SERBIA 2012 - Željko Joksimović - Nije ljubav stvar

[A-lister]

Someone above mentioned Nina and the fact that she managed to score 102 pts with the jury and only 42 with the televoters. Now, she sang in Serbian, but the fact is that the song she sang ("Čaroban") had nothing to do with typical Balkan stuff that causes ex-Yu diaspora to break glasses and cut their wrists. That's why Dino Merlin did so much better in spite the fact that he sang in English. When it comes to block voting and diaspora, language is not that important. If it's a popular singer and music is heavily influenced by local musical heritage, he or she is going to score high.

This is also a good point!

Nina's song really had nothing to do with "Serbia", eventhough it was in Serbian.

 

[AlekS]

This is also a good point!

Nina's song really had nothing to do with "Serbia", eventhough it was in Serbian.

Actually this point fails because we were talking about biasism. No need to "forget" out of sudden what you said.

 

[A-lister]

Zctually this point fails because we were talking about biasism. No need to "forget" out of sudden what you said.

I didn't forget what I said, but he really does have a point. A Serbian song in Serbian but without any "Serbian sound" is probably not as attractive to diaspora voters as a more local sounding entry which reminds them of "home" (or what we should call it).

 

[AlekS]

Someone above mentioned Nina and the fact that she managed to score 102 pts with the jury and only 42 with the televoters. Now, she sang in Serbian, but the fact is that the song she sang ("Čaroban") had nothing to do with typical Balkan stuff that causes ex-Yu diaspora to break glasses and cut their wrists. That's why Dino Merlin did so much better in spite the fact that he sang in English. When it comes to block voting and diaspora, language is not that important. If it's a popular singer and music is heavily influenced by local musical heritage, he or she is going to score high.

I care about songs - I don't care if she had something to do with Balkans or she hadn't (I think her style was pretty obvious, wasn't it? )

However she sang in Serbian so saying:

Basically you just proved the juries English biasism right there, because back in the days juries decided the whole outcome, and they preferred English

just fails.

And yeah, I agree with you that language is not that important.
Slavic entries will benefit from Slavic voters, Scandinavian - from Scandinavian etc + being "big" in the current moment counts as well. Though all of this doesn't really matter with a sucky song.

 

[AlekS]

I didn't forget what I said, but he really does have a point.

In our discussion about biasism - no, nothing to do with that.
And I agree with his point however sometimes "local" entries appeal only to particular geographical area.

 

[qabadachia]

@AlekS

LOL, it's kinda difficult to post comments here using mobile phone. Sorry!

Anyway, the point that I was trying to make: diaspora doesn't care that much about language, as long as the song has "ethnic charm" and the singer is not some anonymous girl discovered on YouTube. I really hate doing this "DNA profiling" of diaspora televoting, but I can bet that 90% of Serbian population in Europe voted for Dino last year, because he was singing the song that... well, this will sound kinda pathetic, the song that sounded like home. And not some little blondie doing a 60's throwback.

And as for juries, I don't know. I guess I like to think that they pay more attention to some subtle details. Like, they get the translation of the lyrics, they judge the interpretation, style, song structure, arrangement...

 

[A-lister]

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@AlekS

That comment I made (which you refer to) was taking into consideration that English was favored back in the days when the juries had all say.

 

[AlekS]

@AlekS

LOL, it's kinda difficult to post comments here using mobile phone. Sorry!

Anyway, the point that I was trying to make: diaspora doesn't care that much about language, as long as the song has "ethnic charm" and the singer is not some anonymous girl discovered on YouTube. I really hate doing this "DNA profiling" of diaspora televoting, but I can bet that 90% of Serbian population in Europe voted for Dino last year, because he was singing the song that... well, this will sound kinda pathetic, the song that sounded like home. And not some little blondie doing a 60's throwback.

And as for juries, I don't know. I guess I like to think that they pay more attention to some subtle details. Like, they get the translation of the lyrics, they judge the interpretation, style, song structure, arrangement...

You're absolutely right about juries. + If they were biased against language they wouldn't prefered Nina, without them she wouldn't have qualified.
And yes, pretty predictable voting from televoters imo, I agree that they'd rather prefer something local and something good enough preferably.

 

[A-lister]

You're absolutely right about juries. + If they were biased against language they wouldn't prefered Nina, without them she wouldn't have qualified.
And yes, pretty predictable voting from televoters imo, I agree that they'd rather prefer something local and something good enough preferably.

Well, in the case of Nina they were probably happy that Serbia finally didn't bring something local sounding. Biasism is not just against languages... that's just one aspect. However that's just ONE example.

 

[AlekS]

Also: since that rule was abolished, only once has a non-English song won.

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@AlekS

That comment I made (which you refer to) was taking into consideration that English was favored back in the days when the juries had all say.

So the juries when? Now or then?
If then then I take it as your position that they aren't biased now.

 

[A-lister]

So the juries when? Now or then?
If then then I take it as your position that they aren't biased now.

A combination of now and then. I don't use one example as a proof, I look at the full picture. Also, as I've added, they can overlook the languages if the songs are totally "un-local" (Portugal 2010, Serbia 2011 for instance). There are many dimensions. The biasism is not necessarily just languages, but a sort of "Western" biasism in general.

 

[AlekS]

Well, in the case of Nina they were probably happy that Serbia finally didn't bring something local sounding. Biasism is not just against languages... that's just one aspect. However that's just ONE example.

Example of what? Biasism or Nina? Because they also prefered Italy, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Macedonia (with the last 2 being quite "local")...
And it's not only up to the juries, televoters voted for Nina in the final so the difference wasn't that big like in the semi.
Being "local" doesn't equal being a gr8 song. They judge totally different parameters than that, they even choose "local" entries in their NFs, like our own jury.

There are many dimensions. The biasism is not necessarily just languages, but a sort of "Western" biasism in general.

But you mentioned language and I refered to that, so

 

[JurianFeygen]

this one is my new favourite !!!

 

[CPV4931]

Nice desicion, Serbia :-)
Although I am an opponent of the language rule, I like it, when artists sing in their native langage.

 

[Rasho]

I don't really like it, might be my combined eternal hatred towards both Željko and Coldplay
But I'm looking forward to a new ESC in Belgrade Arena next year

 

[QwaarJet]

Anyone else beginning to love this? I now put it as the second best ballad behind Spain. The last minute is particular is class.

 

[Grinch]

It's growing on me with every listen! I'm sooo loving this right now

 

[lamandza]

this one is my new favourite !!!

mine too ((: xwoo

 

[Simon87]

Video is not available anymore, you should put new one

 

[mona]

Wonderful song Serbia. Greetings from Romania!