The JURY Recepy for Eurovision success ... good or bad?

[Celia]

I don't think 100% televoting gave us "awful results," all in all televoters have proven to be far more open-minded and in-touch than juries have. Don't even get me started on the juries HATE for everything exploring European national diversity...

If for European diversity you're thinking of something like 2010 then I agree (and I said on the previous page what I think would be good regarding this matter). But 2008 2007 2009 or even 2008 (16th) above Pastora's 18th place are really awful results and far from being "in-touch". But tastes are tastes and we won't agree I guess

You mean flooded with great shows and acts actually putting some effort to entertain us? Oh how AWFUL that would be that not everyone will show up lazy and bored like Anouk did and that we'd get a more balance between uptempo and ballads/midtempo again, and not like now 70% of the latter

We have different views on "entertaining" then. I actually look forward to the song itself (and you mean singers who don't jump around don't put some effort on it?) A nice/fun/folk/whatever staging is always welcome, but cheap songs with circuses as those we've had in mid 2000's well yeah, that'd be awful!
This year I liked performance but I liked a lot as well! so I'm definitely not a sucker for just boring cliché acts.

 

[Impressive]

But 2008 2007 2009 or even 2008 (16th) above Pastora's 18th place are really awful results and far from being "in-touch".

I love three of them, unlike I think Pastora's performance very boring. But unlike me you love her song unlike that three songs. So, there is nothing to discuss about that, I guess. Like you said, tastes.

 

[CC92]

2007 and 2008 were relatively contemporary entries, yes. Maybe they did not fit your tastes, fair enough, but there is nothing fishy or wrong with such ending up high.
And what exactly was 'in-touch' about 2012?

 

[Jopi]

Juries have soo much power,even more IMO than public.And that is ridiculous!
Yes,I'm soo thankful to them for pushing amazing songs like Italy 2011,Spain 2012,Estonia 2012.. i don't even remember who else.. But I HATE THAT THEY ARE PUSHING SOME KITCHY ballads like Russia over a song in national language ex. Iceland both this year.
Maybe voting sistem should change into public-juries 70%-30%, bc televoting give us better results with most of the songs,and that 30% could(or should) benefit some great powerful ballads in their own language. Or in semis,7 countris in the final by televoting and jury 'saves' 3 more.

 

[Impressive]

Juries have soo much power,even more IMO than public.And that is ridiculous!
Yes,I'm soo thankful to them for pushing amazing songs like Italy 2011,Spain 2012,Estonia 2012.. i don't even remember who else.. But I HATE THAT THEY ARE PUSHING SOME KITCHY ballads like Russia over a song in national language ex. Iceland both this year.
Maybe voting sistem should change into public-juries 70%-30%, bc televoting give us better results with most of the songs,and that 30% could(or should) benefit some great powerful ballads in their own language. Or in semis,7 countris in the final by televoting and jury 'saves' 3 more.

calculating 70% and 30% is harder than 50/50 so EBU is cool with that.

 

[Celia]

2007 and 2008 were relatively contemporary entries, yes. Maybe they did not fit your tastes, fair enough, but there is nothing fishy or wrong with such ending up high.
And what exactly was 'in-touch' about 2012?

2012 wasn't in touch but is a good ballad (at least for me) and the public liking better 2008 really pisses me off, because Pastora is miles away from Chikilicuatre in terms of quality.
2008 might be a little bit "contemporary" but 2007 wasn´t. I'd never see it otherwise

 

[cegs5]

Juries have soo much power,even more IMO than public.And that is ridiculous!
Yes,I'm soo thankful to them for pushing amazing songs like Italy 2011,Spain 2012,Estonia 2012.. i don't even remember who else.. But I HATE THAT THEY ARE PUSHING SOME KITCHY ballads like Russia over a song in national language ex. Iceland both this year.
Maybe voting sistem should change into public-juries 70%-30%, bc televoting give us better results with most of the songs,and that 30% could(or should) benefit some great powerful ballads in their own language. Or in semis,7 countris in the final by televoting and jury 'saves' 3 more.

If 50/50 is very difficult to understand for some people, can you imagine 70/30 ?
I agree that jury has a lots of power, but that's the idea to have juries. I'm fine with them. I remember the previous years of 2009 people screaming for a jury because televoting was screwing up the contest. People can complain about the trends of juries, but we can do the same about the televoting, pushing to the bottom amazing songs and mostly from the same countries.

So, I'm fine with the 50/50 system.

 

[CC92]

2007 and 2008 were relatively contemporary entries, yes. Maybe they did not fit your tastes, fair enough, but there is nothing fishy or wrong with such ending up high.
And what exactly was 'in-touch' about 2012?

