Split Jury/Tele Votes

[lucian-crusher]

+ Greece and Russia

No! They tried it this year, now they will take a break! I think it's our turn next year

 

[alca]

I can't believe Dana would have missed the final for only one point in the televoting! I'd DIE!!!!!!!! But overall the results were really weird! Kick the juries out please!

 

[lucian-crusher]

I agree. The bland pop songs with cheesy lyrics and predictable melodies score high and anything that's a little bit more complex received medium to low points. I clearly agree with the jury votes and if we had to get rid of something it would have to be the televotes. But I like the fair and even field now so I'm very happy with everything!

IMO is a masterpiece comparing to

And really, is the Danish song quality? If I come next year with a plagiarism from the Italian song will I win the juries. I mean, come on, no mather how good the song is you can't give high points to plagiarism....

 

[doctormalisimo]

did better with the juries than the televotes? I didn't see that one coming. Before the semis I thought the juries were going to bump us out of the final.
And the came 5th with the televote?!? My Heart Is Yours would be proud.
Overall I'm happy with the televote/jury split. They stopped and from qualifying and got and to the final. And the juries out us 6th

 

[r3gg13]

I agree with Strupberry, I also think that the juries' votes reflect the overall quality of the songs rather than just the catchiness or the tricks of the songs.

Italy's song deserved every single jury points that they got, they were spectacular not only in the rehearsals but also during the final.

Also, how did they calculate the final score, do they just add it and then divide it by 2?

 

[Matt]

Also, how did they calculate the final score, do they just add it and then divide it by 2?

They just add it up and rank them accordingly

In case of a tie, the televote takes priority

 

[lucian-crusher]

Also, how did they calculate the final score, do they just add it and then divide it by 2?

No! They calculate them by countries! They add-up the jury votes from a particular country with the televoting votes from that country and then they make a Top 10 that goes as that countries votes. In case of a tie the country with more points in the televoting gets the higher ranking!

 

[r3gg13]

They just add it up and rank them accordingly

In case of a tie, the televote takes priority

It's just that when I add the jury score and the televotings score and divide it by two to get the combined score, I get something different.

For instance, for Italy, the posted combined points was 189, but when I did the math, (251+99)/2 it came out as 175.

So, I was wondering if they had a different method

 

[Matt]

It's just that when I add the jury score and the televotings score and divide it by two to get the combined score, I get something different.

For instance, for Italy, the posted combined points was 189, but when I did the math, (251+99)/2 it came out as 175.

So, I was wondering if they had a different method

No, it's all done individually for each country, not the final score.

 

[r3gg13]

No, it's all done individually for each country, not the final score.

Gotcha

 

[Quent91]

I'm just happy with the overall scores. The juries were brought back for some reasons, and they did their job well. Pulling up some countries that deserved more to qualify and sinking others that were just cheesy and not amusing. Good job. And of course, I don't see any sabotage or whatever. It's a quite fair results.








I just don't get why France got low points with them, btw...

 

[r3gg13]

I just don't get why France got low points with them, btw...

He didn't sound that great, even though the song was superb . Sad to say, but he just didn't deliver the same way that we had hoped

 

[Quent91]

He didn't sound that great, even though the song was superb . Sad to say, but he just didn't deliver the same way that we had hoped

I mean, from the juries. he was perfect on that rehearsal...

 

[r3gg13]

I mean, from the juries. he was perfect on that rehearsal...

Hmm... makes us wonder :/. Well, he still got a good amount of points

 

[deese]

^ No, he wasn't. He is a tenor after all ( and the expectations from an opera singer are higher), but all his performance was
1. lifeless
2. he was out of tune, thus he managed to destroy such an amazing song.

 

[Quent91]

^ No, he wasn't. He is a tenor after all ( and the expectations from an opera singer are higher), but all his performance was
1. lifeless
2. he was out tune, thus he managed to destroy such an amazing song.

not on the juries rehearsal but on the final, yes :?

 

[Matt]

It's possible the juries just didn't think it was that great of a song. While I thought France had one of the best songs that doesn't mean the jury HAS to give high points just because he is an opera singer. The synthesized music may have turned them off a little bit.

 

[Misi]

There's no perfect solution for this.
Still, I find the jury votes much more fair than the televote. And less predictable which makes it even more fun!
I think a professional can really know when a song is good when they first hear it. If not, then they will correct their mistakes in the final (like they did this year with Ireland).
The jury punished weak songs (UK), corrected their mistakes from the semifinal concerning dull ballads (Lithuania and Finland scored low in the final, but on the other side Austria was high which I still can't understand why). I'm personally satisfied with Bosnia finishing 11th among jurors in the semi and this is how I wished the final outcome would be. Quality songs were appreciated (Italy, Slovenia, Serbia) - over the top performances (Russia, Spain, again UK) punished.

As for televoting, it shouldn't be discussed much cause this is what people voted for. I'm only sorry for Slovenia finishing (that) low.

 

[dogmeat]

Why do you suggest music can be objectively judged? Art in general speaks to senses and senses speak to emotions. Since everyone's emotions work a bit different, there can't be any universal equation to rate music. A "professional" is nothing more than just another person with his own subjective taste. Talking about "quality music" is etilist bs.

 

[lucian-crusher]

Why do you suggest music can be objectively judged? Art in general speaks to senses and senses speak to emotions. Since everyone's emotions work a bit different, there can't be any universal equation to rate music. A "professional" is nothing more than just another person with his own subjective taste. Talking about "quality music" is etilist bs.

That's what I said! And when I said that the Portuguesse song was not of lower or higher quality then the Italian song I got the answer that no, quality is quality and non-quality is non-quality". No one can convince me that ,,Madnes of love" is a more quality or a less quality song ,,Luta e alegria". There are different people with different tastes and there is only music, not good music or bad music, just music!