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I registered and liked Max's song
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Just wanna DA-A-A-ANCE
I registered and liked Max's song
. Just wanna DA-A-A-ANCE
UKRAINE 2012 - Gaitana - Be My Guest
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Btw I would vote for Dance in the final of ESC 2012!!!
What did Loboda do? I mean she was a bit over-sexy before ESC, during ESC and she is still the same now
Btw I would vote for Dance in the final of ESC 2012!!!
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I can also say "It's Canada!" and say something negative after that but I won't do this. Of course nobody takes your holy right to be negative in every page but without going against me or against my country.
Negative promo is still a promo.
As for your opinion about legitimate NF. We had a legitimate NF in 2011. If you like to speculate - cool, that's your own attitude and I'm gonna express my own concerns about it as well, like it or not.
Imo, Max will be selected as a wildcard. To the point when NTU can include him in any case.
If people don't say such stuff I'm not gonna call them like that.
I can also say "It's Canada!" and say something negative after that but I won't do this. Of course nobody takes your holy right to be negative in every page
but without going against me or against my country.Negative promo is still a promo.
As for your opinion about legitimate NF. We had a legitimate NF in 2011. If you like to speculate - cool, that's your own attitude and I'm gonna express my own concerns about it as well, like it or not.
Imo, Max will be selected as a wildcard. To the point when NTU can include him in any case.
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They planned too many things and nothing worked well in the end. Many people voted for Loboda and it didn't help. I'd like to see some nice staging but with Badoev there's a risk that there will be too much show.
She did everything at once which resulted in a messy show. Messy backing vocalists, Roman dancers and UA flags, those weird constructions lol.What did Loboda do? I mean she was a bit over-sexy before ESC, during ESC and she is still the same now
Btw I would vote for Dance in the final of ESC 2012!!!
They planned too many things and nothing worked well in the end. Many people voted for Loboda and it didn't help. I'd like to see some nice staging
but with Badoev there's a risk that there will be too much show.
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Well I have always loved the Ukrainian songs and I wouldn't be surprised if it happens to be in my top 10 even this year, but I don't find it weird that people are thinking a bit extra about what has happened the last years with the national finals in Ukraine. It has been many weird things that has happened over the last few years which for some countries (especially in western ones) may look as scandalous at some points. This is not to criticize Ukraine as a country as whole, or even their songs or even chances, it's just that it is a rare sight to see and that it should be discussed when it comes up. Now I hope that nothing wrong happens and that this year the Ukrainian NF will go smoothly and that no sudden changes or errors occur!
Well I have always loved the Ukrainian songs and I wouldn't be surprised if it happens to be in my top 10 even this year, but I don't find it weird that people are thinking a bit extra about what has happened the last years with the national finals in Ukraine. It has been many weird things that has happened over the last few years which for some countries (especially in western ones) may look as scandalous at some points. This is not to criticize Ukraine as a country as whole, or even their songs or even chances, it's just that it is a rare sight to see and that it should be discussed when it comes up. Now I hope that nothing wrong happens and that this year the Ukrainian NF will go smoothly and that no sudden changes or errors occur!
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Ukrainian NF's are the best, at least they keep us talking.
Seriously though, 2010 was a disaster, 2011 still flawed but my improved so I have no doubt in my mind that 2012 will be flawless.
I'm trying to remember but didn't they change the online voting rules preventing abuse?
Ukrainian NF's are the best, at least they keep us talking
.Seriously though, 2010 was a disaster, 2011 still flawed but my improved so I have no doubt in my mind that 2012 will be flawless.
I'm trying to remember but didn't they change the online voting rules preventing abuse?
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You know they will just abuse it until they get what they want
Ukrainian NF's are the best, at least they keep us talking
Seriously though, 2010 was a disaster, 2011 still flawed but my improved so I have no doubt in my mind that 2012 will be flawless.
I'm trying to remember but didn't they change the online voting rules preventing abuse?
You know they will just abuse it until they get what they want
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1. Max Barskih - 158
2. Eugeniy Vinogradov - 67
3. Lena Shtefan - 27
4. LaFesta - 11
Interesting that the similar thing happened in Spain and 1 candidate was even disqualified (though almost everybody benefited from the fake votes), imo it was more scandalous but here we go.
