and BEFORE NF TOOK PLACE! Now we are just becoming clowns and ashame ourselves.
I'm 99% sure MARUV will not be allowed to take part on ESC or she refuses to sign an agreement with UA
BC. Everything leads to that now... I have read comments and opinions from different people and honestly understand both sides. But THIS SHIT SHOULD'VE BEEN DEALT WITH IN CLOSED MODE THEN and BEFORE NF TOOK PLACE! Now we are just becoming clowns and ashame ourselves.
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Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song
I will freak out. I tell you.
I'm 99% sure MARUV will not be allowed to take part on ESC or she refuses to sign an agreement with UA
I will freak out. I tell you.
stephanos13
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If they don't allow Maruv to go to Eurovision, they should withdraw from the contest as well.
If they don't allow Maruv to go to Eurovision, they should withdraw from the contest as well.
GlamSIMorous
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I am super sad that the world works like this. The politics, the the whole drama. I mean, why cant we just focus on music? Eurovision is there to eliminate these borders, but then again I feel instead of reducing them, boundaries are built higher and higher. I am so sad.
I am super sad that the world works like this. The politics, the the whole drama. I mean, why cant we just focus on music? Eurovision is there to eliminate these borders, but then again I feel instead of reducing them, boundaries are built higher and higher. I am so sad.
Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song
Her gigs coincide with Eurovision promo concerts, she will cancel them anyway. The award ceremony coincides with STB meeting.
I'm 99% sure MARUV will not be allowed to take part on ESC or she refuses to sign an agreement with UA
Her gigs coincide with Eurovision promo concerts, she will cancel them anyway. The award ceremony coincides with STB meeting.
Fierro
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I shouldn't probably read VK and escforum then... But anyway - if something bad can happen, it will happen. Politics destroys everything it touches.
Her gigs coincide with Eurovision promo concerts, she will cancel them anyway. The award ceremony coincides with STB meeting.
I shouldn't probably read VK and escforum then... But anyway - if something bad can happen, it will happen. Politics destroys everything it touches.
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Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song
I see that the Kremlin-sponsored Internet trolls are at it again, yet another year, all over the Internet trying to discredit Ukraine and its selection for Eurovision. Those Wiwi guys run, yet again, another anti-Ukrainian article with #fakenews and wrong translations (this is a blog that got notorious for pushing the "poor Yulia Samoylova - evil Ukraine" narrative in 2017-2018 and other dubious stories while constantly promoting Kirkorov's "dream team" work, so they are probably partly sponsored from some Russian source, maybe Kirkorov himself?).
So let's break it down to pieces shall we?
- Ukraine is under occupation by Russia, Crimea is annexed and Donbas is occupied, millions of Ukrainians are refugees in their own country due to this and people are constantly dying. Artists that are entering a national broadcaster selection for ESC to get the honor to represent the country are getting questions about their ties to the occupier when there were such question marks. In the case of Anna Maria, their own mother is holding a leading position in the Kremlin-puppet regime of annexed Crimea and apparently they made some very odd statements just the day before the final so it's just natural they get called out for it. Maybe for countries that aren't at war and not under occupation it's strange, but adding the context it's really not.
- Winners of national selections naturally need to sign contracts to clear their schedules so that they will be ready for ESC, ready to prepare properly and of course manage to take part in the event and side-events. I don't see the drama in this? Why don't we see comments and stories about other national selections that surely have the same type of contracts? Maybe there's a clause about connections to Russia in the Ukrainian one, maybe there's not, frankly do we have any proof of any of that other than from Internet fake stories? But this type of contract in itself is completely normal but yeah, only Ukraine gets under scrutiny for having it... that's odd if you ask me...
I see that the Kremlin-sponsored Internet trolls are at it again, yet another year, all over the Internet trying to discredit Ukraine and its selection for Eurovision. Those Wiwi guys run, yet again, another anti-Ukrainian article with #fakenews and wrong translations (this is a blog that got notorious for pushing the "poor Yulia Samoylova - evil Ukraine" narrative in 2017-2018 and other dubious stories while constantly promoting Kirkorov's "dream team" work, so they are probably partly sponsored from some Russian source, maybe Kirkorov himself?).
So let's break it down to pieces shall we?
