Ukraine UKRAINE 2019 - not taking part

[Mrm]

Maybe better they accepted Verka, why not?

 

[FilipFromSweden]

GOOD. UABC or whatever their name is don't deserve to take part. I feel sorry on behalf of all Eurovision fans in Ukraine, but this is justice for Maruv.

 

[wtf]

This , except for the "Fuego level success" I think... yes with the performance this could be a hit in ESC... but the song is rather flat imo...

Also, ESC entries struggle to cross-over in general and also Eastern acts almost never cross-over to Western markets where the big cash is so I think she's satisfied with becoming more popular in Russia for now... after all Russia is VERY welcoming lately of Ukrainian acts that choose to make it big there, no surprise really since it's also used of course in the propaganda war against Ukraine and the west "hey look you can make it big here, forget about trying in the west... welcome to Russia your real home, you choose us over Ukraine and yadda yadda yadda"... so for sure her career will get a proper boost in Russia now, I hope it'll all be worth it in the end though... but hey ... it's all about the money really and if she, her label and her management think there won't be a big chance in the west anyways, then Russia is the best shot at some success...

You might be right but then again, Fuego was not half as popular when it was released, it didn't even do anything in the odds until the rehearsals started. People kept on saying the song is flat and boring, nothing special etc. Yet streaming-wise it ended up becoming even bigger than the winning song.
And Maruv herself said she would have come top 5. If she believed her song would do so well, why would she still not accept the offer? Girl obviously just wanted to make a statement and shade the current political state. You can tell how uncomfortable she was when Jamala asks her the question. I'm not saying what she did was wrong but ... after being the public's winner and having a "top 5 song", why do you still say no? It's like she wanted to piss off the delegation.

 

[A-lister]

GOOD. UABC or whatever their name is don't deserve to take part. I feel sorry on behalf of all Eurovision fans in Ukraine, but this is justice for Maruv.

Justice for Maruv? I can't at people still seeing her as innocent when it's clear she is part of this mess and used it for self-publicity... she and her team wanted to breach even EBU agreements, how does that make her a victim?

 

[Carian]

Re: UKRAINE 2019

I am super proud of Ukrainian singers/artists for steping together and saying no to politics in art and ESC. Finally, a group of common people is sending a clear message to politics they had enough. Today I am very proud of Ukrainians.
[MENTION=4544]A-lister[/MENTION]

Please, don't mix vocal opposition to the Ukrainian politicisation of their entries like Jamala's 1944 by me as a sign that I am anti-Ukrainian. Let me clarify one thing for you. Ukrainians are Slavs like me, and for me, they are like distant cousins whom I love dearly and equally like Russians, Slovaks, Serbs, and any other Slavic nation. I know it is hard for you to wrap your head around this idea, but this is a fact. You know how I feel right now? I am sad that Ukraine won't take part in ESC this year, but at the same time very happy because common people/artist/singers said they are sick tired of stupid politicians. Ukraine, see you next year. Luv you, bros!

 

[blein]

I'm so happy that Ukraine withdraw after all this nazi/antirussian drama.
All singers were invited by broadcaster, broadcaster knew that Twins,Yuko,Kazka,Maruv(or all ukrainian singers)have ties with russian musical industries
Kira mazur(semifinalist) also refused to take part in eurovision 2019.

Now i hope Ebu invites Kazakhstan for replacement

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Why did the entire top 3 refuse though? Because of the broadcaster's behaviour?

Because of such a shit contract. They would have had to pay for everything themselves in Israel and could get a heavy fine if they talked to journalists without UABC's acceptance. They could also get fined if they improvised on stage, like doing a split. Lol. They can honestly go f*ck themselves, that's not what Eurovision is about. If an entertainer is in the zone and wants to do a split they should be able to.

 

[A-lister]

You might be right but then again, Fuego was not half as popular when it was released, it didn't even do anything in the odds until the rehearsals started. People kept on saying the song is flat and boring, nothing special etc. Yet streaming-wise it ended up becoming even bigger than the winning song.
And Maruv herself said she would have come top 5. If she believed her song would do so well, why would she still not accept the offer? Girl obviously just wanted to make a statement and shade the current political state. You can tell how uncomfortable she was when Jamala asks her the question. I'm not saying what she did was wrong but ... after being the public's winner and having a "top 5 song", why do you still say no? It's like she wanted to piss off the delegation.

Well, I initially liked "Fuego" and never found it flat so I can't agree really but yeah, it's becoming clear to me that Maruv wanted publicity out of this and also make a political remark herself... wouldn't be totally surprised if she'll be performing in pro-Russian political campaigns now for the upcoming Ukrainian election

 

[A-lister]

Because of such a shit contract. They would have had to pay for everything themselves in Israel and could get a heavy fine if they talked to journalists without UABC's acceptance. They could also get fined if they improvised on stage, like doing a split. Lol. They can honestly go f*ck themselves, that's not what Eurovision is about. If an entertainer is in the zone and wants to do a split they should be able to.

Well, thankfully you're not a lawyer because it's not so simple... also all winners' contracts include clause where the broadcaster has a say in the performance, don't think elsewise... the artist is sent by the broadcaster after all and if they'd end up doing something unpredictable, maybe something against EBU rules, the broadcaster would have to pay a fine...

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Justice for Maruv? I can't at people still seeing her as innocent when it's clear she is part of this mess and used it for self-publicity... she and her team wanted to breach even EBU agreements, how does that make her a victim?