1. Max Barskih - 158
2. Eugeniy Vinogradov - 67
3. Lena Shtefan - 27
4. LaFesta - 11
I'll vote for my fave entry, if nobody impresses me enough maybe even for himIf Max goes through and I am in the mood to vote, I will vote for him
They didn't get anything in 2011 - all fake votes were annulated. Also I saw everything with my own eyes and I can say that the voting was fair.
There's no online voting this year (except say.tv). + NTU provided 1 vote from 1 phone rule. Imo, they try to please people too much.
Interesting that the similar thing happened in Spain and 1 candidate was even disqualified (though almost everybody benefited from the fake votes), imo it was more scandalous but here we go.
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Like the producer who ensured lots of individual calls were made from different phones and sims. He even admitted doing the same for Mika in May in other countries
1. Max Barskih - 158
2. Eugeniy Vinogradov - 67
3. Lena Shtefan - 27
4. LaFesta - 11
I'll vote for my fave entry, if nobody impresses me enough maybe even for him
They didn't get anything in 2011 - all fake votes were annulated. Also I saw everything with my own eyes and I can say that the voting was fair.
There's no online voting this year (except say.tv). + NTU provided 1 vote from 1 phone rule. Imo, they try to please people too much.
Interesting that the similar thing happened in Spain and 1 candidate was even disqualified (though almost everybody benefited from the fake votes), imo it was more scandalous but here we go.
Like the producer who ensured lots of individual calls were made from different phones and sims. He even admitted doing the same for Mika in May in other countries
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Everything was said in a joking manner, he never admitted anything about May.
and lol @ thinking that it's possible to buy votes in other countries (with 20 votes limit). He's a very talented man then.
they published phone numbers, if someone is so desperate - go to court and find out. The biggest amount of votes per phone wasn't so big actually. It wasn't enough to change the voting.
Everything was said in a joking manner, he never admitted anything about May.
and lol @ thinking that it's possible to buy votes in other countries (with 20 votes limit). He's a very talented man then.
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He didn't say he bought votes he said he got people to vote on mass via various sims. Ask the bloggers that hang out on Escnation seems all pretty common knowledge to them (Andy EscKaz, Luke Escdaily, Keith AKOE)
He didn't say he bought votes he said he got people to vote on mass via various sims. Ask the bloggers that hang out on Escnation seems all pretty common knowledge to them (Andy EscKaz, Luke Escdaily, Keith AKOE)
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With 20 votes limit??? Wow, he mustabe real superman because he would have contacted a lot of people in Europe
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To be honest Malta have done this quite a lot. I think The Maltese embassy and a University in Lithuania admitted every year they are contrected to mass vote from several mobile phones they will gather for the night. Just sad it goes to such lengths. Malta especially should be punished as they clearly swap jury points as well
With 20 votes limit??? Wow, he mustabe real superman because he should have contacted a lot of people in Europe
To be honest Malta have done this quite a lot. I think The Maltese embassy and a University in Lithuania admitted every year they are contrected to mass vote from several mobile phones they will gather for the night. Just sad it goes to such lengths. Malta especially should be punished as they clearly swap jury points as well
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ps. As for bloggers that you've mentioned. Some of them can start posting a true info about our NF and stop fooling people with the wrong NF dates and song titles, and linking to unexisting sources too
ps2. As for Mika's producer. He said that he has a lot of volunteers in their fund (where Mika's also working) and they voted in the NF but I see nothing criminal in that.
As for voting in Europe - it came from desperate fans of Jamala. + as I've said it's physically impossible. Also the German company that checks all votes should be bribed too then
If so then the whole idea of televoting is useless and we should get rid of the voting at all (I wouldn't mind, some fans are totally obsessed with different theories and results in general).
So Lithuania should be punished... wondering what Lithuanian broadcaster has to do with that?
The BBC should be punished for Terry Wogan, for spreading untrue info about Azerbaijan and the EBU - if we start looking at each country then there will be no countries left in ESC.