- Ukraine is under occupation by Russia, Crimea is annexed and Donbas is occupied, millions of Ukrainians are refugees in their own country due to this and people are constantly dying. Artists that are entering a national broadcaster selection for ESC to get the honor to represent the country are getting questions about their ties to the occupier when there were such question marks. In the case of Anna Maria, their own mother is holding a leading position in the Kremlin-puppet regime of annexed Crimea and apparently they made some very odd statements just the day before the final so it's just natural they get called out for it. Maybe for countries that aren't at war and not under occupation it's strange, but adding the context it's really not.
- Winners of national selections naturally need to sign contracts to clear their schedules so that they will be ready for ESC, ready to prepare properly and of course manage to take part in the event and side-events. I don't see the drama in this? Why don't we see comments and stories about other national selections that surely have the same type of contracts? Maybe there's a clause about connections to Russia in the Ukrainian one, maybe there's not, frankly do we have any proof of any of that other than from Internet fake stories? But this type of contract in itself is completely normal but yeah, only Ukraine gets under scrutiny for having it... that's odd if you ask me...
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Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song
we live in a World full of crazy people.. i am happy my country romania is not alone in this scandalous Eurovision year.. grab popcorn because we will have a lot of drama yet to came
we live in a World full of crazy people.. i am happy my country romania is not alone in this scandalous Eurovision year.. grab popcorn because we will have a lot of drama yet to came
BorisBubbles
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Oh puleaze.
Whoever reps Ukraine at Eurovision has to sign a contract, pinky-promising they have to cancel all their non-ESC gigs to they can focus on the contest. That's what the statement UACB posted refers to.
Here are a couple of facts for you:
UACB confirmed during Vidbir that the winner of Vidbir would become their entrant.
MARUV confirmed after Vidbir that she will be the Ukrainian ESC entrant.
MARUV will sign the contract and go to Tel Aviv. END OF.
Oh puleaze.
Whoever reps Ukraine at Eurovision has to sign a contract, pinky-promising they have to cancel all their non-ESC gigs to they can focus on the contest. That's what the statement UA
CB posted refers to. Here are a couple of facts for you:
UA
CB confirmed during Vidbir that the winner of Vidbir would become their entrant.MARUV confirmed after Vidbir that she will be the Ukrainian ESC entrant.
MARUV will sign the contract and go to Tel Aviv. END OF.
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Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song
This! But certain trolls need to create drama when there is none...
Oh puleaze.
Whoever reps Ukraine at Eurovision has to sign a contract, pinky-promising they have to cancel all their non-ESC gigs to they can focus on the contest. That's what the statement UA
Here are a couple of facts for you:
UA
MARUV confirmed after Vidbir that she will be the Ukrainian ESC entrant.
MARUV will sign the contract and go to Tel Aviv. END OF.
This! But certain trolls need to create drama when there is none...
Geborgenheit
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Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song
Why would Kremlin trolls discredit such an extremely pro-Russian artist as Maruv ? Only Anna Maria were more pro-Russian than her.
Why would Kremlin trolls discredit such an extremely pro-Russian artist as Maruv ? Only Anna Maria were more pro-Russian than her.
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It's not the artist, it's the selection... these trolls are paid to discredit Ukraine everywhere, not just in politics but in all fields to make the country look bad, dysfunctional and generally crazy. They target different demographic groups and ESC reaching so many people every year is a good platform as well to discredit the country. This is clearly to make Ukraine "anti-Russian" for potentially "blocking" acts just because they performed in Russia, it's obviously not against the acts.
It's not the artist, it's the selection... these trolls are paid to discredit Ukraine everywhere, not just in politics but in all fields to make the country look bad, dysfunctional and generally crazy. They target different demographic groups and ESC reaching so many people every year is a good platform as well to discredit the country. This is clearly to make Ukraine "anti-Russian" for potentially "blocking" acts just because they performed in Russia, it's obviously not against the acts.
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Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song
How is she pro-Russian? Because she performs there? lol
Yes her label is Russian but it's not like she went all Ani Lorak or LOBODA lol
How is she pro-Russian? Because she performs there? lol
Yes her label is Russian but it's not like she went all Ani Lorak or LOBODA lol
Fierro
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Today I went to church and prayed to God to stop hatred that surrounds MARUV and our selection.
Today I went to church and prayed to God to stop hatred that surrounds MARUV and our selection.