Sweden SWEDEN 2023 - Loreen - Tattoo

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[TB98]

I would be shocked if Theoz and Kiana didn't qualify. I would like to see Melanie Wehbe and Tennessee Tears qualify but that probably won't happen. I think the other two spots will be between Nordman, Mariette and Crone (I think?).

 

[ollibox]

The compared part literally sounds like a coverversion. The question would be - how much of the rest ist that similar. If that's the only part - not much will happen.
For german speakers (and probably there's also a french version somewhere on the french ARTE-Website), there is a pretty interesting documentary on this phenomena on ARTE. Especially interesting is the part about interpolation as a tool for songwriting. The one who explains it is Youtuber Luxxury. who really knows what he's talking about.

Well, really eye-opening information, thanks!
Ofc, it has been obvious to me that many pop songs use samples of the hits from the past, but that some of them are used "by accident" and not discussed with the original performers... I didn't think this was possible in modern western world.
And sorry for going off-topic btw...

 

[ollibox]

I'd predict Kiana, Mariette, Nordman and Theoz go to the final.
Ofc, hoping for Victor Crone, but that's just because I'm Estonian His song is unfortunately quite meh.

 

[alca]

I think Theoz, Nordman and Kiana will go through. The last spot is up for grabs though.

This week I will go for the "ha alla fel i en tippning" trophy in the app I need to unlock it. lol

 

[FilipFromSweden]

The semi-final concept is so boring nowadays, I won't even watch it on Saturday. I'd say it was exciting between 2007-2013 when it was more difficult to qualify and the quality was a bit higher (I'd even say the 2011 semi-final had way better songs than the 8 finalists). As of right now, I think the semi-final should just be scrapped, have Melfest be 5 shows and make each heat have 3 finalists.

This week I will go for the "ha alla fel i en tippning" trophy in the app I need to unlock it. lol

I've been pissed I haven't been able to get the trophy for being right on all results for one night, but I didn't know that trophy existed. Now I want that one more

As for the qualifiers, I doubt Mariette will make it as she barely even made it to the semi-final. I'm predicting Theoz, Kiana, Nordman and the hillbilly car guys

 

[Ezio]

I'd predict Kiana, Mariette, Nordman and Theoz go to the final.
Ofc, hoping for Victor Crone, but that's just because I'm Estonian His song is unfortunately quite meh.

Fun fact. When I think of Tattoo, I think of Mariette. A slightly underwhelming but decent enough song.

If Loreen and Mariette would switch their songs, Loreen would still be the huge favourite with her name recognition and the stage budget, and Mariette the hopeless candidate. When I watched the first 5 seconds of Mariette's song, I knew it's over for her, with her derivative body-bending stage show.

 

[alca]

I've been pissed I haven't been able to get the trophy for being right on all results for one night, but I didn't know that trophy existed. Now I want that one more

Oh I got the 7/7 on heat 4! Finally! I've been trying to get it since the app was created haha.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Oh I got the 7/7 on heat 4! Finally! I've been trying to get it since the app was created haha.

I once got all rights on Andra Chansen, it counts

 

[DanielLuis]

Fun fact. When I think of Tattoo, I think of Mariette. A slightly underwhelming but decent enough song.

If Loreen and Mariette would switch their songs, Loreen would still be the huge favourite with her name recognition and the stage budget, and Mariette the hopeless candidate. When I watched the first 5 seconds of Mariette's song, I knew it's over for her, with her derivative body-bending stage show.

Even we keep pretending and feeding your fantasy that "Tattoo" is as bland of a song as "One day", the difference isn't just the staging and the budget for the performance. It's really the presence and charisma of Loreen versus the charisma of Mariette. They're just on different leagues really.

 

[midnightsun]

Even we keep pretending and feeding your fantasy that "Tattoo" is as bland of a song as "One day", the difference isn't just the staging and the budget for the performance. It's really the presence and charisma of Loreen versus the charisma of Mariette. They're just on different leagues really.

Sorry, but I really can’t with all that "Holy Loreen" stuff. Loreen didn’t invent the staging, it was tailored to her, she didn’t write the song in first place, in fact she got it when there was already the base frame and even then she was reluctant at first.
All Loreen does is dancing, singing and doing stuff that is made for her and told her. Originality = zero. So how is this any better than Mariette's staging? Hers is basic too (but at least she has a feel good song).
To say "Loreen us out of someone‘s league“ is ridiculous. I get that many like the song but Loreen is not the holy saint .

 

[MopManMoss]

All Loreen does is dancing, singing and doing stuff that is made for her and told her. Originality = zero. So how is this any better than Mariette's staging? Hers is basic too (but at least she has a feel good song).

If this is genuinely your criteria for eurovision artists 90% of the have "zero originality" too

Im not overly in love with Tattoo but saying all she does is dancing and singing that others tell her to do is just plain stupid, she clearly is deeply involved with song development and most importantly her performance, it has been evident for well over a decade now that she is borderline obsessed with delivering not a song but a performance, a true extension of herself in the form of art.

I think Tattoo leans a bit towards the basic side as a song but as a performance it is truly something to be seen and your attempt to diminish her artistry come off as bitter rather than decent analysis of her or her discography

 

[midnightsun]

Why on earth should I be bitter only because I dare to criticize the holy queen?
I just find it very contemptuous so many here degrading the other artists!

