Sweden SWEDEN 2024 - Marcus & Martinus - Unforgettable

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[AndroZeus]

It won't be a big deal since they spread their front runners pretty evenly anyway.

Are they shortening the shows? Six songs for a 90min show. Considering how boring the semis got this year...

The semi I watched was pretty fun, but maybe that's because I was zapping between it and the Danish NF, which was trash.

 

[Realest]

 

[njdevils94]

It won't be a big deal since they spread their front runners pretty evenly anyway.

Are they shortening the shows? Six songs for a 90min show. Considering how boring the semis got this year...

The 5th semifinal show looks to be 2 hours instead of an hour and a half like the other non-final shows. An extra half hour to decide the wild cards.

 

[MopManMoss]

Given NQ is off the table it is time to draft Bagge

 

[Mainshow]

It's never going to happen but for once, I want to NOT SEND A POP SONG to Eurovision.

You've already won, you are already pre-qualified.
Give me some Swedish rock/metal, folk or let some sami ppl compete.

Thank you

 

[Scania]

It's never going to happen but for once, I want to NOT SEND A POP SONG to Eurovision.

You've already won, you are already pre-qualified.
Give me some Swedish rock/metal, folk or let some sami ppl compete.

Thank you

Couldn't agree more. Unfortunately the Swedes who vote in the NF are mostly pop-loving kids. And the adults who vote are so insecure about how Europe would react to a folk song for example, always saying things like: "How could they understand the song if it's not in English?" And the people who would vote for a metal or folk song mostly despise Eurovision just because of the reason that Sweden have sent bubble-gum braindead pop since like 2001.

Well... If any other country sends a well-written and emotional song in their native language, Swedes usually love it. But unfortunately our Eurovision fans (and the production team from SVT) are so insecure that we would need a miracle to change this.

Since Roger Pontare in 2000 and One More Time in 1996 only Jon Henrik Fjällgren has been able to really challenge the status quo. Unfortunately he competed the same year as Måns, otherwise we might have had more varied competitors the last few years.

 

[Mainshow]

Couldn't agree more. Unfortunately the Swedes who vote in the NF are mostly pop-loving kids. And the adults who vote are so insecure about how Europe would react to a folk song for example, always saying things like: "How could they understand the song if it's not in English?" And the people who would vote for a metal or folk song mostly despise Eurovision just because of the reason that Sweden have sent bubble-gum braindead pop since like 2001.

Well... If any other country sends a well-written and emotional song in their native language, Swedes usually love it. But unfortunately our Eurovision fans (and the production team from SVT) are so insecure that we would need a miracle to change this.

Since Roger Pontare in 2000 and One More Time in 1996 only Jon Henrik Fjällgren has been able to really challenge the status quo. Unfortunately he competed the same year as Måns, otherwise we might have had more varied competitors the last few years.

I fully agree with you and since Melodifestivalen is so popular amongst the general public and those "kids", I don't think that there will be a change any time soon. The "professional" juries would prevent genuinely interesting and folk entries from performing well as well (look at how many points they threw on the eptiome of generic pop that was "Royals" this year!!!).

Don't get me wrong - Eurovision entries from Sweden are usually top-notch and well-crafted pop songs accompanied by stellar performances but after seeing so many formulaic entries (which performed well to be fair), I would love something different for a change.

 

[A-lister]

It’s interesting how the Swedish prime time in the European charts is basically now 25 years in the past (Rosette, Dr. Alban, Europe, Army of Lovers, Ace of Base) and they somehow started to excel in Eurovision with far less impact on the charts though.

Swedish producers and composers saw bigger cash in producing/composing for American (+British + Canadian acts big in the USA and globally) than sticking to Swedish names and the European market alone (Roxette and Ace of Base were also big in the US though). It's not just Swedish acts that struggle, American labels have basically eaten up Europe. It's sad really but there's less and less European acts crossing over since 00's and onwards, but remember that Swedes were still behind some of the biggest hits (Britney, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, The Weeknd etc. etc.). I wouldn't completely dismiss Swedish acts such as Swedish House Mafia and Avicii either though, for sure bigger than Army of Lovers and probably Dr Alban too, and Europe was basically a one-hit-wonder.

I also think Waterloo is ABBA’s worst song and very overrated by the fans because they became world famous later on.

Fact, but it doesn't change that it's the biggest success story coming out of Eurovision which ultimately made "Waterloo" a Eurovision classic.

 

[Fluke]

Dina Ögon would be perfekt for a host entry...

Or Sara Parkman:

 

[Franzilein]

It's sad really but there's less and less European acts crossing over since 00's and onwards, but remember that Swedes were still behind some of the biggest hits (Britney, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, The Weeknd etc. etc.). I wouldn't completely dismiss Swedish acts such as Swedish House Mafia and Avicii either though, for sure bigger than Army of Lovers and probably Dr Alban too, and Europe was basically a one-hit-wonder.