+ infamous story with Armenian sims, however all of this is not enough
ps. As for bloggers that you've mentioned. Some of them can start posting a true info about our NF and stop fooling people with the wrong NF dates and song titles, and linking to unexisting sources too
ps2. As for Mika's producer. He said that he has a lot of volunteers in their fund (where Mika's also working) and they voted in the NF but I see nothing criminal in that.
As for voting in Europe - it came from desperate fans of Jamala. + as I've said it's physically impossible. Also the German company that checks all votes should be bribed too then
If so then the whole idea of televoting is useless and we should get rid of the voting at all (I wouldn't mind, some fans are totally obsessed with different theories and results in general).
So Lithuania should be punished... wondering what Lithuanian broadcaster has to do with that?
The BBC should be punished for Terry Wogan, for spreading untrue info about Azerbaijan and the EBU - if we start looking at each country then there will be no countries left in ESC.
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Everything I've said about Ukraine has been ESC related and in reference to things that have already come to be in regards to the national selections. I've never insulted Ukraine as a country, nor have I spoken negatively about its culture or its people. In fact, most of my posts aren't really meant to be negative, rather they are intended to be more satirical when I start off with "It's Ukraine." And that's why I usually add in the laughing smiley so there aren't any misconceptions. In terms of you and I, you reap what you sow. We've both been nasty to each other in the past (and even now), it is what it is. But you made this personal by telling people to ignore my posts and by continually labelling me a xenophobe, which is a very serious accusation especially on a forum that has people coming from all walks of life and from different parts of the world so I don't appreciate that.
And I'm still waiting for a legitimate NF in all respects. Last year, the endless semifinals had much better production value than the final itself. It was really messy. I'd rather not have to see acts being disqualified moments after their performance. Such hiccups should be sorted out before a live broadcast happens. And then the results were disputed going as far as a potential 2nd NF. So it was far from smooth.
If people don't say such stuff I'm not gonna call them like that.
I can also say "It's Canada!" and say something negative after that but I won't do this. Of course nobody takes your holy right to be negative in every page
Negative promo is still a promo.
As for your opinion about legitimate NF. We had a legitimate NF in 2011. If you like to speculate - cool, that's your own attitude and I'm gonna express my own concerns about it as well, like it or not.
Imo, Max will be selected as a wildcard. To the point when NTU can include him in any case.
Everything I've said about Ukraine has been ESC related and in reference to things that have already come to be in regards to the national selections. I've never insulted Ukraine as a country, nor have I spoken negatively about its culture or its people. In fact, most of my posts aren't really meant to be negative, rather they are intended to be more satirical when I start off with "It's Ukraine." And that's why I usually add in the laughing smiley so there aren't any misconceptions. In terms of you and I, you reap what you sow. We've both been nasty to each other in the past (and even now), it is what it is. But you made this personal by telling people to ignore my posts and by continually labelling me a xenophobe, which is a very serious accusation especially on a forum that has people coming from all walks of life and from different parts of the world so I don't appreciate that.
And I'm still waiting for a legitimate NF in all respects. Last year, the endless semifinals had much better production value than the final itself. It was really messy. I'd rather not have to see acts being disqualified moments after their performance. Such hiccups should be sorted out before a live broadcast happens. And then the results were disputed going as far as a potential 2nd NF. So it was far from smooth.
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And as for us being nasty I still think it's unneccessary as we have a lot of things in common actually.
I agree that the final was more messy than the semis. Most of the fuss came after announcing the results but the production was horrible :/
As for disqualification - those entrants had a rigth to change their performance/playback until their performance. They've been told to do that @the rehearsals, they didn't do it. They were given a chance and they knew perfectly about it. In fact it looks like it's been planned by both - NTU and those performers.
1 person who was disqualified then is in this year's final btw.
The results will always be disputed because it's started by ESC fans and performers who lost.
It doesn't really sound no funny nor satirical. It's our broadcaster, televoting, entries but not country, the whole country is not responsible for NF production/televoting etc, the whole country (including UA users here) doesn't suck because of that. You can act defensive and jump at my throat, accuse me in all deadly sins, go personal - I don't appreciate it and I never will.