 

[midnightsun]

saying all she does is dancing and singing that others tell her to do is just plain stupid, she clearly is deeply involved with song development

"While Loreen is named as one of the songwriters of this track, she didn’t come into the picture until later, and the song was already an “embryo” when ‘Tattoo’ landed in her inbox.

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That song was created by a list of Melodifestivalen composers of the highest order. Peter Boström has 24 entries to his name of which six placed on the podium, including Loreen’s Eurovision winner ‘Euphoria’. That song was written together with Thomas G:Son, the new Melodifestivalen Hall of Fame member with 69 Melodifestivalen songs behind him including three winners. These veterans worked together on the track with the latest crop of songwriting talent. Jimmy Jansson is one and he broke the record for most entries in one Melodifestiavalen season in 2020 and Jimmy “Joker” Thörnfeldt who has had his hand in 21 competition entries the last three years after previously working internationally with Jennifer Lopez and One direction amongst others."

Everything You Need To Know About 'Tattoo' By Loreen

2012 Eurovision winner Loreen is back at Melodifestivalen with argaubly the most anticipated song of the Eurovision season. But what can one expect from Loreen's performance, song and staging? Let us explain.

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If you call that deeply involved… ok.

G:son is the Swedish Kirkorov. He produces mainstream. Generic, some may say.

The whole Euphoria choreography was from Ambra Succi.
You can say, Loreen is good at performing what people tell her, I don’t deny this, she can move her body well, can dance well, but that’s it.

 

[DanielLuis]

Sorry, but I really can’t with all that "Holy Loreen" stuff. Loreen didn’t invent the staging, it was tailored to her, she didn’t write the song in first place, in fact she got it when there was already the base frame and even then she was reluctant at first.
All Loreen does is dancing, singing and doing stuff that is made for her and told her. Originality = zero. So how is this any better than Mariette's staging? Hers is basic too (but at least she has a feel good song).
To say "Loreen us out of someone‘s league“ is ridiculous. I get that many like the song but Loreen is not the holy saint .

Where in my post did I say that she invented her staging or wrote the song? I'm literally just talking about her stage presence.

 

[Rasmus0714]

If this is genuinely your criteria for eurovision artists 90% of the have "zero originality" too

Im not overly in love with Tattoo but saying all she does is dancing and singing that others tell her to do is just plain stupid, she clearly is deeply involved with song development and most importantly her performance, it has been evident for well over a decade now that she is borderline obsessed with delivering not a song but a performance, a true extension of herself in the form of art.

I think Tattoo leans a bit towards the basic side as a song but as a performance it is truly something to be seen and your attempt to diminish her artistry come off as bitter rather than decent analysis of her or her discography

Tattoo is her worst song ever, the staging looks cheap and dated. The only reason she stands out is because Melfest is on the way to become the next ‎Dansk Melodi Grand Prix or Una voce per San Marino semi-final.

 

[midnightsun]

I'm literally just talking about her stage presence.

And you literally wrote her is a different league. That’s the only thing that upset me.
It’s disrespectful towards the other artists.
You can hype Loreen as much as you want, fine with me, but some comments here (not only yours) suggest she is so above all others. And I genuinely want to know what her makes her so special because I don’t see it. She is very flexible, able to move her body, she moves gracefully, she is able to sing and perform at the same time. Kudos for that, I admit she does that well. She can perform. But so do others. And don’t act as if she invented her movements all herself or the song. She can sell that persona very well. But she isn’t the one you’re glorifying.
In fact she‘s just the one executing the script. And her voice is good, for sure, but so are others in the contest.

Nevermind, I won’t connecting on Loreen any more. I think my opinion is clear.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

So how is this any better than Mariette's staging?

lmfao

 

[FilipFromSweden]

We’re just gonna have to get used to Sweden haters coming in here once in a while and have a meltdown over the fact that Loreen might win again.

Also, a small example of Loreen’s involvement in making the songs: the sirens in Euphoria

 

[theditz83]

Also, a small example of Loreen’s involvement in making the songs: the sirens in Euphoria

You just reminded me of the time I sung Euphoria in a karaoke night on a Mediterranean cruise I was on, and the "foghorn"-esque siren at the start of the track made a poor old lady in the front row jump out her seat as she thought the ship was sounding a warning blast to another ship.

 

[midnightsun]

We’re just gonna have to get used to Sweden haters coming in here once in a while and have a meltdown over the fact that Loreen might win again.

I‘m anything but a Sweden hater. I‘ve been mostly writing nice stuff about Sweden in the past, defended them, infact I loved most of the even unpopular Sweden songs.
I just can’t with the overhype of some, acting in a way that disrespects other artists.
And I surely don’t have a meltdown if Loreen‘s winning. It has nothing to do with Loreen; it’s about the stans who are disrespectful. Everyone is entitled to write their opinion, may it good or bad, but please don’t act as if Loreen is a superior race and all other artists are batshit.

Guess we just have to get used to the oversensitive Swedes who always think it’s about Sweden-hate! Nobody has anything against your country - chill!