2012 wasn't in touch but is a good ballad (at least for me) and the public liking better 2008 really pisses me off, because Pastora is miles away from Chikilicuatre in terms of quality.
2008 might be a little bit "contemporary" but 2007 wasn´t. I'd never see it otherwise

Pastora yes, her G:son song, however, was a clichéd overdone female power ballad, a typical gay magnet but hardly something which has broader appeal. Chikilicuatre actually had the better song in its genre, he just dressed it as a joke act.

Disagree. Both were modern by ESC standards.

 

[AdelAdel]

If there weren't any juries, we would still have entries like Ukraine 2007 coming 2nd, etc. This year there was Montenegro which IMO had a "composition" with no artistic value whatsoever. It was the juries who didn't allow this silly thing to qualify, otherwise it would have probably been in top 10 in the final :?

And A-lister... I have a reason to believe that you support non-English songs just because they are not English... talking about being biased :?

 

[Mozz]

Calculating 70-30 instead of 50-50 televote/jury is not hard at all. It's done my computers.

Or 65-35 televote/jury would also be fine for me. I hope the EBU will give this a try in the future. The situation as it was this year is definitely not ideal.

 

[SpZ]

This year there was Montenegro which IMO had a "composition" with no artistic value whatsoever. It was the juries who didn't allow this silly thing to qualify, otherwise it would have probably been in top 10 in the final

That song had more artistic value than most of the current top 10 combined. It is not their fault that you look at things from a really kitschy perspective.

 

[Celia]

Ok, it pisses you off when people have different taste than yours. I understand this, i guess we all here get a little touchy when disagreeing with others about songs or when the results don't go according to our wish. But it's not a valid argument for anything. To support a certain set of rules just because it favors your own taste is very selfish. This show is meant to entertain the entire European audience.

You say that like if I was trying to impose my views or something :? you can like a song or not but I believe there's no points in discusing Pastora is a much better artist than Rodolfo. Mostly because she's been singing her whole life and received many awards here while he was an actor playing a joke act.

And I don't see why ESC isn't entertaining anymore. isn't it the same thing you're doing? you're getting bored now because of the juries and want 100% televote back. I could also say that's selfish because many people are glad joke acts are almost over.

 

[AdelAdel]

Your brain has no artistic value whatsoever.

So your only response to others' opinion is to insult... You pretend to have be oh-so uber-intelligent, but your childish responses make me wonder if you possess any intelligence at all.

 

[AdelAdel]

That song had more artistic value than most of the current top 10 combined. It is not their fault that you look at things from a really kitschy perspective.

Did you read "IMO"?

What you just said is also your opinion, it's not a universal fact.

 

[dogmeat]

You say that like if I was trying to impose my views or something :? you can like a song or not but I believe there's no points in discusing Pastora is a much better artist than Rodolfo. Mostly because she's been singing her whole life and received many awards here while he was an actor playing a joke act.

No no no, i did not mean that you were imposing your views or anything. Well, i see it didn't sound pretty the way i said it. I meant it's natural to feel bitter over results and it's alright, yet it's not an argument in this discussion.
Anyway, there indeed is no point in discussing who's better artist, simply because we won't reach a consensus by any means. Singing experience isn't the sole factor that makes an entry good. There's dozens of different factors that make a song enjoyable and very few of them can be objectively measured. At the end of the day it all comes down to what is enjoyed more. And i enjoyed 08 more than 12. So did many people who voted for Rodolfo that night.

And I don't see why ESC isn't entertaining anymore. isn't it the same thing you're doing? you're getting bored now because of the juries and want 100% televote back. I could also say that's selfish because many people are glad joke acts are almost over.

It's not about me and my taste. I want the taste and needs of the entire European public to be respected. And those are best reflected by the televoting.

Did you read "IMO"?

What you just said is also your opinion, it's not a universal fact.

And how is your opinion relevant to the issue?

 

[AdelAdel]

And how is your opinion relevant to the issue?

Um... hellooooo?

The discussion is about whether the jury system is "good or bad" as noted in the title and in my opinion it is good because of the reasons I explained. The juries help out specific types of songs which they regard as of higher quality, and I happen to agree with most of the juries' decisions.

 

[dogmeat]

Um... hellooooo?

The discussion is about whether the jury system is "good or bad" as noted in the title and in my opinion it is good because of the reasons I explained. The juries help out specific types of songs which they regard as of higher quality, and I happen to agree with most of the juries' decisions.

Read what you wrote again.
Then write a 1000 words essay on why your posts tend to make no logical sense.
When you're done, let me check it and if it's good, i promise to start to treat you seriously.

 

[AdelAdel]

Read what you wrote again.
Then write a 1000 words essay on why your posts tend to make no logical sense.
When you're done, let me check it and if it's good, i promise to start to treat you seriously.

Unfortunately for you, you're the only one who thinks this.

Did someone else not understand what I wrote?

 

[Nikkita]

NO MORE JURIES.
They block the original songs like Igranka and they don't help to the neighbour votes.

 

[Fluke]

What exactly WAS the formula for combining the jury and televote points, anyway? And how was it so different from previous years?