And as for us being nasty I still think it's unneccessary as we have a lot of things in common actually.
I agree that the final was more messy than the semis. Most of the fuss came after announcing the results but the production was horrible :/
As for disqualification - those entrants had a rigth to change their performance/playback until their performance. They've been told to do that @the rehearsals, they didn't do it. They were given a chance and they knew perfectly about it. In fact it looks like it's been planned by both - NTU and those performers.
1 person who was disqualified then is in this year's final btw.
The results will always be disputed because it's started by ESC fans and performers who lost.
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Like I said, I've never attacked Ukraine as a country. I've criticized songs/singers, the broadcaster, and the national selection, so I don't understand your point of view. I don't really see how a comment like "It's Ukraine, they can just change their song later," is offensive to a whole country. Alyosha changed her song and so did Tina Karol to a certain extent. It happened, it's not like I'm making this stuff up. In 2010 there were 2 NFs and I think I recently made a joke about that as well. Last year I liked many songs and had many compliments but when I voiced my criticisms you called me a xenophobe or a Ukrainian hater. Those are my opinions, I have them in all of the topics and they aren't prejudiced against any country. You started making this personal, I didn't say anything about you. I'm just asking you to stop calling me a xenophobe because that is offensive.
The results were disputed by that jury woman last year though, were they not? She was the main driving force behind the 2nd NF even if it didn't happen. And although it was perfectly in line with the rules, it just looks bad on paper when an act wins a televote with a substantially less amount of unique televotes than the other acts. Hopefully they make a professional show and sort out the kinks from previous years so there isn't drama.
Like I said, I've never attacked Ukraine as a country. I've criticized songs/singers, the broadcaster, and the national selection, so I don't understand your point of view. I don't really see how a comment like "It's Ukraine, they can just change their song later," is offensive to a whole country. Alyosha changed her song and so did Tina Karol to a certain extent. It happened, it's not like I'm making this stuff up. In 2010 there were 2 NFs and I think I recently made a joke about that as well. Last year I liked many songs and had many compliments but when I voiced my criticisms you called me a xenophobe or a Ukrainian hater. Those are my opinions, I have them in all of the topics and they aren't prejudiced against any country. You started making this personal, I didn't say anything about you. I'm just asking you to stop calling me a xenophobe because that is offensive.
The results were disputed by that jury woman last year though, were they not? She was the main driving force behind the 2nd NF even if it didn't happen. And although it was perfectly in line with the rules, it just looks bad on paper when an act wins a televote with a substantially less amount of unique televotes than the other acts. Hopefully they make a professional show and sort out the kinks from previous years so there isn't drama.
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and here it goes like every year...
aren't you guys a bit tired of talking about it over and over again? It was last year, it's in the past, we have a new selection this year. Almost every country has some faults in the system of voting and selection, but no one seems to be so bothered with them as with Ukraine
and here it goes like every year...
aren't you guys a bit tired of talking about it over and over again? It was last year, it's in the past, we have a new selection this year. Almost every country has some faults in the system of voting and selection, but no one seems to be so bothered with them as with Ukraine
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I'll stop if you stop generalizing. Even though you know what I really think about you, but what you said sounded like that.
You say the name of a country and "don't see" how it's offensive - gr8, way to go )))
Stop this drama and there will be no drama.
Tina Karol changed just the lyrics, the song's structure stayed the same. But of course even that is a crime
Agree with every word. Imo, it will never stop so we have to take it "easier"
Of course nothing, I and other UA members simply suck because we're Ukrainians, it's Ukraine, c'mon!
I'll stop if you stop generalizing. Even though you know what I really think about you, but what you said sounded like that. You say the name of a country and "don't see" how it's offensive - gr8, way to go )))
Stop this drama and there will be no drama.
Tina Karol changed just the lyrics, the song's structure stayed the same. But of course even that is a crime
Because "it's Ukraine", Yul'and here it goes like every year...
aren't you guys a bit tired of talking about it over and over again? It was last year, it's in the past, we have a new selection this year. Almost every country has some faults in the system of voting and selection, but no one seems to be so bothered with them as with Ukraine
Agree with every word. Imo, it will never stop so we have to take it "easier"
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