Scratch the "were", Swedish songwriters are everywhere. More often as co-producers, but still, the names are credited. My favourite radio track in my country last/this year was also partly produced by a Swede (Joacim Persson/Decco).

Also don't forget Zara Larsson while you're at it. Or genre-giants like Sabaton. I am surely team "I often don't get Sweden's high positions at the ESC", but I will never question their impact in the music industry which is far from past prime time as Ezio claims

 

[Franzilein]

Zara Larsson isn't really famous. She might have had one hit.

Interesting alternate universe you live in.

 

[Franzilein]

Songs are very old. Call me old as well, but she had ONE top 5 hit with Lush Life and a Eurosoccer hit in 2016 with David Guetta. Streaming doesn't equate commercial success. It only gets you 0,003. I dont know any of her songs, not even Lush Life.

The Swedes were in their prime in the 90s. You werent probably born yet but dont lecture me with a One hit wonder from 8 years ago.

Rednex, Roxette, Ace of Base, Dr. Alban had a dozen number ones combined in a few years. They might not have a billion streams but multiple gold, platinums and lots of revenues.

But if it's any consolation, Austria sucks at International music market also. We're way past our prime.

So you are just old and blinded by nostalgia. Rednex had 4 hits. 3 in 94/95 and that one outliner in Spirit of the Hawk in 00. Zara's prime was in 15-17 (similar to the mentioned Avicii and SHM by A-Lister to whom I responded – so Sweden's "prime" had basically another surge in the 10's) and had 7 songs with over 1 million sales, 3 reaching 6 million. And somehow this isn't even comparable to Rednex to you? Get real – and with the times, physical copies aren't the most important market anymore. Spotify is only one platform out of many and already there the numbers are huge. Add YouTube Music, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Deezer, etc...

 

[Franzilein]

Rednex, Roxette, Ace of Base, Dr. Alban had a dozen number ones combined in a few years. They might not have a billion streams but multiple gold, platinums and lots of revenues.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zara_Larsson/Auszeichnungen_für_Musikverkäufe
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_House_Mafia/Diskografie
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avicii/Diskografie

Yawn. SHM also did a break and had a, uhm, "small" side project called Axwell Λ Ingrosso which had this little hit here.

Yes, indeed nothing compares to the roaring 90's. Always a blessing talking to people who value feelings over facts.

 

[Paco Roca]

I would like to listen singing in Swedish and learn more about a culture I know nothing about. I think music should always reveal an identity. If I were to assess Sweden or the Swedes today through their music scene, I would feel like I was in the USA, Canada or the UK. But my thinking is a little less extreme and more articulate. Pop in Sweden is now a (more aseptic) tradition like Flamenco in Andalusia, Ballads in Italy and Fado in Portugal. Why should they change what has become the tradition, that they are good and successful just to make us happy? In the end, Sweden faces Eurovision with only two purposes: they are not interested in dreaming or reflecting with their music but in promoting their Pop (which leads them to have international collaborations and therefore to work/money) and to win the Eurovision Song Contest (lived with fervor as a World Cup). Maybe I am the one who has little knowledge of Swedish music but after ABBA (who are the standard bearers) the iconic singers can be counted on the tips of our fingers. ABBA will be deservedly honored in the Eurovision 2024 edition. In 50 years will anyone remember today's artists? Will he pay tribute to Loreen? This is my thought. Shareable or not.

 

[Ekholmia]

When you see headline news today in Swedish media about Metalfestivalen and you instantly think it's about Melodifestivalen. It couldn't be more wrong.

 

[A-lister]

When you see headline news today in Swedish media about Metalfestivalen and you instantly think it's about Melodifestivalen. It couldn't be more wrong.

What the heck is "Metalfestivalen" anyways? Is it about Metal rock or is it literally about the material... well Metal? (*too lazy to Google it)

 

[A-lister]

Also Melfest shows the decline of Swedish music industry. It gets more boring every year and the best entry this year came from Norway. MF prime was between 2015 and 2017 although they always chose the wrong song. Now they have 27 fillers for a coronation event.

Lol, Melodifestivalen has very little to do with how the Swedish music scene actually looks like...

And you purposely seem to miss that music industry also includes songwriters and producers (which I mentioned), and Sweden is still a force to be reckon with here...

Come back when Austria (a country of similar size as Sweden) has even a little portion of the success Sweden had and still has globally in music and entertainment industry... At least you have yoddling and big classical composers (and now we would go back some 100 years) so it's not all bad I guess...

 

[Realest]

335 Points in Average the last 7 Years. I wish sent Eric Saade in 2021.

 

[0scar]

Just rediscovered Alice's Running With Lions from Melodifestivalen 2017, deserved a better fate

 

[HarryUK]

Just had a thought... next year would be the perfect time for Alcazar to return and win Melfest. Giving us PROPER eurodance fans the representation we deserve - with there being no pressure to win or qualify, plus the use of pre recorded backing vocals can always aide...

I'm for sure dreaming here, but I'll make the stars align lol