How is it Maruv's fault that UABC accepted her song in the selection when they knew it was connected to Warner Music Russia? They wanted the rights to be dropped, which isn't free and I doubt UABC would've paid for it. Don't know what EBU agreements Maruv breached, you tell me.

Eurovision shouldn't be an atmosphere where you, as an artist, can't speak to whoever you want or about whatever you want or where you have to be severely afraid of doing the wrong thing on stage

 

[A-lister]

Re: UKRAINE 2019

I am super proud of Ukrainian singers/artists for steping together and saying no to politics in art and ESC. Finally, a group of common people is sending a clear message to politics they had enough. Today I am very proud of Ukrainians.

[MENTION=4544]A-lister[/MENTION]

Please, don't mix vocal opposition to the Ukrainian politicisation of their entries like Jamala's 1944 by me as a sign that I am anti-Ukrainian. Let me clarify one thing for you. Ukrainians are Slavs like me, and for me, they are like distant cousins whom I love dearly and equally like Russians, Slovaks, Serbs, and any other Slavic nation. I know it is hard for you to wrap your head around this idea, but this is a fact. You know how I feel right now? I am sad that Ukraine won't take part in ESC this year, but at the same time very happy because common people/artist/singers said they are sick tired of stupid politicians. Ukraine, see you next year. Luv you, bros!

Not sure what you're on about, what did I even answer to you?

And yeah I understand, being partly Slav myself (so don't be so quick to assume you know me), but I don't buy this "Slavic brotherhood" which is used by some forces in politics to legitimize the occupation by some Slavic nation of others... but I won't go deeper into that.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

[MENTION=4544]A-lister[/MENTION] you're honestly the first swede I've ever met who doesn't have a problem with freedom of speech being suppressed

 

[A-lister]

How is it Maruv's fault that UABC accepted her song in the selection when they knew it was connected to Warner Music Russia? They wanted the rights to be dropped, which isn't free and I doubt UABC would've paid for it. Don't know what EBU agreements Maruv breached, you tell me.

Eurovision shouldn't be an atmosphere where you, as an artist, can't speak to whoever you want or about whatever you want or where you have to be severely afraid of doing the wrong thing on stage

I think the problem isn't that she was on a Russian label, like you stated yourself they must probably have known about it, rather the complete lack of co-operation from her and her label's side after she won. Yes, the broadcaster should have the right to the song as EBU will have those rights, and yes in most winners' contracts they are obliged to work with the broadcasters in regards to the performance and schedules and events... this are no strange things at all and when you really think about it's common sense.

EBU has alot of rules about what can and cannot be done on stage, and yes if the act would do something against those rules, the broadcaster would have to pay the fine...

 

[A-lister]

[MENTION=4544]A-lister[/MENTION] you're honestly the first swede I've ever met who doesn't have a problem with freedom of speech being suppressed

See my last response... oh I am all for freedom of speech, but I also understand the legal aspects of these contracts and I know EBU has agreements with broadcasters as well that the broadcasters need to follow through.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

EBU has alot of rules about what can and cannot be done on stage, and yes if the act would do something against those rules, the broadcaster would have to pay the fine...

Maybe if they bring out a Nagarno-Karabach flag or something. I seriously doubt Måns Zelmerlöw would've been in trouble if he missed a camera and did a split on stage. Still waiting for how she breached EBU rules?

How can you defend a contract that is against freedom of speech, especially in a Eurovision context? I seriously doubt EBU makes them sign contracts they can't speak upon free will.

 

[A-lister]

Maybe if they bring out a Nagarno-Karabach flag or something. I seriously doubt Måns Zelmerlöw would've been in trouble if he missed a camera and did a split on stage. Still waiting for how she breached EBU rules?

How can you defend a contract that is against freedom of speech, especially in a Eurovision context? I seriously doubt EBU makes them sign contracts they can't speak upon free will.

If she would do something political on stage, if she would do something overly sexual or some other things that EBU doesn't allow... as for a "split", I think it's more about physical safety and the fact that the broadcaster isn't willing to pay for any potential damage she could do to herself... for example Svitlana Loboda wanted her wheel to be hanging from the ceiling in 2009 but I think even EBU themselves said no due to the risk of physical damages...

If those parts of the contract are true, I am of course not for that... but I am not talking about those parts but more about the standard parts about rights to the entry, agreement on performance etc.

 

[DaFlo]

From potentially my #1 of the season to not taking part within 4 days. Someone make a movie.

Hope they figure out this mess and come back next year.

 

[Peresvet]

aahhhh ENDE # fala Qrcu

I'm so sorry Ukraine, I will not be able to sleep now

Yes , Yes...

God is great and looks at everything.

The one who wants evil to another(Russia) , that same evil must be experienced (Ukraine)

+ Amin +


If Russia accidentally wins, Ukraine will not be 2020 at esc

Maruv will perform sooner or later for Russia, surely never again for Ukraine.

 

[Schlagerman1]

Well maybe this is for the best. Maybe Ukraine needs a year to think it through. It is sad, cause Ukraine always give us something special when they compete in the contest and it will be empty without them.

 

[JohnyKaz]

It's sad really. I feel bad about the Ukranian people since they wanted their country to participate in the contest. But the broadcaster and the goverment should learn their lesson and not do such things next year too. Tel Aviv will feel empty without Ukraine